smithers joe Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 with the trade deadline coming up this months, where should benning say no to deals? gudbranson...ist round pick and prospect ...5th round pick? vanek............2nd round pick and prospect ..6th round pick? tanev............ist rounder and good prospect 5th round pick? at what point do you say no to a trade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screw Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 I would guess you would have to weigh market value vs. the player's value to the team. Further, as the Canucks showed Hammhuis, you don't want to sell so short that you tell the rest of the league you can be walked on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted February 3, 2018 Author Share Posted February 3, 2018 that is the point. benning said teams aren't offering what they might want to get. maybe not in so many words but to words of that effect. he may have to lower his expectations. can the fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Gudbranson (unsigned) = no lower than a 1st round pick (assuming it'd be in 20-31 range) Gudbranson (signed) = 1st and a prospect (or 2nd) Vanek = no lower than a 3rd Tanev = 1st, prospect, and pick (around round 3) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 1 minute ago, smithers joe said: that is the point. benning said teams aren't offering what they might want to get. maybe not in so many words but to words of that effect. he may have to lower his expectations. can the fans? I'd rather no trades than a fire sale. I know some disagree, they'll say even 6th round picks are better than absolutely nothing, with the added "benefit" of finishing lower in the standings (incrementally better lottery odds) because you just traded away 1/3 of your team for next to nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 If I am Benning, I will say NO to Gudbranson deal. Hi is a physical D that Canucks has no such kind of player now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 It's such a hard thing to broadly calculate. Scarcity drives price. It appears there's a bottleneck of teams fighting for a few spots to the dance. Suggests a seller's market, so I think JB should hold firm for good value. Then you might pkg two(or 3?) assets together, to land the return you're needing. On Gud: They have to calculate & compare the return landed, vs the dollars/term it would require to keep him. Rival GM's will try to exploit this question, knowing we're three pieces invested in the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 I say fire sale All 3 ( Vanek, Guddy , Tanev ) are not part of our club 4-5 years from now pushing for a cup. Guddy is a 3rd pair defender what a raise with term... got to be kidding right ? I say fire sale and get whatever you can for any of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted February 3, 2018 Author Share Posted February 3, 2018 i agree with what fans are saying, if the canucks can't sign guddy and all the offers are low for him, does JB let him walk at season's end? how many fans will embrace another hamhuis end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 17 minutes ago, smithers joe said: that is the point. benning said teams aren't offering what they might want to get. maybe not in so many words but to words of that effect. he may have to lower his expectations. can the fans? Benning point of view could be where any of these players fit on this team. ie; Guddy might be perceived by management as a top 2 PK specialist and fighter, hence he will look around at other teams top 2 PK specialist and want a return on that kind of player. Not necessarily comparing the players, comparing the positions. Guddy signed is not a good idea, he will get at least a raise to 4 mil. There are other players out there that can replace him right now, his strength is in the playoffs and I don't think the Nucks want to sign him for 4 years or more. A good prospect or 2nd rounder would be good. Vanek, signed here to be traded, well known a third. Tanev is worth a first, a top 16 pick, any higher, a pick and a prospect, a good prospect. It is jus an excuse to do nothing anyway, especially with the uncertainty of the Sedins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, smithers joe said: i agree with what fans are saying, if the canucks can't sign guddy and all the offers are low for him, does JB let him walk at season's end? how many fans will embrace another hamhuis end? I know a lot of people talk about Hamhuis but he was like the third guy he let go for nothing and if he doesn't have a contract, sit on his hands and do nothing and let the next GM deal with this nightmare. Yeah the guddy thing, not offered enough to trade, how can he worth enough to sign for 4 mil a season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Why trade away the exact player type they always lack, in Gudbranson? Who actually wants to watch the Canucks get rag dolled? We used to, and talk about doing it again. Awful. I can’t even fathom how pathetically weak this roster would be if Gudbranson was not on it. My preseason fear was the team losing both Guddy and DD to injury, looks like that might be a permanent reality soon. Trade Tanev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted February 3, 2018 Author Share Posted February 3, 2018 benning is getting offers or questions about his players. i doesn't sound