ItsMillerTime Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Nikita Kucherov is a restricted free agent as of now. He could be traded if they don't get him signed in time. Now people say they don't know the direction of Vancouver Canucks. If Canucks did get Kucherov could they be a playoff contender? LW C RW LD RD D.Sedin H.Sedin Kucherov Edler Tanev Eriksson Horvat Hansen Hutton Gudbranson Baertschi Sutter Rodin/Etem/Virtanen/Burrows Tryamkin Sbisa/Larsen 4th line could contain Rodin, Etem, Virtanen, Gaunce Granlund, Dorsett. You can do the lines how ever you want but you have to admit the top 2 lines are very contender worthy. But this is if they get Nikita Kucherov. He is young and a scorer. I do think Canucks should go all in on this guy. Also I'm justing saying if they don't give up a roster player. Please tell me what you think about the lineups and if Canucks could be a contender again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Just now, ItsMillerTime said: Nikita Kucherov is a restricted free agent as of now. He could be traded if they don't get him signed in time. Now people say they don't know the direction of Vancouver Canucks. If Canucks did get Kucherov could they be a playoff contender? LW C RW LD RD D.Sedin H.Sedin Kucherov Edler Tanev Eriksson Horvat Hansen Hutton Gudbranson Baertschi Sutter Rodin/Etem/Virtanen/Burrows Tryamkin Sbisa/Larsen 4th line could contain Rodin, Etem, Virtanen, Gaunce Granlund, Dorsett. You can do the lines how ever you want but you have to admit the top 2 lines are very contender worthy. But this is if they get Nikita Kucherov. He is young and a scorer. I do think Canucks should go all in on this guy. Also I'm justing saying if they don't give up a roster player. Please tell me what you think about the lineups and if Canucks could be a contender again. Yes, but exactly how do we get him? What's the cost, and is he worth it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsMillerTime Posted September 8, 2016 Author Share Posted September 8, 2016 Just now, Alflives said: Yes, but exactly how do we get him? What's the cost, and is he worth it? Ok well its hard to judge the cost of a player but I'm going to compare a trade what happened a while ago. The Bobby Ryan trade. They both put up the same amount of numbers at the time. Ottawa gave up a 1st promising prospect Jacob Silfverberg and 1st rounder Steven Noeson. Boeser, Virtanen and a 1st? This is me just trying to compare it. There is a lot of trades what could work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Just now, ItsMillerTime said: Ok well its hard to judge the cost of a player but I'm going to compare a trade what happened a while ago. The Bobby Ryan trade. They both put up the same amount of numbers at the time. Ottawa gave up a 1st promising prospect Jacob Silfverberg and 1st rounder Steven Noeson. Boeser, Virtanen and a 1st? This is me just trying to compare it. There is a lot of trades what could work. And you think we should really give up those pieces for Kuchurov? Hmmm. I keep our young developing players, and let TBay keep theirs. If we trade any players, they should be from the older group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 As a good of a player Nikita Kucherov is, it simply isn't worth trading for him and giving up at least two key pieces of the future. Lightning are trying hard to re-sign Kucherov and I don't see one of the best young forwards in the league getting traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman64 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Not even interested at this point... why? believe it or not, i believe the "looking for a proven scorer at left wing" is a BIT of a ploy to get under the skin of Baer and Rodin that Benning might have had a bit of something to do with. Competition brings out the next level in players and that might be very well the case. My bet is that Rodin will beat out Baer but that's just a educated guess... I believe Rodin has more skill and all around gane than Baer... Will his game adjust quickly to the nhl speed game soon enough? who knows, we can only hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bur14Kes17 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 9 minutes ago, ItsMillerTime said: Ok well its hard to judge the cost of a player but I'm going to compare a trade what happened a while ago. The Bobby Ryan trade. They both put up the same amount of numbers at the time. Ottawa gave up a 1st promising prospect Jacob Silfverberg and 1st rounder Steven Noeson. Boeser, Virtanen and a 1st? This is me just trying to compare it. There is a lot of trades what could work. If the cost is Boeser Virtanen and a 1st there's no way we should do that deal. Boeser alone may end up being as good as Kucherov and Virtanen really seems like he's put on the work this summer and grown up a bit. I'd do Virtanen and a 1st or Boeser and a 2nd but that's it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Kucherov is one of the best wingers in the world not to mention a beast in the playoffs. The cost will be prohibitively expensive. Canucks don't have the kind of surplus required to make a trade of that magnitude. Also Bobby Ryan is isn't a great comparable as he was and still is the lesser player in this comparison. Kucherov is far more dynamic and capable of generating much more than Ryan ever could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman64 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Just now, Bur14Kes17 said: If the cost is Boeser Virtanen and a 1st there's no way we should do that deal. Boeser alone may end up being as good as Kucherov and Virtanen really seems like he's put on the work this summer and grown up a bit. I'd do Virtanen and a 1st or Boeser and a 2nd but that's it Meh why bother? Virtanen is getting there slowly but surely (we need a true power forward) and Boeser has top 6 sniper written all over him... plus next season we have a big chunk of bling coming from Miller's contract expiry. So i doubt we have much to worry about anyway... I just hope we come out ok from the vegas draft... that will bother me until it's doneand over with. The league is badly out of whack concerning the number of players that can be protected, can set teams back years! especially us and that's the LAST thing we need now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 28 minutes ago, ItsMillerTime said: Ok well its hard to judge the cost of a player but I'm going to compare a trade what happened a while ago. The Bobby Ryan