[Discussion] We got value for Vanek and can get him back again for free for those who are unhappy. So who wants him back?

[73 Percent]

Dilly dilly!

[mll]

Vanek to McIntyre ahead of the TDL - only if the Sedins come back and with a NMC:

 

Whether he’s traded or not, Vanek said he’d be happy to sign another one-year deal with the Canucks if Daniel and Henrik Sedin decide to play another season rather than retire.

 

But Vanek has one condition: “It has to do if I get a no-move or not. I’m not complaining about my family (situation), but my oldest is a fifth grader going into six. I can’t keep putting him into new schools every five months. That’s not fair to my kids. So that’s something I would ask for next time around. What I have learned on one-year deals is if it doesn’t go right the first 50 games, you’re out and exposed. It’s not a fun thing.”

[HockeydownUnder]

Don't blame Vanek for wanting the NMC.

If he is willing to sign for around a million I have to imagine a team has to sign him to a deal. He's defensively almost non existent but he puts up respectable numbers.

I would be shocked if no one offers him that unless he really bombs leading up till the end of the season.

That said I doubt the Canucks are that team. As much as I am happy with how Vanek performed, he wants a NMC. Canucks should sign a different ufa to a 1 year deal that they can trade off.

[farhills]

I am not sure we need Vanek next year,but please do not sent Peterssen

and Gaudette to Utica,bring them straight to the Canucks,I do not believe Utica is a great trading ground,who from Utica is top 6 on the Canucks,

Stecher(5 g in Utica)and Boeser came straight to Canucks

i thought Holm should make the Canucks but after one game they turf him for a small forward that TG coached years ago,not impressed how Canucks manage their young guys

Go Leafs Go

[kloubek]

3 hours ago, HockeydownUnder said:

Don't blame Vanek for wanting the NMC.

If he is willing to sign for around a million I have to imagine a team has to sign him to a deal. He's defensively almost non existent but he puts up respectable numbers.

I would be shocked if no one offers him that unless he really bombs leading up till the end of the season.

That said I doubt the Canucks are that team. As much as I am happy with how Vanek performed, he wants a NMC. Canucks should sign a different ufa to a 1 year deal that they can trade off.

I totally understand his requirement for a NTC. We got excellent value out of him for 2m and I'd even say that I'd be willing to do another 1yr, 2m again with a NTC.  Where else are you going to get a 55 point scorer for 2m? 

 

With those saying we have a glut of forwards - that's obviously true, but we don't exactly have a glut of forwards who can put up 55 points in a season.  If we lost Henrik, Daniel, AND Vanek for next season, 165 points is virtually impossible to make up given the players we are going to ice. Don't think Benning is going to rush all the young guys into next season's roster... those guys will likely be on the team the following year.  This year, I see Gaudette and Juolevi being the only likely additions, and even IF somehow a guy like Dahlen or Pettersson makes the team, it is unlikely to see a Boeser repeat.

 

In short, I fully expect a worse season next year than we had this year.  Which isn't a completely terrible thing - it gives us one last really high draft pick before our rebuild is truly in effect.

[JM_]

9 hours ago, coastal.view said:

title speaks for itself

we traded vanek for value

and for those who are unhappy

we can sign him again and keep the value we got for him

and try this at the next tdl again

and see if we can improve the return

everyone is aware jb did better then holland?

 

who wants him back ??

 

Maybe? its conditional like everything else. I don't really want to see a Sedins-Vanek line again, particularly at the expense of e.g., losing a prospect to waivers to make room for him (or them) at camp.

 

I suppose if it looks like none of our most exciting prospects are ready yet. I'm much more concerned over the development of guys like Pettersson than I am about another year of Vanek.

 

But if he does come back he's said he wants a NTC... if thats true then I think its a no-go from the start. 

 

 

 

 

[Coconuts]

It depends on our youth and what the twins do tbh. I'm not sure he'd wanna come back if they're gone and I'd prioritize any youth knocking on the door at this point.

