snucks Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 The plus minus stat doesn't seem right for Edler. In several recent games he was on the ice for almost all the goals against. He does contribute to the offense though. He does seem lost when the play gets down close to his goalie. Often he is caught watching the puck, just standing nearby watching. Oh well this site has him listed at -2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainKool Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 We have nothing to discuss about this? If he plays well, we believe he is +100. But, if he plays poorly, then no matter he was on the ice or not, CDC believe he deserved to be -100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer. Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 33 minutes ago, snucks said: The plus minus stat doesn't seem right for Edler. In several recent games he was on the ice for almost all the goals against. He does contribute to the offense though. He does seem lost when the play gets down close to his goalie. Often he is caught watching the puck, just standing nearby watching. Oh well this site has him listed at -2. Oh I was confused. I came here to see what you had to say about +/- and I stumbled into an Edler bashing thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoted Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 annoying when statistics don't back up your perceptions.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamth Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 the + - will get fixed once u start seeing us Win more games , and we beat Teams like Dallas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 1 hour ago, RonMexico said: Oh I was confused. I came here to see what you had to say about +/- and I stumbled into an Edler bashing thread. When Edler can get within 100 of Bobby Orr's PLUS 124 for one season, I'll call him a star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 When you are on the ice for half of every game, you are going to be on for goals against. And for. Considering he is on as the main shutdown pair, and the entire team has been snake bitten for most games, -2 indicates he is actually a pretty damn good defenseman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 On 12/24/2015 at 4:19 PM, Quoted said: annoying when statistics don't back up your perceptions.... Yes. All too often people see what they want to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersexual Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 What is Ryan Miller's +/- ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlie Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 27 minutes ago, Baggins said: Yes. All too often people see what they want to see. yeah ... Hutton, the wonder boy at - 6, and Hamhuis, who can't get healthy soon enough for some who want him traded, is + 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 On 24 December 2015 at 1:22 AM, Alflives said: When Edler can get within 100 of Bobby Orr's PLUS 124 for one season, I'll call him a star. You are not really under the impression the game was the same then are you Alf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 3 hours ago, Googlie said: yeah ... Hutton, the wonder boy at - 6, and Hamhuis, who can't get healthy soon enough for some who want him traded, is + 7 I am a huge fan of Hutton. That said, has anyone else noticed an annoying flaw has crept into his game? He is too easily passed on the inside and it has been leading to some real mayhem. Lidster needs to sort this out, he needs to be shown how to keep opponents down the outside and onto the boards. Strangely, I don't recall this problem in his first 10 or so games, so it may have something to do with fatigue (we have tended to take his excellent play for granted) but if he doesn't sort it I fear he might lose his place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 4 hours ago, Googlie said: yeah ... Hutton, the wonder boy at - 6, and Hamhuis, who can't get healthy soon enough for some who want him traded, is + 7 Yeah isn't that strange, shutdown guys get no respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N7Nucks Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 I thought we all decided +/- was a useless stat because everyone "accidentally" steps on the ice at the wrong time. I guess it's usefullness only takes place when it's convenient for certain narratives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersexual Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 38 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: I thought we all decided +/- was a useless stat because everyone "accidentally" steps on the ice at the wrong time. I guess it's usefullness only takes place when it's convenient for certain narratives. If you can accidentally step on the ice, you can accidentally step off the ice so it should even out at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N7Nucks Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 2 hours ago, homersexual said: If you can accidentally step on the ice, you can accidentally step off the ice so it should even out at some point. Yeah I was being facetious because some people make it seem like only time people get a minus is during a line change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoted Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 50 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: Yeah I was being facetious because some people make it seem like only time people get a minus is during a line change. but yes, +/- , especially over shorter periods, isn't the ultimate measure of a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 9 hours ago, alfstonker said: You are not really under the impression the game was the same then are you Alf? Games evolve, but plus/minus is a good indication of how dominant a player was during his era. Nic Lidstrom was always a top plus player, until the end of his career. The leagues truly best players dominate plus/minus. IMHAO. Plus 124 shows how great Orr was during that era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nave Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 12 hours ago, Googlie said: yeah ... Hutton, the wonder boy at - 6, and Hamhuis, who can't get healthy soon enough for some who want him traded, is + 7 Yeah Hamhuis has had a disappointing year but he's played really well some games. It's unfair those few gaffes stand out so much cause he's always been our best shutdown defenseman. Although, to be fair, Hutton has solidified our pp a lot, and should be kept on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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