DeNiro Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 6 minutes ago, Alflives said: What about Montreal moves up to four to take Dubois, and Phoenix moves up to five to take Tkatchuk? I think you might have something here DeNiro. Both us and Edmonton really need D, so this could happen. I think it's most likely that Tkachuk is taken at 4. His hype is just continuing to go up in the Memorial Cup. So if Montreal was willing to make a big offer like Juulsen, Thrower, and #9, I think that would benefit us more in the long run. We would be able to fill out our D prospect depth in one draft essentially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 32 minutes ago, DeNiro said: I think it's most likely that Tkachuk is taken at 4. His hype is just continuing to go up in the Memorial Cup. So if Montreal was willing to make a big offer like Juulsen, Thrower, and #9, I think that would benefit us more in the long run. We would be able to fill out our D prospect depth in one draft essentially. You made this old man smile with hope. I would love to see that occur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 3 hours ago, DeNiro said: I think it's most likely that Tkachuk is taken at 4. His hype is just continuing to go up in the Memorial Cup. So if Montreal was willing to make a big offer like Juulsen, Thrower, and #9, I think that would benefit us more in the long run. We would be able to fill out our D prospect depth in one draft essentially. I don't know.........this is a legitimate chance at drafting a star. I don't see anything that isn't weighed heavily in Vans favour as being worth it and I don't see an offer like that as even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 3 hours ago, DeNiro said: I think it's most likely that Tkachuk is taken at 4. His hype is just continuing to go up in the Memorial Cup. So if Montreal was willing to make a big offer like Juulsen, Thrower, and #9, I think that would benefit us more in the long run. We would be able to fill out our D prospect depth in one draft essentially. I agree that if the Oilers take Tkachuk it changes things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 5 minutes ago, stawns said: I don't know.........this is a legitimate chance at drafting a star. I don't see anything that isn't weighed heavily in Vans favour as being worth it and I don't see an offer like that as even close. Adding Sergachyev, Chychrun, or Fabbro (all potential top pairing guys), Juulsen (top 4 guy), and Thrower (top 6 guy) to our prospect pool isn't worth it? I would say that goes alot further in filling out the future roster than a top 6 left winger would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 5 hours ago, DeNiro said: I don't know why I keep having second thoughts about Dubois. something just screams average second line player to me. I guess i was hoping for guaranteed first line talent in this years draft, but that likely won't be there when we pick. Maybe we should be trading back for a D-man if Tkachuk is gone. There's lots of second guessing about both PLD and MT lately....Tkachuk's skating (or lack thereof)..PLD plays in the Q(so he's more likely to be a bust)....etc. The Dmen are probably more of a risk ....IMO...None of them are considered 1st pairing (according to Benning)..You could just as easily wind up with a player like Luca Sbisa (who was a highly touted junior, and was picked in the 1st round),who is serviceable....but would be a rotten consolation after finishing 28th,and losing the lottery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 19 hours ago, DeNiro said: Adding Sergachyev, Chychrun, or Fabbro (all potential top pairing guys), Juulsen (top 4 guy), and Thrower (top 6 guy) to our prospect pool isn't worth it? I would say that goes alot further in filling out the future roster than a top 6 left winger would. depends on what JB projects for Dubois (assuming Tkachuk is gone). If he feels he's going to be a top line player, no way he trades for that. If he doesn't feel that way, then it's a possibility.......though there's no way Sergachev is there at the Habs pick, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wshdrvvn Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Anyone else think the added exposure Tkachuk got at the Mem Cup is just enough to put him over Dubois? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 3 hours ago, wshdrvvn said: Anyone else think the added exposure Tkachuk got at the Mem Cup is just enough to put him over Dubois? Tkachuk was always going to go ahead of Dubois regardless of the memorial cup IMO. He already had the hype of the Tkachuk name, he has the exposure of playing on the best team in junior, and he plays a style of game that every team covets. If Benning is high on him you better believe Chiarelli is too. The only way Tkachuk doesn't get chosen at number 4 is if a team trades for the Oilers pick in order to draft Dubois. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 my guess is Tkachuk or Chucyrun lol. Dubbie is an ilusion!!!! Maybe also long shot of Brown or Keller :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.53 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 It really doesn't matter for us honestly who is better. Edmonton will be taking the one they want, and we will get the leftover. The fortunate part in this case is the leftover is pretty much just as good as the other, either way you look at it. If we had gotten the 6th pick, then it would suck, but these two players are so close, whichever one the Oilers don't take, we will gladly take. That being said, I feel like EDM will take Tkatchuk. McDavid and Draisaitl are pretty much locks to be their 1-2 top 6 center combo in the near and lengthy future. RNH adds extra scoring depth but could easily have to move to wing or be traded. But Edmonton has been looking for a rugged top 6 player with offensive upside to