 

I'd take him back though if it was a good fit, and only if he brings his slapper back with him.

[EternalCanuckFan]

I'm not against re-signing Vanek as I think he played well and that he seemed to have a good influence in the dressing room.  I don't understand why there seems to be a prejudice against him from other GMs.  Maybe it's nothing personal but just doubts about his compete level and the completeness of his game.  I think having a player of Vanek's skill level will help to push (and shelter) our young guns.  It might also allow guys like Pettersson and Dahlen to develop with the Comets for a bit.

 

The only thing I'm not so keen on with Vanek is giving him a NMC or a NTC.  From a personal standpoint for Vanek, I get his desire for a NMC clause but I would think that signing him to a 1-year deal is exactly to allow him to be traded.  I'm thinking of a guy like Lee Stempniak who seemed to be traded at every TDL for several years .  It's not fun for the player but from a management standpoint, unless you're a core player, that kind of deal sets you up to be exchanged for assets.  I suppose if it's just for a 1-year deal, then maybe the NMC won't be so bad provided that the Canucks actually acquire other assets by moving out other pieces (if they strongly believe that Vanek is a good mentor for the young guns).  It's clear from this TDL that Vanek, even with a strong season, is unlikely to yield a substantial return.

[86Viking]

11 hours ago, Drive-By Body Pierce said:

Watch...the same group bitching about the return from his trade will bitch about him signing as a UFA.

they likely will if its a deal with a ntc or longer than 1 year

[coastal.view]

3 hours ago, farhills said:

I am not sure we need Vanek next year,but please do not sent Peterssen

and Gaudette to Utica,bring them straight to the Canucks,I do not believe Utica is a great trading ground,who from Utica is top 6 on the Canucks,

Stecher(5 g in Utica)and Boeser came straight to Canucks

i thought Holm should make the Canucks but after one game they turf him for a small forward that TG coached years ago,not impressed how Canucks manage their young guys

Go Leafs Go

that makes a ton of sense

own a farm team to develop young talent

but avoid sending young talent there

but instead force feed them in the nhl against seasoned pros on other teams

 

maybe we should just eliminate the farm team

has no value really

[Ojibwa72]

The problem here with Vanek is age. At 34 yrs of age now the body does feel things after playing at such a high level for that long. If we could get him at say 2 yrs and 1.5 million with a NTC it would definitely be beneficial for the young ones to have that mentor (ie Boeser).

[Father Ryan]

If...IF the Twins come back (and the way they are playing, especially Daniel, that looks to be the case), I would be very hesitant to bring Vanek back. We are a little forward heavy now. Guys like Gaunce, Granlund and maybe even Baer as trade bait to move around in the draft could be one avenue to bring him back, even with the Twins return.

 

Without the Twins, most definitely bring him back. As I was scrolling through, I was considering what I thought would be a fair contract for his age, and @Ojibwa72 beat me to it. 2 years, 1.5M per with a NTC would be quite alright. I would also consider having Vanek stick around after his career, as a PP coach or some sort of scout, so he can stabilize his family. That contract is one that pretty much any team can absorb without any difficulties.

[HockeydownUnder]

20 hours ago, kloubek said:

I totally understand his requirement for a NTC. We got excellent value out of him for 2m and I'd even say that I'd be willing to do another 1yr, 2m again with a NTC.  Where else are you going to get a 55 point scorer for 2m? 

 

With those saying we have a glut of forwards - that's obviously true, but we don't exactly have a glut of forwards who can put up 55 points in a season.  If we lost Henrik, Daniel, AND Vanek for next season, 165 points is virtually impossible to make up given the players we are going to ice. Don't think Benning is going to rush all the young guys into next season's roster... those guys will likely be on the team the following year.  This year, I see Gaudette and Juolevi being the only likely additions, and even IF somehow a guy like Dahlen or Pettersson makes the team, it is unlikely to see a Boeser repeat.

 

In short, I fully expect a worse season next year than we had this year.  Which isn't a completely terrible thing - it gives us one last really high draft pick before our rebuild is truly in effect.

