Prisoners to be placed in men's or women's facility based on how they self identify

[Heretic]

41 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

Welp, now I have a game plan if I'm ever thrown in the can.

 

Thanks, Justin 

[DIBdaQUIB]

2 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

the number of actual trans people who will be involved in this will be a tiny proportion of the prison community, thats the 'few'. 

 

Stories like this are much too reactionary and people like to say this is all "Trudeau" like he could just walk in and make all this happen  that idea is quite funny to me

 

But like the story actually said this is the result of years of collaboration between multiple groups involved in prison rehabilitation so I'm going to just go ahead and assume these folks see a real need for this.  (A joint statement from Prisoners' Legal Services, the Correctional Service of Canada and the Canadian Human Rights Commission said the reforms are the result of years of collaboration.) 

I get that there may not be that many "trans" people but the impact goes far beyond that.  IN allowing prisoners to choose their gender for purposes of where they will be incarcerated, the potential for abuse is high and the implications for some others, significant

 

 The article also says that the changes to the law regarding discrimination led to these changes so it would appear that regardless of the outcome of discussions and/or collaboration, this was going to happen.  It would also seem to indicate that it was, in fact, changes made by Trudeau's Liberals that led to this step being a done deal.

 

  "These changes come after the federal government added "gender identity and expression" to the list of prohibited grounds for discrimination in the Canadian Human Rights Act last June." 

[JM_]

5 minutes ago, Lockout Casualty said:

You fool! It's all Trudeau's fault and the posters on CDC are infinitely more informed on this, and every other subject, than specialists and stakeholders. Haven't you noticed? 

Oh darn, maybe you're correct. Its a Canadian deep state plot of some kind? Maybe a PC false flag? I'm new at this. 

[HerrDrFunk]

10 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

the number of actual trans people who will be involved in this will be a tiny proportion of the prison community, thats the 'few'. 

 

Stories like this are much too reactionary and people like to say this is all "Trudeau" like he could just walk in and make all this happen  that idea is quite funny to me

 

But like the story actually said this is the result of years of collaboration between multiple groups involved in prison rehabilitation so I'm going to just go ahead and assume these folks see a real need for this.  (A joint statement from Prisoners' Legal Services, the Correctional Service of Canada and the Canadian Human Rights Commission said the reforms are the result of years of collaboration.) 

 

I also don't see these 3 groups going out of their way to cause harm to the general prison population or look for ways to put women at risk either, I don't know the details but I highly doubt that some creepo rapist dude can suddenly declare he's a women and get transferred to a women's prison at have his way with people. 

Oh, sure, bring facts and logic into it. Sheesh.

[JM_]

2 minutes ago, DIBdaQUIB said:

I get that there may not be that many "trans" people but the impact goes far beyond that.  IN allowing prisoners to choose their gender for purposes of where they will be incarcerated, the potential for abuse is high and the implications for some others, significant

 

 The article also says that the changes to the law regarding discrimination led to these changes so it would appear that regardless of the outcome of discussions and/or collaboration, this was going to happen.  It would also seem to indicate that it was, in fact, changes made by Trudeau's Liberals that led to this step being a done deal.

 

  "These changes come after the federal government added "gender identity and expression" to the list of prohibited grounds for discrimination in the Canadian Human Rights Act last June." 

Sure, the government of the day always helps to pass whatever changes that advocates have had in the works for years. Harper did that with his whole "double bunking" thing overcrowding jails.... somehow thats going to help? yikes.

 

I wish the story had more detail on the process because that seems to be where this is going off into the weeds a bit. I doubt its as simple as someone making a verbal declaration and saying 'now transfer me' particularly if there is a history or risk of that person being a sexual predator. 

 

i  guess it doesn't bother me because I don't see the inclusion of trans people as a big deal. They are who they are, its not for me to judge them. I don't think anyone would choose that difficult a life if it wasn't who they are. 

 

 

 

 

[Warhippy]

58 minutes ago, Kushman said:

 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/federal-transgender-inmates-to-be-housed-addressed-according-to-gender-identity/article37802623/

This is so backward. How can a great country like Canada still only recognize male and female? We need different prisons for the 60+ different genders, anything else is completely transphobic, sexist, and bigoted

 

/sarcasm

 

Turdeau won't have a second term. 

You're worried about this?  Of all things?  Really?

 

2 things.

 

1.  They're criminals, who the hell cares

 

and

 

2.  He will have a second term because Scheer looks like he shouldn't be allowed around children or snack foods and his religious ideology alienates him from anywhere not northern Ontario Saskatchewan or Alberta

[Ryan Strome]

5 minutes ago, HerrDrFunk said:

Oh, sure, bring facts and logic into it. Sheesh.

If you like facts and logic.

 

8 minutes ago, DIBdaQUIB said:

I get that there may not be that many "trans" people but the impact goes far beyond that.  IN allowing prisoners to choose their gender for purposes of where they will be incarcerated, the potential for abuse is high and the implications for some others, significant

 

 The article also says that the changes to the law regarding discrimination led to these changes so it would appear that regardless of the outcome of discussions and/or collaboration, this was going to happen.  It would also seem to indicate that it was, in fact, changes made by Trudeau's Liberals that led to this step being a done deal.

