(Rumour) Maple Leafs Have Interest In Erik Gudbranson

[garthsbutcher]

Guddy and Gaunce for Kapp and Martin

[Derp...]

He just needs to bomb one slapper in the net and his value will go up a lot. 

 

He has a heavy but inaccurate shot for the most part. 

[oldnews]

On 12/19/2017 at 2:47 PM, ForsbergTheGreat said:

Oh enough of your garbage....

 

 

ah....someone disagrees with your weak proposal....

W

 

 

[oldnews]

19 hours ago, shiznak said:

I don't think anyone is really low-balling Gudbranson's trade value. Jeff Petry (a pending UFA), who plays a similar role as Gudbranson, was traded for a 2nd, and 5th. Brendan Smith was traded last year, in a similar package.

So, to be clear, you'd trade Gudbranson for Brendan Smith or Jeff Petry?   

 

And here's the additional irony:

 

Jeff Petry has a 6yr x 5.5 million contract.

Brendan Smith 4 years x 4.35

 

Those are the types of terms people are cringing about, as if Gudbranson aint worth it.

[86Viking]

19 minutes ago, oldnews said:

So, to be clear, you'd trade Gudbranson for Brendan Smith or Jeff Petry?   

 

And here's the additional irony:

 

Jeff Petry has a 6yr x 5.5 million contract.

Brendan Smith 4 years x 4.35

 

Those are the types of terms people are cringing about, as if Gudbranson aint worth it.

The Smith deal is more appealing to me. As he ages Guddy will struggle more and more with foot speed, plus the type of game he plays will wear on him more. Not that he hasnt been injured a ton for us already

[oldnews]

17 hours ago, VIC_CITY said:

Martin is one of the best in the league at what he does. Dorsett has a ton of heart but I'm not sure he's much of a deterent. I also thought Dorsett was a bit overpaid in both term and salary at the time of his signing, although it turned out to be ok in the long term. Whereas the Martin we see today is the Martin we've seen for years, so I think the contract he signed was pretty much as expected and if anything, he's outperformed his contract. So Martin>Dorsett...and Martin + cap space > Gudbranson. IMO of course.

Matt Martin is an 8 minute / game, 12th man.

Not a single Leaf who touches the ice less frequently.

 

				Scoring						Goals				Assists					Ice Time		Point Shares
Rk	Player	Age	Pos	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	EV	PP	SH	GW	EV	PP	SH	S	S%	TOI	ATOI ▼	OPS	DPS	PS	BLK	HIT	FOW	FOL	FO%
	Team Total			35	115	183	298	53	256	91	23	1	19	137	44	2	1061	10.8			20.7	17.1	45.9	488	741	1119	1076	51.0
1	Frederik Andersen	28	G	29	0	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	0		1746	60:13	0.0	0.0	6.8	0	0	0	0
2	Curtis McElhinney	34	G	6	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0		353	58:47	0.0	0.0	1.3	0	0	0	0
3	Nikita Zaitsev	26	D	34	4	6	10	8	21	4	0	0	1	6	0	0	36	11.1	777	22:51	0.5	2.1	2.6	94	64	0	0
4	Jake Gardiner	27	D	35	2	13	15	1	18	1	1	0	0	8	5	0	46	4.3	783	22:22	0.8	1.6	2.4	43	15	0	0
5	Ron Hainsey	36	D	35	2	13	15	6	12	2	0	0	1	12	0	1	31	6.5	765	21:52	0.9	1.9	2.8	70	43	0	0
6	Morgan Rielly	23	D	35	4	18	22	-4	6	3	1	0	0	10	8	0	79	5.1	753	21:30	1.8	1.1	3.0	38	17	0	0
7	Auston Matthews	20	C	26	13	13	26	13	2	11	2	0	2	9	4	0	80	16.3	483	18:35	2.8	1.0	3.7	28	5	159	131	54.8
8	Zach Hyman	25	C	35	6	12	18	9	18	6	0	0	1	11	0	1	62	9.7	615	17:34	0.8	1.0	1.8	24	55	27	36	42.9
9	Patrick Marleau	38	LW	35	12	7	19	0	8	11	1	0	5	5	2	0	85	14.1	589	16:50	1.6	0.6	2.2	8	41	95	80	54.3
10	Leo Komarov	31	C	35	4	4	8	1	15	2	1	1	0	3	1	0	50	8.0	581	16:36	-0.4	0.6	0.2	29	106	50	53	48.5
11	Nazem Kadri	27	C	35	13	10	23	5	16	10	3	0	0	6	4	0	85	15.3	579	16:33	2.2	0.8	2.9	12	48	233	239	49.4
12	William Nylander	21	C	35	6	16	22	10	4	4	2	0	2	12	4	0	82	7.3	574	16:24	1.3	1.0	2.3	3	13	141	119	54.2
13	Roman Polak	31	D	16	1	2	3	3	14	1	0	0	0	2	0	0	13	7.7	253	15:48	0.1	0.7	0.8	23	35	0	0
14	Connor Brown	24	RW	35	9	5	14	-2	6	8	1	0	2	5	0	0	46	19.6	548	15:40	0.9	0.5	1.3	14	9	34	49	41.0
15	Mitch Marner	20	C	35	3	21	24	-3	8	1	2	0	1	15	6	0	67	4.5	545	15:34	1.3	0.4	1.7	14	13	29	28	50.9
16	Tyler Bozak	31	C	34	7	11	18	-1	12	6	1	0	2	6	5	0	64	10.9	511	15:01	1.2	0.5	1.7	6	17	225	229	49.6
17	James van Riemsdyk	28	LW	34	16	9	25	-5	20	9	7	0	1	4	5	0	89	18.0	487	14:19	3.0	0.3	3.2	11	18	0	1	0.0
18	Connor Carrick	23	D	18	2	2	4	9	10	1	1	0	1	2	0	0	19	10.5	250	13:52	0.3	1.2	1.5	23	13	0	0
19	Andreas Borgman	22	D	33	2	6	8	3	16	2	0	0	0	6	0	0	34	5.9	455	13:48	0.5	1.1	1.6	23	79	0	0
20	Calle Rosen	23	D	4	0	1	1	-3	4	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	5	0.0	51	12:47	0.0	-0.1	-0.1	0	1	0	0
21	Josh Leivo	24	LW	10	1	1	2	1	4	1	0	0	0	1	0	0	17	5.9	112	11:10	0.0	0.1	0.2	3	2	3	0	100.0
22	Eric Fehr	32	C	4	0	0	0	-1	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	0.0	44	10:56	-0.1	0.0	-0.1	2	2	17	20	45.9
23	Dominic Moore	37	C	26	4	5	9	2	6	4	0	0	0	5	0	0	24	16.7	283	10:54	0.6	0.4	0.9	10	23	100	88	53.2
24	Kasperi Kapanen	21	RW	5	2	0	2	0	0	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	13	15.4	54	10:53	0.3	0.1	0.3	0	10	0	1	0.0
25	Nikita Soshnikov	24	RW	3	0	0	0	-2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0		31	10:26	-0.1	0.0	-0.1	2	5	0	1	0.0
26	Matt Martin	28	LW	33	2	7	9	3	34	2	0	0	0	7	0	0	30	6.7	273	8:17	0.4	0.4	0.8	8	107	6	1	85.7