play on the wing of one of their centers... That is exactly what Tkatchuk is, and he has experience in tough pressure minutes, and playing with high skilled players. Replace Marner and Dvorak with McDavid and RNH, and watch him flourish. Edmonton's core group going forward Hall - McDavid - Eberle Tkatchuk - Draisaitl - RNH? That is a solid looking group for them. It looks enticing. Dubois for us works better anyway in my opinino. He has a complete all around game, and can be the piece to bounce off of Bo Horvat for our future top 6 combo. It may take a while to get there, but if anyone ever believed that Jared McCann had 1c combo, just wait until you get a load of Dubois. He replaces Jared McCann nicely, which is one reason I was never too mad about the trade. There's only so much space for youth on a team at any given time. Also, with the signing of Troy Stecher, people shouldn't be worried abou that second round pick that we lost. Stecher has come a long way. If we had a second round pick turn out to have the success Stecher did at College we would be ecstatic. He gives us the flexibility to lose that pick. But anyway, Dubois will be a player that bounces off Bo very well. Either going double center combo, or potentially joining him on his wing. (Something we weren't sure McCann could do effectively. At least not yet. Not all players can swap to the wing and back) Dubois, Stecher, Subban, Boeser, and dare I say it, Demko, are all getting very close to NHL ready. I predict a season for each of them, minus Demko, and they will be ready to go. Our future core Forwards: Horvat, Virtanen, Boeser, Baertschi, Dubois, Granlund/Etem? (6 guys with legitimate top 6 potential) Defence: Hutton, Tryamkin, Subban, Stecher? (4 diverse style players with legitimate top 4 potential) Goalie: Demko (Starting goaltender, maybe all star) One thing is pretty much for sure, and evidenced by Benning relinquishing McCanna and picks. Our youth movement is pretty much done after this pick of Tkatchuk or Dubois. Yes we will continue to get picks and develop prospects, but right here above by all means looks to be like the future core of this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Who was the last CHL top prospect to come out of the Q, who's name started with D? That's right, and that's scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 18 minutes ago, Alflives said: Who was the last CHL top prospect to come out of the Q, who's name started with D? That's right, and that's scary. I see him being more comparable to Sean Couturier. Solid player, but not the franchise player you would hope for with a top 5 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 1 hour ago, DeNiro said: Tkachuk was always going to go ahead of Dubois regardless of the memorial cup IMO. He already had the hype of the Tkachuk name, he has the exposure of playing on the best team in junior, and he plays a style of game that every team covets. If Benning is high on him you better believe Chiarelli is too. The only way Tkachuk doesn't get chosen at number 4 is if a team trades for the Oilers pick in order to draft Dubois. I'm stilling wondering if there's a chance the Jackets take Tkachuk at 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 8 minutes ago, aliboy said: I'm stilling wondering if there's a chance the Jackets take Tkachuk at 3. I dunno, they're already pretty deep on the left side even though Tkachuk fits the team they're building pretty well. Columbus is a team that needs NHL ready players now and Pullujarvi is the most NHL ready between the two. I think it's more likely they trade the pick than pass on Pullujarvi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 6 hours ago, DeNiro said: I dunno, they're already pretty deep on the left side even though Tkachuk fits the team they're building pretty well. Columbus is a team that needs NHL ready players now and Pullujarvi is the most NHL ready between the two. I think it's more likely they trade the pick than pass on Pullujarvi. Not to mention a Finnish GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckledraggin Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 On 5/13/2016 at 11:17 PM, -Vintage Canuck- said: The poll is closer than what I thought it would be. And it's going to be a disappointment to alot of people when it happens. It sucks getting sloppy 2nds after losing the top 3, but Dubois and Tkachuk are both homerun picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 4 minutes ago, canuckledraggin said: And it's going to be a disappointment to alot of people when it happens. It sucks getting sloppy 2nds after losing the top 3, but Dubois and Tkachuk are both homerun picks. Agreed. I like the situation we're in at #5, it's basically Dubois or Tkachuk, whichever the Oilers don't draft, we pick the other. If we were at #4, and the player we drafted didn't pan out as we had expected, then the reaction would be worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 55 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Agreed. I like the situation we're in at #5, it's basically Dubois or Tkachuk, whichever the Oilers don't draft, we pick the other. If we were at #4, and the player we drafted didn't pan out as we had expected, then the reaction would be worse. I guarantee people will still complain if Juolevi, Nylander, or Chychrun turn out better. I still wouldn't rule out Benning trading back for Jost though. He's hard to ignore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 3 hours ago, DeNiro said: I guarantee people will still complain if Juolevi, Nylander, or Chychrun turn out better. I still wouldn't rule out Benning trading back for Jost though. He's hard to ignore. If we traded down and got some picks and prospects and left the draft with Jost I would be stoked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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