Probably the only things that will realistically make the Canucks a better team next year is some youth maturing and for our players to stay healthy.

I think that chances are that Pettersson has one more year to mature physically and at this point I think that will be best for his development. That being said, with how he has played, I wouldn't be shocked for him to force his way into the lineup.

I think if someone like Maroon or Grabner becomes available, I'd be happy to get them on a 1 or 2 year deal and look to deal them come the deadline. If the Canucks cannot find anyone like that, I'd be happy to have Vanek back to continue putting up points and mentor Brock as well

[Canucklehead73]

Wasn't all that excited with the return but mostly because I think a smallish forward is kinda redundant on this team but I will wait to see what sort of player he is....

 

As for Vanek re-signing... 

 

Hard call. I'd say if the sedins retire and we still are on board with a few veteran mentors Vanek seems to have some skill and leadership qualities. But will he come back if the sedins retire?

 

If the sedins don't retire having Vanek back to play with them leave only 3 top 6 positions... barring a trade that does t leave much room for virtanen and or goldobin let alone any other prospects unless we want to run 3 scoring lines.... that leads to another mess on our bottom 6 depth.

 

So I'm thinking there will be no Vanek in van

[kloubek]

17 hours ago, HockeydownUnder said:

Probably the only things that will realistically make the Canucks a better team next year is some youth maturing and for our players to stay healthy.

I think that chances are that Pettersson has one more year to mature physically and at this point I think that will be best for his development. That being said, with how he has played, I wouldn't be shocked for him to force his way into the lineup.

I think if someone like Maroon or Grabner becomes available, I'd be happy to get them on a 1 or 2 year deal and look to deal them come the deadline. If the Canucks cannot find anyone like that, I'd be happy to have Vanek back to continue putting up points and mentor Brock as well

Basically agree. I'm not expecting "better", really.... Unless perhaps we did have the Sedins scoring for one more season AND we get a boeseresque surprise in a young guy like Pettersson like you said or Gaudette.  Really, if then Sedins don't do one last season I expect an even worse season.

 

I really expect Pettersson spends a year in the AHL but again, that was expected of Boeser as well.  I'd LOVE to see him tear up camp, but being a totally different system out there on different ice, its even more of a challenge for him. Still, with that mature level of skill you never know.

 

If we don't bring back the Sedins, I'm fine with a 2 year w/ntc for Vanek. I said 2m again but if it was even less its almost a no brainer just to suppliment scoring and we know how he plays in our system.  (Quite well). Maroon is an interesting type of player to add toughness in the forward group... and I suppose we wouldnt be too concerned about his cap hit if it was 1-2 years.  I do think he overachieved playing with mcdavid, mind you.

 

[HockeydownUnder]

36 minutes ago, kloubek said:

Basically agree. I'm not expecting "better", really.... Unless perhaps we did have the Sedins scoring for one more season AND we get a boeseresque surprise in a young guy like Pettersson like you said or Gaudette.  Really, if then Sedins don't do one last season I expect an even worse season.

 

I really expect Pettersson spends a year in the AHL but again, that was expected of Boeser as well.  I'd LOVE to see him tear up camp, but being a totally different system out there on different ice, its even more of a challenge for him. Still, with that mature level of skill you never know.

 

If we don't bring back the Sedins, I'm fine with a 2 year w/ntc for Vanek. I said 2m again but if it was even less its almost a no brainer just to suppliment scoring and we know how he plays in our system.  (Quite well). Maroon is an interesting type of player to add toughness in the forward group... and I suppose we wouldnt be too concerned about his cap hit if it was 1-2 years.

 

I wouldn't discount Grabner. I think he'd be a perfect fit on our team. Solid penalty killer and he is extremely good at putting up points at even strength from the third line.

The idea of Eriksson, Gaudette, Grabner on our third line would have me excited. All 3 are really good in their own end and together they would be able to put up a respectable amount of points. Grabner will sign to a low term contract. Erikssons value would be increased throughout the league and Grabner could be sold after a year or two to gain more assets. That leaves Sutter centering our 4th line and Gagner to fill any hole that comes up due to injuries. Grabner fetched a 2nd rounder and a throw in prospect this year at the deadline.

