SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 20:47 TOI for Juolevi today in a 6-5 win. TPS leads the series 2-0. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: You know who else was full of potential, small and struggled with his defensive game? Jordan Subban. People need to stop making this comparison as though it's remotely an intelligent one. That's like saying that an 80's Chevrolet Sprint and a Lotus Elise or Ariel Atom are basically the same cars because they're all light and small. Never mind that a guy like Boqvist is already taller and not much lighter than 23 year old Subban AT 17 YEARS OLD. Edited March 22, 2018 by aGENT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Just now, aGENT said: People need to stop making this comparison as though it's remotely an intelligent one. That's like saying that both an 80's Chevrolet Sprint and a Lotus Elise or Ariel Atom are basically the same cars because they're all light and small. Obviously that chev would blow the doors off that overpriced neon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 minute ago, aGENT said: People need to stop making this comparison as though it's remotely an intelligent one. That's like saying that both an 80's Chevrolet Sprint and a Lotus Elise or Ariel Atom are basically the same cars because they're all light and small. Never mind that a guy like Boqvist is already taller and not much lighter than 23 year old Subban AT 17 YEARS OLD. Isn’t Boquist almost the age for next year’s draft. I heard that Tkatchuk, who Button moved up to second pick, is one day in age from last year’s group. That makes Tkatchuk pretty much a full year older than Boquist, right? That year of development can make a BIG difference at 17/18. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, aGENT said: People need to stop making this comparison as though it's remotely an intelligent one. That's like saying that an 80's Chevrolet Sprint and a Lotus Elise or Ariel Atom are basically the same cars because they're all light and small. Never mind that a guy like Boqvist is already taller and not much lighter than 23 year old Subban AT 17 YEARS OLD. Oh yeah, it's just like comparing those two cars. (not) All I'm saying is that these two smallish kids will take more time to develop and play (effectively) in the NHL. How good is Boqvist defensively? That's why Subban is not in the NHL, in addition to his lack of size for a D. I'm sure Boqvist is loaded with offensive talent, like Subban, but unless he can play high level D... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 16 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: 20:47 TOI for Juolevi today in a 6-5 win. TPS leads the series 2-0. I thought, once again, he looked solid, calm and quite physical when needed. Tallinder had a better game too which I am sure helped the cause. TPS looks like they could take this series this must be great experience for the young guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 minute ago, NUCKER67 said: Oh yeah, it's just like comparing those two cars. (not) All I'm saying is that these two smallish kids will take more time to develop and play (effectively) in the NHL. How good is Boqvist defensively? That's why Subban is not in the NHL, in addition to his lack of size for a D. I'm sure Boqvist is loaded with offensive talent, like Subban, but unless he can play high level D... Subban’s offense was not good enough to outweigh his defensive liabilities. Boquist will definitely have defensive issues. Will his offence outweigh that? He’s really young, so he might get bigger. I wonder if Boquist falls like Liljegren? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 19 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: 20:47 TOI for Juolevi today in a 6-5 win. TPS leads the series 2-0. How was he on the +/- with that high scoring game. Ryan biech tweeted he was having a rough 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 minute ago, NUCKER67 said: Oh yeah, it's just like comparing those two cars. (not) All I'm saying is that these two smallish kids will take more time to develop and play (effectively) in the NHL. How good is Boqvist defensively? That's why Subban is not in the NHL, in addition to his lack of size for a D. I'm sure Boqvist is loaded with offensive talent, like Subban, but unless he can play high level D... One was a 4th round pick for a reason. The other is ranked roughly 4th overall in a deep draft for a reason. Boqvist is probably almost in par defensively AT 17 as Subban is now. And he's taller and not much lighter. It's a completely asinine premise/argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Just now, Rush17 said: How was he on the +/- with that high scoring game. Ryan biech tweeted he was having a rough 2nd. I know +/- isn't everything. But it can be a decent indicator. Just curious if he was average. Above average. If he's gonna stay on the top pairing etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Rush17 said: How was he on the +/- with that high scoring game. Ryan biech tweeted he was having a rough 2nd. I think minus 1. He was on ice for the first couple goals against but also for a 5v5 goal for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, aGENT said: One was a 4th round pick for a reason. The other is ranked roughly 4th overall in a deep draft for a reason. Boqvist is probably almost in par defensively AT 17 as Subban is now. And he's taller and not much lighter. It's a completely asinine premise/argument. I'm really not sure why Subban was drafted late. Maybe his size scared GMs 5 years ago, when teams were trying to get bigger. It's not really an argument. Boqvist is a good skater, with a good shot and provides offence, but he isn't great defensively. He'll need to develop that part of his game. That, in addition to translating his game to smaller ice, will take time. Whereas I think Bouchard plays in the NHL as soon as next year, or maybe 2019/20. Edited March 22, 2018 by NUCKER67 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 31 minutes ago, Rush17 said: How was he on the +/- with that high scoring game. Ryan biech tweeted he was having a rough 2nd. Very odd, I thought he played better in the 2nd than the 1st (?). Third