Odjick29willkillyou Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, RWMc1 said: Something was bothering me about this thread. I finally realized it was the title. Approached? Sounds weird and creepy. Pssst, hey buddy. I'll trade you a Tanev for a ?... While said individual rolls down the window of their rear windowless van. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 1 hour ago, kloubek said: I don't see that happening. I think that he is legit in saying he isn't shopping him, and that he's just listening to offers. Despite his obvious reluctance to look at the deep numbers (ie: Guddy), I believe he knows full well Tanev's worth to this team and what will happen to us defensively if we lose him. I don't believe that's remotely true. And Guddy's 'deep numbers' have historically been just fine given proper context of his role, usage etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 6 minutes ago, J.R. said: I don't believe that's remotely true. And Guddy's 'deep numbers' have historically been just fine given proper context of his role, usage etc. But Gudbranson is really nothing more than a depth defenseman, barely scratching the surface as a 5-6 if you apply analytics........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Just now, PhillipBlunt said: But Gudbranson is really nothing more than a depth defenseman, barely scratching the surface as a 5-6 if you apply analytics........ *If you apply very basic analytics without any context or real understanding of how to use analytics as a tool to judge players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 24 minutes ago, J.R. said: *If you apply very basic analytics without any context or real understanding of how to use analytics as a tool to judge players. Dayummmmm! #rekt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 1 hour ago, J.R. said: I don't believe that's remotely true. And Guddy's 'deep numbers' have historically been just fine given proper context of his role, usage etc. I completely but respectfully disagree. His poor possession numbers have been gone over again and again, and it is hard to put a positive spin on them. Now, you bring up the context of his role - which is fair as he has been used in a shutdown, hitting role. So I imagine your argument is that he was put up against the best competition from the other team - which is fair. The problem is, Tanev has been too and if you compare the two, it is pretty clear who excels at the role and who does not. At least he hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 1 minute ago, kloubek said: I completely but respectfully disagree. His poor possession numbers have been gone over again and again, and it is hard to put a positive spin on them. Now, you bring up the context of his role - which is fair as he has been used in a shutdown, hitting role. So I imagine your argument is that he was put up against the best competition from the other team - which is fair. The problem is, Tanev has been too and if you compare the two, it is pretty clear who excels at the role and who does not. At least he hits. He's a big bodied, minute munching, crease clearing, stand up for your teammates, Dman. He plays the hardest minutes, so the more offencive minded guys don't have to. Look at Ekblad's last season. He took many of those minutes that Guddy played, and his numbers took a serious hit. His first two seasons the Ekblad was a plus 30 averaging 38 points. Last season he was a minus 23, and only got 21 points. Plus, he was injured more, likely due to the heavier minutes he had to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, kloubek said: I completely but respectfully disagree. His poor possession numbers have been gone over again and again, and it is hard to put a positive spin on them. Now, you bring up the context of his role - which is fair as he has been used in a shutdown, hitting role. So I imagine your argument is that he was put up against the best competition from the other team - which is fair. The problem is, Tanev has been too and if you compare the two, it is pretty clear who excels at the role and who does not. At least he hits. Who said he was better than Tanev? Who said he was even the same type of player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHitman Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 To WAS: Chris Tanev To VAN: 2018 1st Lucas Johansen Hampus Gustafsson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 20 minutes ago, J.R. said: Who said he was better than Tanev? Who said he was even the same type of player? I thought that was what you were implying when it comes to him having good "deep numbers", as I called it. I assumed you were referring to corsi, etc - which is generally what most talk about when referring to the advanced analytics. So if that is not what you were referring to, what advanced analytics numbers do you feel are actually "fine"? Or any analytics besides hitting, for that matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 12 minutes ago, kloubek said: I thought that was what you were implying when it comes to him having good "deep numbers", as I called it. I assumed you were referring to corsi, etc - which is generally what most talk about when referring to the advanced analytics. So if that is not what you were referring to, what advanced analytics numbers do you feel are actually "fine"? Or any analytics besides hitting, for that matter? Corsi et al is heavily slanted to favour offensive production. The guy who allows more offensive players to play their games by being the physical, defensive guy keeping shots and players outside, playing against better QOC, dzone starts, covering their partner etc, etc is never going to look 'good' in most advanced stats or 'hero' charts. Not recognizing that despite that, they are still VERY valuable players and a needed role on a team is where people who only (or at least primarily) look at stats (and generally without that above context) for a players value, fail. Sometimes you need a guy to look 'bad' in fancy stats to help guys who look 'good' in them, look even better. It's a boon for the team despite that one guy appearing comparatively 'poor' and precisely why guys like Gudbranson (or Sutter FWIW) are still VERY valuable to a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hortankin Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Drouin Nylander Hischier Reinhart Puljujarvi Provorov Sergachev + pick If we're trading Tanev I'd want a blue chip prospect such as one of these guys coming back. Call them up and see who bites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabychStache Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 7 hours ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: I like Bear Cheese as well, but he has yet to find the consistency that surefire top 6 players need. He'll light it up and get 11 points in 9 games, then go ice cold and get 2 points in the next 12 games. He arguably getting to the age where he could be hitting his ceiling. If he could just find a way to make those cold stretches of his a little less cold....say, 5 points in 12 games instead of 2, then he'd be golden. Good points, Last season was a rough one, but Sven was a bright spot. I loved the Sven-Bo-Brock combo. A little bit of everything. If they could get a better puck mover to get them going off the rush, i like that idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Hortankin said: Drouin Nylander Hischier Reinhart Puljujarvi Provorov Sergachev + pick If we're trading Tanev I'd want a blue chip prospect such as one of these guys coming back. Call them up and see who bites Shoot for the moon I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hortankin Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Just now, 73 Percent said: Shoot for the moon I guess. Nylander would be the most likely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conscience Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Hortankin said: Drouin Nylander Hischier Reinhart Puljujarvi Provorov Sergachev + pick If we're trading Tanev I'd want a blue chip prospect such as one of these guys coming back. Call them up and see who bites Lol funny man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Hortankin said: Nylander would be the most likely If you say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on the cycle Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 3 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said: But Gudbranson is really nothing more than a depth defenseman, barely scratching the surface as a 5-6 if you apply analytics........ Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckswincup8 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Hortankin said: Drouin Nylander Hischier Reinhart Puljujarvi Provorov Sergachev + pick If we're trading Tanev I'd want a blue chip prospect such as one of these guys coming back. Call them up and see who bites Puljujarrvi might be had for tanev +. If they cant sign russell, tanev is an upgrade for them. They just went to the west finals. Tanev + couple more minor upgrades might get them to SCF next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 26 minutes ago, on the cycle said: Agreed. I'm being sarcastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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