Tim Hortons Heirs Cut Paid Breaks and Benefits After Minimum Wage Hike

[kingofsurrey]

Just now, trek said:

Government should not regulate what employers pay as a 'livable' wage. If the employee needs more money, go find a better job. This isn't a socialist society. 

Disagree 100 %

 

government should set minimum wages.  And if necessary top it up so all working people get a livingwage 

[Kragar]

4 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

Disagree 100 %

 

government should set minimum wages.  And if necessary top it up so all working people get a livingwage 

Why would it be necessary to be a living wage?  Since most people use min-wage jobs to earn extra money while going to school, or to supplement retirement or a primary income by them or their spouse, what makes you think that those jobs should provide a living wage?  

[ForsbergTheGreat]

13 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

People can be exploited without being forced ..... 

Sure but then they are choosing to be exploited. If you don’t like, you are free work somewhere else. 

[trek]

14 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

Disagree 100 %

 

government should set minimum wages.  And if necessary top it up so all working people get a livingwage 

You can disagree all you like. Likewise, I 100% disagree with you.

[Gurn]

1 hour ago, Ryan Strome said:

Probably because I should have wrote 

I couldn't care less?

 

1 hour ago, SabreFan1 said:

Bingo!  It's one of my pet peeves....

 

It really drives me nuts when I see an intelligent person say it.  I start to worry that it may be contagious.

 

1 hour ago, SabreFan1 said:

I'll give you a pass on the "should have wrote".  Only because I've murdered the English language myself plenty of times, especially when I post tired.

 

Hey isn't it supposed to be "should have written"?

 

Usually, when I butcher English I just say "English is a growing, changing language, and I just changed it".

 

 

[Ryan Strome]

1 hour ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

But who cares if they have outside money, if you had a rich uncle who gave you a ton a money in his will should have mean you should care less about making a profit in your business. If you ran a business and you were going to take a 46% hit on your gross income, without seeing a 46% growth in profit you’d probably not be too happy.  It’s still a job they do, a business they run, I’m can’t imagine it just being a side hobby they enjoy. They still expect to get value for their work and that value is based on what the market determine to.  The gov’t coming in and setting a wage price hinders the market from working the way it’s meant to. 

 

If you want to get paid more than minimum wage then develop a skillset that makes you more valuable, the more important you are to a business’s success the more you will get paid.  If you don’t feel you’re getting paid for what value you believe you bring, there are plenty of others companies out there that will.  Life isn’t about equality, striving for equality only takes away freedoms.  Life if about economical fairness (not emotional fairness) the more you bring to the table to the more you get to take home. 

I never said anything about outside money. I'm saying I assume they can pay more based on what the restaurant makes.

 

As for the second bolded part sure but considering the cost of living if these people don't make more we will have homeless problem in this country.

 

Certainly a minimum wage increase will hurt some businesses I just don't think a tim hortons is one of them.

 

[Ryan Strome]

21 minutes ago, gurn said:

 

 

 

Hey isn't it supposed to be "should have written"?

 

Usually, when I butcher English I just say "English is a growing, changing language, and I just changed it".

 

 

Yes it should have been. 

[ForsbergTheGreat]

20 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

I never said anything about outside money. I'm saying I assume they can pay more based on what the restaurant makes.

 

But when you called out that they are a typical franchisee that would take into affect the outside money. The average Timmy owner takes home 250k. A $2.6/hr wage increase affects the average owner but cutting 46% of his take home. 

 

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As for the second bolded part sure but considering the cost of living if these people don't make more we will have homeless problem in this country.

 

Increasing min wage doesn’t take more people out of poverty.  Cost of living is variable based on where you live. I can’t afford a house in inner city Calgary so I bought outside of inner city. That responsibility is on me to make. There’s consequence to actions. People are getting used to making the wrong choices and then looking for someone else to bail them out. 

 

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Certainly a minimum wage increase will hurt some businesses I just don't think a tim hortons is one of them.