 

 

https://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/TOR/2018.html

 

Dorsett was playing twice the minutes, shutdown minutes, with 29% offensive zone starts, and scored 7 goals in 20 games in that role, including 2 shorthanded, matching Matt Martin while penalty killing.

 

Martin has been healthy scratched this year,  and relatively ineffective - but you believe he's outperforming his contract and that Martin + cap space > Gudbranson....

 

Wow.  I have no idea how you could arrive at that opinion.

Both Gudbranson and Dorsett are multiples better hockey players than Matt Martin - and I'd take Gudbranson in a bout with Martin 9 times out of 10.

 

 

 

[oldnews]

9 minutes ago, Yotes said:

The Smith deal is more appealing to me. As he ages Guddy will struggle more and more with foot speed, plus the type of game he plays will wear on him more. Not that he hasnt been injured a ton for us already

So...you're from the future?

[Gaudette Celly]

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It’s unlikely they re-sign him to what he can get on the market

Based on what?  The Canucks will have PLENTY of capspace.

 

Friedman seems to be onto this "trade Gudbranson" bandwagon, same as Botchford and other sourceless blowhards.  In the past at least he could substantiate his claims, now he's got absolutely nothing but speculation -- and irrational at that.

[oldnews]

19 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said:

Based on what?  The Canucks will have PLENTY of capspace.

 

Friedman seems to be onto this "trade Gudbranson" bandwagon, same as Botchford and other sourceless blowhards.  In the past at least he could substantiate his claims, now he's got absolutely nothing but speculation -- and irrational at that.

Friedman has been rapidly declining.

Could be osmosis, but who knows?

He seems as concerned with his hair as he is with substance.  Or perhaps he's realizing that providing substance doesn't necessarily get you ahead in his business.

 

With Dreger having grown so insignificant, there are some Leafs-lobby shoes to fill....

[Provost]

20 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said:

Based on what?  The Canucks will have PLENTY of capspace.

 

Friedman seems to be onto this "trade Gudbranson" bandwagon, same as Botchford and other sourceless blowhards.  In the past at least he could substantiate his claims, now he's got absolutely nothing but speculation -- and irrational at that.

It isn’t that they can’t fit him under the cap, it is they won’t want to pay UFA market price for him at our stage of team development.

He will probably be able to get $5+ million from “someone” and a 4-5 year term.

He hasn’t been a fit at all here, and we wouldn’t be coughing up that kind of coin for what he brings to us.

He will almost certainly get traded, and will re-sign with that team or maybe go back to Florida where he had success and is apparently wanted.

[Alflives]

2 hours ago, Nicklas Bo Hunter said:

How is 6 foot small? 

He’s very elf like in his build.  He’s playing defence, where he’s going to get crush popped.  

[oldnews]

47 minutes ago, Provost said:

It isn’t that they can’t fit him under the cap, it is they won’t want to pay UFA market price for him at our stage of team development.

