Ossi Vaananen Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 That would be fantastic if a deal of $4m per 4 could get done. However based on the summer of re-signing to 3.5 on a one year term, and a rumored deal to Florida with Demers coming back, I would say that a long term extension might be out of our reach with Guddy. If this is the case then we should explore moving him, perhaps closer to the deadline, and with a better return than the B prospects that are rumored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckistani Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 47 minutes ago, Ossi Vaananen said: That would be fantastic if a deal of $4m per 4 could get done. However based on the summer of re-signing to 3.5 on a one year term, and a rumored deal to Florida with Demers coming back, I would say that a long term extension might be out of our reach with Guddy. If this is the case then we should explore moving him, perhaps closer to the deadline, and with a better return than the B prospects that are rumored. i think a more realistic scenario with Guddy would be 6 years @ 4.5-5 mil per year, with whomever he signs. If Vancouver is not willing to pay in that range (provided Guddy's game is back to his Florida playoff days), they should look to trade him. But i think we should do a deal of that sort for him, if by mid season he has strong defensive defenceman showings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattrek Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 No, you had him, you gave him up. The stud is ours now, too bad so sad. You're going to really regret that trade, Gudbranson will make sure of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kungfudru Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Gudbransen for a 1st at the deadline if Tallon wants him that badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_theRyper Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 On 08/10/2017 at 0:50 AM, darinbadershouldamadeit said: Funny you should mention that, while i do agree with you, that this isn't the time to bring back Luongo. But Eventually we might need to bring him back and park his contract in Utica to save our Cap space but until then let him be in Florida, hopefully he will play the darn thing out... YUUUUUUP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 On 10/8/2017 at 0:50 AM, darinbadershouldamadeit said: Funny you should mention that, while i do agree with you, that this isn't the time to bring back Luongo. But Eventually we might need to bring him back and park his contract in Utica to save our Cap space but until then let him be in Florida, hopefully he will play the darn thing out... Parking Loungo in the minors only hides $950k. So the Canucks would still have a cap hit of over $5m to deal with. That's actually significantly higher than the potential cap recapture penalty is in every year, with the exception of the final year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin's Dog Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 9 hours ago, canuckistani said: i think a more realistic scenario with Guddy would be 6 years @ 4.5-5 mil per year, with whomever he signs. If Vancouver is not willing to pay in that range (provided Guddy's game is back to his Florida playoff days), they should look to trade him. But i think we should do a deal of that sort for him, if by mid season he has strong defensive defenceman showings. I was thinking he would be looking for a six year deal in that 4.5 range which IMHO (unless he develops some offence) is a very fair price for a stay at home shot blocker with leadership and toughness. I think if Rielly who is two years younger is making 5m Gudbranson fits in below that, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin's Dog Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 35 minutes ago, qwijibo said: Parking Loungo in the minors only hides $950k. So the Canucks would still have a cap hit of over $5m to deal with. That's actually significantly higher than the potential cap recapture penalty is in every year, with the exception of the final year. I agree. It will not solve anything except maybe the length of time Van has to have him in the books when compared to a buyout. I've seen a schedule that says that his recapture is crazy high mainly if he walks with 1 year left. With a decrease in recapture with every year left. But as others have said he may be a candidate for LTIR with his hips well before the last year of that deal. I was both in favour of and scared of for length of term for Luongo's deal when Gillis signed it. my surprise has always been how many media types think Luongo's deal was the beginning of the recapture discussion when Chicago, Phili and NJ and maybe others signed contracts that circumnavigated cap limits in a far more obvious way. Heck (pardon my language) I remember when Alfredsson admitted that Ottawa added a year at $1m to his last contract to make the cap work!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOgRook Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 On 2017-10-08 at 1:09 AM, Mad_Duck said: Guys, don't worry... Knuckles Stech has got us covered! You mean Tony Stretcher!! Has such a mafia ring to it lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 5 hours ago, Kungfudru said: Gudbransen for a 1st at the deadline if Tallon wants him that badly. Pass. Make that a 1st and Petrovic and it's worth thinking about - but only if we re-sign him July 1st lol. I like Dale Tallon, but otherwise would love to put the screws to that franchise - they don't really deserve to still have him in the fold imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Juice Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 6 hours ago, Mattrek said: No, you had him, you gave him up. The stud is ours now, too bad so sad. You're going to really regret that trade, Gudbranson will make sure of it. Exactly. He had him already so if you want him back, expect to pay more than what you originally received Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckistani Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Calvin's Dog said: I was thinking he would be looking for a six year deal in that 4.5 range which IMHO (unless he develops some offence) is a very fair price for a stay at home shot blocker with leadership and toughness. I think if Rielly who is two years younger is making 5m Gudbranson fits in below that, no? Yes and no. I think contract negotiations are partly based on comparables, partly based on team need. Ie, I can see Guddy demanding and making more than his comparable, if he is the only guy with the skill-set on offer to said team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 A Botchford article.....why would anyone take what he says with anything less than a grain of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kungfudru Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 3 hours ago, oldnews said: Pass. Make that a 1st and Petrovic and it's worth thinking about - but only if we re-sign him July 1st lol. I like Dale Tallon, but otherwise would love to put the screws to that franchise - they don't really deserve to still have him in the fold imo. Even better. I was thinking a 1st and Hawryluk but that might be a little over zealous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHitman Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 If Gudbranson continues to play like last game, Borgstrom and a 1st should be what we get at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Why do I feel like Tallon is making waves to influence Guddy for July 1st? This feels like tampering to me. Two times in the past few months a Florida based rumour around Guddy has surfaced. That’s another team creating talk around our player. Is Rallon pushing for a trade or is he sending smoke signals to Guddy’s agent and the man himself that they will sign him if he holds out to FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, Kungfudru said: Even better. I was thinking a 1st and Hawryluk but that might be a little over zealous If we move Gudbranson, we're going to need a guy like Petrovic returning in a deal imo - and we're deeper in forward prospects than our blueline, so I don't see the sense in dealing Gudbranson unless a good young defenseman is coming back. Regardless, I personally don't believe it will happen - I think Gud re-signs here mid-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darinbadershouldamadeit Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 4 hours ago, qwijibo said: Parking Loungo in the minors only hides $950k. So the Canucks would still have a cap hit of over $5m to deal with. That's actually significantly higher than the potential cap recapture penalty is in every year, with the exception of the final year. Crap! I guess we will have to Nancy Kerrigan him then and LTIR..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 14 hours ago, canuckistani said: i think a more realistic scenario with Guddy would be 6 years @ 4.5-5 mil per year, with whomever he signs. If Vancouver is not willing to pay in that range (provided Guddy's game is back to his Florida playoff days), they should look to trade him. But i think we should do a deal of that sort for him, if by mid season he has strong defensive defenceman showings. I'm more than comfortable with 6 years @4.5 provided there isn't a full NTC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 28 minutes ago, darinbadershouldamadeit said: Crap! I guess we will have to Nancy Kerrigan him then and LTIR..... send him our version of what the Leafs have made an archipelago - Luongo island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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