he looked really solid. Ryan may think/say that as Turku was on their heels much of the 2nd but it was more the forwards were too far separated and they couldn't get puck out for long periods of time. They were outshot in that period 12-6. He and Tallinder ended up -1. They were matched up against the top SaiPa line most of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: I'm really not sure why Subban was drafted late. Maybe his size scared GMs 5 years ago, when teams were trying to get bigger. It's not really an argument. Boqvist is a good skater, with a good shot and provides offence, but he isn't great defensively. He'll need to develop that part of his game. That, in addition to translating his game to smaller ice, will take time. Whereas I think Bouchard plays in the NHL as soon as next year, or maybe 2019/20. Likely because it is far from certain then or even now if he will be an NHL player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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R.Dahlin26 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 His skating has regressed so much since he was drafted, it's going to cause big-time problems if he ever makes it. In the Finnish league, nobody's just make him look like a pylon skating around him, he can't do anything because of how bad his backward skating is. He very rarely carries the puck up ice which is disappointing. There was one play in OT in game 1 where he tried to carry the puck, had the easy pass to his left winger but completely bobbled the puck and shot it into the bench. The commentators couldn't stop laughing. Looks like he has very low confidence when he plays. Since he was drafted to now, he has lost almost all his dynamic qualities and has turned into a bland, safe, slow d-man who's best quality is making a good stretch pass with no pressure to his forward. Then you hear Salo and how he still has work to do with conditioning it's very concerning. The NHL is, even more, faster, much more intense, with more skilled players. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, NUCKER67 said: I'm really not sure why Subban was drafted late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rob_Zepp Posted March 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2018 38 minutes ago, R.Dahlin26 said: His skating has regressed so much since he was drafted, it's going to cause big-time problems if he ever makes it. In the Finnish league, nobody's just make him look like a pylon skating around him, he can't do anything because of how bad his backward skating is. He very rarely carries the puck up ice which is disappointing. There was one play in OT in game 1 where he tried to carry the puck, had the easy pass to his left winger but completely bobbled the puck and shot it into the bench. The commentators couldn't stop laughing. Looks like he has very low confidence when he plays. Since he was drafted to now, he has lost almost all his dynamic qualities and has turned into a bland, safe, slow d-man who's best quality is making a good stretch pass with no pressure to his forward. Then you hear Salo and how he still has work to do with conditioning it's very concerning. The NHL is, even more, faster, much more intense, with more skilled players. What?! Did you watch the WJC? I am assuming you didn't and also have not been able to watch TPS because his skating this year has been more than fine. The Finnish league is arguably faster than most any out there - pace can be frenetic and looks poised and if beaten, it isn't because of foot speed it is more as he is learning reads and makes the wrong "turn" at times. When he joins the rush he is "right there" and gets back without much concern almost every time. He carries the puck quite a lot - again, do you watch games? The TPS "style" is a "center come back" break out so they do pass more than otherwise but he lags the puck a ton and if you watch many of his assists/goals from year, they have come after his rushing with it right into the offensive zone from his zone (and often from behind the net). No, he isn't Paul Coffey but don't think many are. He is learning the pro game - part of that learning, and what Salo preaches, is to have some "boring, bland and safe" part to the D game. He is giving Ollie rope and you can see it in the ice time he gets. I don't know if you are trolling or just don't like the player but at least be remotely factual. The kid is a stud. His body is NHL ready, his speed is just fine and if he can learn the D game just a bit more he is NHL ready and that may be this coming fall. He is 19. He has all the tools. Wow. Just wow. 2 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Evidently the coach is incompetent and should be fired for giving this bust of a slug 20+min/game. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe-max Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 48 minutes ago, R.Dahlin26 said: His skating has regressed so much since he was drafted, it's going to cause big-time problems if he ever makes it. In the Finnish league, nobody's just make him look like a pylon skating around him, he can't do anything because of how bad his backward skating is. He very rarely carries the puck up ice which is disappointing. There was one play in OT in game 1 where he tried to carry the puck, had the easy pass to his left winger but completely bobbled the puck and shot it into the bench. The commentators couldn't stop laughing. Looks like he has very low confidence when he plays. Since he was drafted to now, he has lost almost all his dynamic qualities and has turned into a bland, safe, slow d-man who's best quality is making a good stretch pass with no pressure to his forward. Then you hear Salo and how he still has work to do with conditioning it's very concerning. The NHL is, even more, faster, much more intense, with more skilled players. I can't comment on the backward skating, but I noticed a few times that he is definitely able turn on the burners, usually to get back into position after he had pushed play and they lost the puck. Actually I thought his first few (forward) steps were quick and effortless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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