He will probably be able to get $5+ million from “someone” and a 4-5 year term.

He hasn’t been a fit at all here, and we wouldn’t be coughing up that kind of coin for what he brings to us.

He will almost certainly get traded, and will re-sign with that team or maybe go back to Florida where he had success and is apparently wanted.

Repeated failed attempts to speak for Benning.

 

You don't know:

1) what "they" / Benning will or won't want

2) what Benning thinks regarding Gudbranson's fit here,

nor

3) that he will almost certainly get traded, as if he isn't wanted here.... (but he's 'apparently wanted' in Florida, or will be by 'someone'...).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[erkayloomeh]

52 minutes ago, Provost said:

It isn’t that they can’t fit him under the cap, it is they won’t want to pay UFA market price for him at our stage of team development.

He will probably be able to get $5+ million from “someone” and a 4-5 year term.

He hasn’t been a fit at all here, and we wouldn’t be coughing up that kind of coin for what he brings to us.

He will almost certainly get traded, and will re-sign with that team or maybe go back to Florida where he had success and is apparently wanted.

I disagree that he hasn't fit in here. I would live for him to get an extended opportunity here. The problem is he keeps getting injured .  I'm rooting for him to resign here. 

[Nicklas Bo Hunter]

19 minutes ago, Alflives said:

He’s very elf like in his build.  He’s playing defence, where he’s going to get crush popped.  

I mean its not like juolevi plays huge.... I'd fore sure take lil on our team don't need Every D to be a beast we got biega for that

[Gaudette Celly]

51 minutes ago, Provost said:

It isn’t that they can’t fit him under the cap, it is they won’t want to pay UFA market price for him at our stage of team development.

I ask the same question of Friedman -- why not?  Benning knew what he was getting, and clearly WANTS this type of player.

 

And what about a 25-year-old dman just coming into his prime is "not at our stage of team development"?  Is this Logan's Run, where we turf any player over 23?  According to our projected plan he will be fully into his prime, not just as a player but in leadership, when this team is ready to compete.

 

52 minutes ago, Provost said:

He hasn’t been a fit at all here

Based on what -- not being in the lineup for most of the time he's been here?  Where's the factual evidence for that assertion?  And sorry, fancy stats can't quantify it either.  How about simply looking at what happens to our players when he's not in our lineup versus when he is?

 

53 minutes ago, Provost said:

He will almost certainly get traded

And once again -- based on WHAT?  Spurious bigoted musings from Botchford are not valid.  There has been zero evidence that the Canucks do not want to re-sign him; indeed any indications are that they want to.

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, Nicklas Bo Hunter said:

I mean its not like juolevi plays huge.... I'd fore sure take lil on our team don't need Every D to be a beast we got biega for that

Not for Guddy though.  Plus, Juiolevvi is already over 200 pounds.  Unless Lil is Eric Karlsson, he’s going to get killed.  I think that’s likely why he fell so much in the draft.

[Provost]

16 hours ago, oldnews said:

Repeated failed attempts to speak for Benning.

 

You don't know:

1) what "they" / Benning will or won't want

2) what Benning thinks regarding Gudbranson's fit here,

nor

3) that he will almost certainly get traded, as if he isn't wanted here.... (but he's 'apparently wanted' in Florida, or will be by 'someone'...).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am fine listening to multiple reporters and sources who have direct access to the team, staff, and management rather than you.

 

Reports say he was almost traded back to Florida last summer, you generally don’t do that with a player you intend to pay top UFA dollar for.

 

Multiple reporters have indicated that the team is looking at trading Gudbranson sooner rather than later.

 

I didn’t profess to know the future with absolute like you often do, but used past facts like what similar UFA D sign for in order to extrapolate into what I believed likely to happen in the future.

[oldnews]

1 minute ago, Provost said:

I am fine listening to multiple reporters and sources who have direct access to the team, staff, and management rather than you.

 

Reports say he was almost traded back to Florida last summer, you generally don’t do that with a player you intend to pay top UFA dollar for.

 

Multiple reporters have indicated that the team is looking at trading Gudbranson sooner rather than later.

 

I didn’t process to know the future with absolute like you often do, but used past facts like what similar UFA D sign for in order to extrapolate into what I believed likely to happen in the future.

It's a cool story but your sources are absent.

[shiznak]

1 hour ago, oldnews said:

So, to be clear, you'd trade Gudbranson for Brendan Smith or Jeff Petry?   

 

And here's the additional irony:

 

Jeff Petry has a 6yr x 5.5 million contract.

Brendan Smith 4 years x 4.35

 

Those are the types of terms people are cringing about, as if Gudbranson aint worth it.

Failed to grasp at the point, but whatever.

 

You rarely see a pending UFAs fetch a first round pick, let alone a good prospect, unless it's a top end player like a Tavares.

 

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, shiznak said:

Failed to grasp at the point, but whatever.

 

You rarely see a pending UFAs fetch a first round pick, let alone a good prospect, unless it's a top end player like a Tavares.

 

Which is another reason why JB must sign this guy!