trade. They both put up the same amount of numbers at the time. Ottawa gave up a 1st promising prospect Jacob Silfverberg and 1st rounder Steven Noeson. Boeser, Virtanen and a 1st? This is me just trying to compare it. There is a lot of trades what could work. I agree that Kucherov will make us a lot stronger. But Boeser, Virtanen, and 1st? I guess that would get Yzerman to think hard but from our standpoint, we are mortgaging way too much of our future. I think the most we should give up is two of the three plus another asset? Boeser at this point is touted higher than some of the players drafted in the top 10 in his draft year (obviously aside from McDavid and Eichel) and some think that he would have gone in the top 5 had he entered the draft this year. I would hate to trade him away. I would go as far as, Virtanen + 1st (Canucks choose between 2016 or 2017) + a roster player (maybe Baertschi since Kucherov can take Baertschi's spot on 2LW). Sedin-Sedin-Eriksson Kuchrov-Horvat-Rodin Burrows-Sutter-Hansen Gaunce-Granlund-Etem Dorsett Edler-Tanev Hutton-Gudbranson Sbisa-Larsen Tryamkin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck-lifer Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Just don't see Tampa letting him go. 6.5 - 7.0 M would still get them under the cap if they trade Garrison to us for a 2nd rounder. uh, wait a minute..... this sounds familiar.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where'd Luongo? Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 18 minutes ago, khay said: I agree that Kucherov will make us a lot stronger. But Boeser, Virtanen, and 1st? I guess that would get Yzerman to think hard but from our standpoint, we are mortgaging way too much of our future. I think the most we should give up is two of the three plus another asset? Boeser at this point is touted higher than some of the players drafted in the top 10 in his draft year (obviously aside from McDavid and Eichel) and some think that he would have gone in the top 5 had he entered the draft this year. I would hate to trade him away. I would go as far as, Virtanen + 1st (Canucks choose between 2016 or 2017) + a roster player (maybe Baertschi since Kucherov can take Baertschi's spot on 2LW). Sedin-Sedin-Eriksson Kuchrov-Horvat-Rodin Burrows-Sutter-Hansen Gaunce-Granlund-Etem Dorsett Edler-Tanev Hutton-Gudbranson Sbisa-Larsen Tryamkin I bet he'd do it for Horvat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Kucherov would be an awesome addition. But the cost would be steep, easily 1 of Virtanen or Boeser is in the deal, plus a 1st and someone like Hansen who is a good bang for the buck going back the other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 That defense and bottom six is mediocre. It'd be far fetched to call it worthy of a bubble team. We'd have a shiny top six and that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dura_mater Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 1 hour ago, iceman64 said: Meh why bother? Virtanen is getting there slowly but surely (we need a true power forward) and Boeser has top 6 sniper written all over him... plus next season we have a big chunk of bling coming from Miller's contract expiry. So i doubt we have much to worry about anyway... I just hope we come out ok from the vegas draft... that will bother me until it's doneand over with. The league is badly out of whack concerning the number of players that can be protected, can set teams back years! especially us and that's the LAST thing we need now... Are you serious? Take a look at generalfanager.com they have a tool you can use for every team to see whom you can protect. Las Vegas is gonna be a crappy team for a couple years, most teams don't have much to worry about and those who do will make trades to avoid them (ie Tampa Bay - Vasilevsky and Bishop, Pittsburgh - Murray and Fleury). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB5 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 3 hours ago, ItsMillerTime said: Ok well its hard to judge the cost of a player but I'm going to compare a trade what happened a while ago. The Bobby Ryan trade. They both put up the same amount of numbers at the time. Ottawa gave up a 1st promising prospect Jacob Silfverberg and 1st rounder Steven Noeson. Boeser, Virtanen and a 1st? This is me just trying to compare it. There is a lot of trades what could work. So essentially three firsts for Kucherov. It would be cheaper to offer sheet him in that if he is offered over 5 million the cost is a first a second and a third. I don't like either option given the positive direction being shown so far by the youth of this team, I'd rather patiently wait for them to develop. Mike Milbury made a plethora of trades such as this back in his day, his infamous trades of good young developing players for non-superstar veterans was how we ended up with Bertuzzi and one of the Sedins and ultimately even Luongo and the Islanders continued to spin out for about a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 3 hours ago, Alflives said: Yes, but exactly how do we get him? What's the cost, and is he worth it? This is one player id kill to have. The underrated star player who would be our best player arguably if he came here. He's great in the playoffs. It would cost to much to trade for him though. Boeser + Virtanen? Steep price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhorvat Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 When will some realize that the canucks just cant afford to give up assets yet. We just dont have enough to make those trades. Why would we want to give up 2-3 blue chip prospects (which is what it would take) for one blue chip back? Such as the kanes,troubas,kucherov etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 I'll just be real and look at our current situation heading into the new season than to waste my time speculating on someone's desires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kokanee king Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 3 hours ago, Bur14Kes17 said: If the cost is Boeser Virtanen and a 1st there's no way we should do that deal. Boeser alone may end up being as good as Kucherov and Virtanen really seems like he's put on the work this summer and grown up a bit. I'd do Virtanen and a 1st or Boeser and a 2nd but that's it that's a crazy bad trade. not a chance. i'd do edler and some pucks i don't trust the Russians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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