Again depends on the location. But on average throughout Canada most are going to hurt. If Timmy can afford it maybe they need to lower the annual franchise fee to help the franchisees out.  Most franchises take 10-20% off gross.  

 

We all new that increase in expense was going to come from somewhere and we all new it would result in affecting the most expendable lest valuable. Govt needs to stay out of business and let the market dictate what’s best.

[kingofsurrey]

5 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

 

But when you called out that they are a typical franchisee that would take into affect the outside money. The average Timmy owner takes home 250k. A $2.6/hr wage increase affects the average owner but cutting 46% of his take home. 

 

 

Increasing min wage doesn’t take more people out of poverty.  Cost of living is variable based on where you live. I can’t afford a house in inner city Calgary so I bought outside of inner city. That responsibility is on me to make. There’s consequence to actions. People are getting used to making the wrong choices and then looking for someone else to bail them out. 

 

Again depends on the location. But on average throughout Canada most are going to hurt. If Timmy can afford it maybe they need to lower the annual franchise fee to help the franchisees out.  Most franchises take 10-20% off gross.  

 

We all new that increase in expense was going to come from somewhere and we all new it would result in affecting the most expendable lest valuable. Govt needs to stay out of business and let the market dictate what’s best.

Government needs to protect its citizens from exploitaitive businesses.  

[JC2]

I worked for Tim Hortons for 2.5 years and I only got one unpaid 30min break and never actually received my benefits. I'm frankly surprised they got coffee breaks.

[Ryan Strome]

13 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

 

But when you called out that they are a typical franchisee that would take into affect the outside money. The average Timmy owner takes home 250k. A $2.6/hr wage increase affects the average owner but cutting 46% of his take home. 

 

 

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I think you missed what I was saying. I was pointing out it's a franchisee doing this not Tim Hortons. So people jumping all over Tim Hortons is a little silly.

 

That being said I'm sure this isn't good for their brand.

[ForsbergTheGreat]

29 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

Government needs to protect its citizens from exploitaitive businesses.  

People hold the power. If you don’t want to be exploited don’t work there. It’s that simple. In order for that company to hire quality talent they will be forced alter the way they conduct business.  

 

Timmys already faces that today. In fort Mac, due to no one wanting to live there and because of the pay competition they offer the employees over $20/hr and they still have trouble retaining staff. A free market is puts the control in the consumers hands. A business relies on its customers and enployees. Without them they don’t have a business. as long as people continue working there/ eating their they will stay in business. You can cry that people are being exploited all you want but yet the resumes keep on flying in, so it would seem like people are fine with what they offer. 

[Kragar]

1 hour ago, gurn said:

 

 

 

Hey isn't it supposed to be "should have written"?

 

Usually, when I butcher English I just say "English is a growing, changing language, and I just changed it".

 

 

At least it wasn't "should of". 

 

That is a funny comeback, I gotta say.

[SabreFan1]

2 hours ago, gurn said:

Hey isn't it supposed to be "should have written"?

 

Usually, when I butcher English I just say "English is a growing, changing language, and I just changed it".

That's my point.  I gave him a pass because he was close enough.  Unless you're just busting his chops for fun as well...

[SabreFan1]

19 minutes ago, Kragar said:

At least it wasn't "should of". 

 

That is a funny comeback, I gotta say.

I gave up on correcting people who say "should of" instead of "should have" long ago.  Millennials started that one en masse.  It would be like trying to stick your finger in a leaky damn.  Soon the water will win.  There's just too much of it.

[Kragar]

41 minutes ago, SabreFan1 said:

I gave up on correcting people who say "should of" instead of "should have" long ago.  Millennials started that one en masse.  It would be like trying to stick your finger in a leaky damn.  Soon the water will win.  There's just too much of it.

Yeah... I'd rather they all come around and fix the meaning of the word "literally".

 

When you type things as you would say it, especially in a place like this, it really doesn't matter, and most of the time we can all figure out what the person meant.  But when some bunch of yahoos, en masse as you say, go and have the meaning of the word include its complete opposite, well, hell, ain't that an accomplishment!!!  Buttheads.