 

  "These changes come after the federal government added "gender identity and expression" to the list of prohibited grounds for discrimination in the Canadian Human Rights Act last June." 

 

[Ryan Strome]

2 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

You're worried about this?  Of all things?  Really?

 

2 things.

 

1.  They're criminals, who the hell cares

 

and

 

2.  He will have a second term because Scheer looks like he shouldn't be allowed around children or snack foods and his religious ideology alienates him from anywhere not northern Ontario Saskatchewan or Alberta

Man JT is a catholic and he did well with female and youth voters all over Canada.

[DIBdaQUIB]

1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

Sure, the government of the day always helps to pass whatever changes that advocates have had in the works for years. Harper did that with his whole "double bunking" thing overcrowding jails.... somehow thats going to help? yikes.

 

I wish the story had more detail on the process because that seems to be where this is going off into the weeds a bit. I doubt its as simple as someone making a verbal declaration and saying 'now transfer me' particularly if there is a history or risk of that person being a sexual predator. 

 

i  guess it doesn't bother me because I don't see the inclusion of trans people as a big deal. They are who they are, its not for me to judge them. I don't think anyone would choose that difficult a life if it wasn't who they are. 

 

 

 

 

To be clear, I am not upset about the inclusion of "trans" people but the potential for abuse and the implications for others.  The devil is usually in the details so we will have to wait and see just how the determination is to be made. 

 

Having had an uncle who was a counsellor in the prison system, I lack your faith that this will be a benign change.   

[HerrDrFunk]

3 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

If you like facts and logic.

 

 

If you like reading comprehension:

 

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A joint statement from Prisoners' Legal Services, the Correctional Service of Canada and the Canadian Human Rights Commission said the reforms are the result of years of collaboration.

 

[JM_]

3 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

If you like facts and logic.

 

 

curious.... why do you think trans people shouldn't be discriminated against? I guess if you don't believe they are real, but I'm pretty sure they aren't like Santa Claus.

[inane]

55 minutes ago, Kushman said:

its precisely this attitude that allows garbage like this to happen and sends the country spiraling into a chithole of insanity. 

lol

 

'garbage like this'.

[Warhippy]

1 minute ago, Ryan Strome said:

Man JT is a catholic and he did well with female and youth voters all over Canada.

Does he have a history of

 

promoting anti abortion

shoving religion at constituents

using religion as a talking point or political weapon

Anti LGBTQ statements

 

No.  Scheer does

 

Cons might pick up 5-8 more seats, but the likelihood is that more people from the NDP who are absolutely flabbergasted at the idiocy of picking a leader that STILL doesn't hold a seat will vote Liberal than ever.

 

Sorry to say but if they'd have gone with Raitt or Rempel or even the libertarian they'd be ok, but Scheer is unelectable outside of the rural base

[DIBdaQUIB]

Just now, Jimmy McGill said:

curious.... why do you think trans people shouldn't be discriminated against? I guess if you don't believe they are real, but I'm pretty sure they aren't like Santa Claus.

Are you implying Santa Claus isn't real? 

[JM_]

1 minute ago, DIBdaQUIB said:

To be clear, I am not upset about the inclusion of "trans" people but the potential for abuse and the implications for others.  The devil is usually in the details so we will have to wait and see just how the determination is to be made. 

 

Having had an uncle who was a counsellor in the prison system, I lack your faith that this will be a benign change.   

yah I bet he has some stories that would keep a person up at night. 

 

I guess I also prefer to see us here in Canada try to work these things out first, vs. say a US approach where people can openly discriminate and freak out over bathrooms. 

[JM_]

Just now, DIBdaQUIB said:

Are you implying Santa Claus isn't real? 

ether that or things get really funky in the offseason up at the north pole 

[Ryan Strome]

4 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Does he have a history of

 

promoting anti abortion

shoving religion at constituents

using religion as a talking point or political weapon

Anti LGBTQ statements

 

No.  Scheer does

 

Cons might pick up 5-8 more seats, but the likelihood is that more people from the NDP who are absolutely flabbergasted at the idiocy of picking a leader that STILL doesn't hold a seat will vote Liberal than ever.

 

Sorry to say but if they'd have gone with Raitt or Rempel or even the libertarian they'd be ok, but Scheer is unelectable outside of the rural base

Well we shall see in 2019.

[DIBdaQUIB]

1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

ether that or things get really funky in the offseason up at the north pole 

Well...NASA tracks him and his sled every Christmas, and it doesn't get much more official than that.

[HerrDrFunk]

2 minutes ago, DIBdaQUIB said:

Well...NASA tracks him and his sled every Christmas, and it doesn't get much more official than that.

NORAD, actually. They're the ones who track incoming missiles too so obviously the US takes Santa pretty seriously.

[Master Mind]

53 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

But what if you can do the time?