from his reactions that there are any serious ones yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted February 3, 2018 Author Share Posted February 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said: Why trade away the exact player type they always lack, in Gudbranson? Who actually wants to watch the Canucks get rag dolled? We used to, and talk about doing it again. Awful. I can’t even fathom how pathetically weak this roster would be if Gudbranson was not on it. My preseason fear was the team losing both Guddy and DD to injury, looks like that might be a permanent reality soon. Trade Tanev. so your saying if he want 6mil x 6 years, you say pay him? 2 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said: Why trade away the exact player type they always lack, in Gudbranson? Who actually wants to watch the Canucks get rag dolled? We used to, and talk about doing it again. Awful. I can’t even fathom how pathetically weak this roster would be if Gudbranson was not on it. My preseason fear was the team losing both Guddy and DD to injury, looks like that might be a permanent reality soon. Trade Tanev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 1 minute ago, smithers joe said: so your saying if he want 6mil x 6 years, you say pay him? 6x6... that’s a bit dramatic. What will it matter what the cost is? Pay him a nice bridge price. Integrity and respect are expensive things and are in short supply on this roster. Look at that roster... They can afford to pay whatever they want. Nobody will command more than 2nd line money except Brock. The D will cost even less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyotasfan Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Sell , Sell , Sell Gudbranson Vanek And the Sedin’s I’d keep Tanev unless the price is right. I know the Sedin’s aren’t going anywhere, but I can dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted February 3, 2018 Author Share Posted February 3, 2018 14 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said: Benning point of view could be where any of these players fit on this team. ie; Guddy might be perceived by management as a top 2 PK specialist and fighter, hence he will look around at other teams top 2 PK specialist and want a return on that kind of player. Not necessarily comparing the players, comparing the positions. Guddy signed is not a good idea, he will get at least a raise to 4 mil. There are other players out there that can replace him right now, his strength is in the playoffs and I don't think the Nucks want to sign him for 4 years or more. A good prospect or 2nd rounder would be good. Vanek, signed here to be traded, well known a third. Tanev is worth a first, a top 16 pick, any higher, a pick and a prospect, a good prospect. It is jus an excuse to do nothing anyway, especially with the uncertainty of the Sedins. i agree tanev is worth that but some teams are concerned about his injury history and may not be willing to give that. i wouldn't trade him for less. i think this team needs him to steady the young guys. i'ld rather see edler moved but he is a horse and plays big minutes. who can take over those minutes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 21 minutes ago, smithers joe said: i agree tanev is worth that but some teams are concerned about his injury history and may not be willing to give that. i wouldn't trade him for less. i think this team needs him to steady the young guys. i'ld rather see edler moved but he is a horse and plays big minutes. who can take over those minutes? They should concentrate on Gud, right now. If they can move perimeter types(Hut, MDZ, Pouliot), fine if the return's decent. Keep Tanev for his calming-effect. Unless an insane offer arrives. Edler's form(last 10, 20 games) has made it easy to put it off 'til 2019(contract, or rental yr). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 43 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said: Why trade away the exact player type they always lack, in Gudbranson? Who actually wants to watch the Canucks get rag dolled? We used to, and talk about doing it again. Awful. I can’t even fathom how pathetically weak this roster would be if Gudbranson was not on it. My preseason fear was the team losing both Guddy and DD to injury, looks like that might be a permanent reality soon. Trade Tanev. This times 100000000000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyg43 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Only one I would not buckle on asking price is Tanev , he would an is a first round pick + prospect in exchange . The other reason an rational should prevail. I think at least two or three teams would want Guddy. If not able to sign he will walk so it is wash of a first round pick of few years ago it does not matter what that real pick is doing today , it would still be the Loss a first round asset for nothing. Disclaimer on the 60 or 70 or so games he played. The one player I would want to probably keep an resign if TDL offers are not good enough is Vanek that would be contingent on what the Sedins decide . But they will not say until summer.If low balled on Vanek no worries let him finish out season here. This may be teams last draft lottery so it is very relevant to try an package options that would or could potentials net the biggest returns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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