[kingofsurrey]

2 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

People hold the power. If you don’t want to be exploited don’t work there. It’s that simple. In order for that company to hire quality talent they will be forced alter the way they conduct business.  

 

Timmys already faces that today. In fort Mac, due to no one wanting to live there and because of the pay competition they offer the employees over $20/hr and they still have trouble retaining staff. A free market is puts the control in the consumers hands. A business relies on its customers and enployees. Without them they don’t have a business. as long as people continue working there/ eating their they will stay in business. You can cry that people are being exploited all you want but yet the resumes keep on flying in, so it would seem like people are fine with what they offer. 

It is very pejorative of you to refer to a person that holds a different view of yours to  be "  Crying ".

 

Doesn't surprise me that you use this kind of offensive language though.

 

Lets agree to disagree

 

I am hoping to see a country that provides working adults with a wage if working 40 hrs per week  that they can afford basic food, clothing and rented shelter / if they had  a roomate. 

 

You are hoping to see a country that allows workers to be paid wages that keeps them living in alleys and in parks and begging for spare change on Robson St. 

 

We just see / hope for a different society.  No reason to call one another names. 

[ForsbergTheGreat]

30 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

It is very pejorative of you to refer to a person that holds a different view of yours to  be "  Crying ".

 

Doesn't surprise me that you use this kind of offensive language though.

 

Crying isnt offensive language. There’s no sympathy from me for people upset about being in situations they choose to be in. That’s the beauty of capitalism you have freedom of choice. 

 

30 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

Lets agree to disagree

 

Sure

 

30 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

I am hoping to see a country that provides working adults with a wage if working 40 hrs per week  that they can afford basic food, clothing and rented shelter / if they had  a roomate. 

A living wage varies based on where you are located. If you find the wage you are getting isn’t enough you have to options. Find a job that provides enough (usually requires personal development/growth) or move to another location where you get far more for your $. Living inner city is a choice. Working min wage is a choice. People need to take responsibility for themselves and stop relying on others giving them handouts. 

 

30 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

You are hoping to see a country that allows workers to be paid wages that keeps them living in alleys and in parks and begging for spare change on Robson St. 

 

Nope I’m hoping we grow a strong country filled with people who are independent and don’t need hand outs to survive. A country the allows for personal freedom. Sure there are people that get into situations and I’m all for helping them, like vets. I think you need to take a long hard look at what kind of society your implications would bring about.  The free market bring about the most freedom

 

 

“Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself.”

 

“Many people want the government to protect the consumer. A much more urgent problem is to protect the consumer from the government”

 

“A society that puts equality... ahead of freedom will end up with neither”

  

30 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

We just see / hope for a different society.  No reason to call one another names. 

I never called anyone names?

[kingofsurrey]

My family income is very decent.   Between my wife and I we do Very well......

Our home is gone up 300 K in the last few years.

 

We are very comfortable.

 

I now want to give back and see other BC citizens doing better.. having safe housing. food. and clothing for their kids.

 

If you do not care about your fellow citizens...... i feel sorry for you.

The children of these hurting families.... these kids have so many disadvantages...  their futures are really at risk.....

 

I am happy to pay more to see my community in better shape..

[Kragar]

17 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

My family income is very decent.   Between my wife and I we do Very well......

Our home is gone up 300 K in the last few years.

 

We are very comfortable.

 

I now want to give back and see other BC citizens doing better.. having safe housing. food. and clothing for their kids.

 

If you do not care about your fellow citizens...... i feel sorry for you.

The children of these hurting families.... these kids have so many disadvantages...  their futures are really at risk.....

 

I am happy to pay more to see my community in better shape..

That's awesome for you.  But not everyone can say the same.  How about instead of having the government raise prices and punish all customers and business owners, you instead choose to share some of your good fortune with those hard-working people you feel deserve more?  Sounds like a win-win.