Also for what it is worth they could be called the EGG line

[JeremyCuddles]

I like Vanek and would welcome him back. Not sure we have the spots though. Especially if Pettersson, Dahlen, and Gaudette make this team. Dahlen is a bit hopeful, arguably so is Pettersson. But still. Goldy should get a spot next year. I have been impressed with his game lately. Archie I'd like to see be a mainstay in our bottom 6 going forward. Gaunce is whatever, we could lose him or bring him back. Matters not. Dowd as an extra forward at best. Being a regular is probably a no-no. Granny, Baer, Jake, Gagner, Sutter, Eriksson, Bo, Boeser, Leipsic, Motte would round it out to about 18 skaters. Not including long shot hopefuls in Boucher, Lind, Gadjovich etc. Can maybe throw in whoever we potentially draft top 5 this year, assuming it's not first overall. AND I left out the Sedins from that list. Lol.

 

Praying we find a new home for Gags, Granny/Baer, and Eriksson at the draft, but Eriksson is extremely doubtful to be moved until the final 2 years of his deal since his NTC is less troublesome then. I am all for having vets to keep things somewhat competitive but at some point our tweeners/young guys need to be given legit shots at proving their mettle. Long story short is I like him but would like to give legit shots to some younger guys. 

[gregthehockeynut]

  After watching the Nashville game and seeing how much faster the forward groups are without Vanek and Erikson I don't see management signing Vanek. Even the twins are an unlikely resigning unless they are ok with almost exclusively being PP specialists/mentors. The playoff officiating will be a guide to whether the NHL will stick to the hook/slash crackdown or backslide again like some years past. Either way it's a new era where speed is crucial and you can only have a very limited number of slow PP specialists. Teams can't make the playoff points needed in the first 50-60 regular season games when it's more run and gun and special teams requiring a lot of team speed. We still need a blend of size with the speedy smaller players but still being young players with speed if not elite skill {virtannen etc.}. I don't think you can have all four : Erikson,Vanek and the Sedins on your roster in today's NHL, two max is my guess.

[cowboy644]

On ‎2018‎-‎02‎-‎28 at 4:28 AM, HockeydownUnder said:

Probably the only things that will realistically make the Canucks a better team next year is some youth maturing and for our players to stay healthy.

I think that chances are that Pettersson has one more year to mature physically and at this point I think that will be best for his development. That being said, with how he has played, I wouldn't be shocked for him to force his way into the lineup.

I think if someone like Maroon or Grabner becomes available, I'd be happy to get them on a 1 or 2 year deal and look to deal them come the deadline. If the Canucks cannot find anyone like that, I'd be happy to have Vanek back to continue putting up points and mentor Brock as well

Jesus dude.Petterson is the top player in the top tier league in Sweden.One of the top leagues in the world and you want to send him to the Canucks minor league team.How is that there are rookies being drafted and going straight to their nhl clubs and excelling in their first year like a Barzal,yet posters like you want a high draft pick who is excelling this year sent down next year..This is one of those players that should be left to learn in the nhl.His size.maybe a little light but this is the new nhl.Smaller guys are excelling.Even before now they were guys like Pat Kane and Gudrea that come to mind.Smarts and speed compensate for size.As for Vanek, just no.His signing is not  going to change the Canucks standing next year.If its a difference between 29th 0r 30th does it really matter?I think not.The twins being signed for a year to be "mentors" doesn't make sense either.Being  around them when they were better players a few years ago for a few years mentoring does.Them being 50 point players isn't so much an argument for re-signing as a damnation of Benning and Linden to the fact that two 38 year old players are your higher point getters on this team.If Vanek is signed this summer as a free agent then I won't be signing up for center ice again.I can just watch cbc and sportsnet games here in Calgary to see the same old same old.I can watch the same failings again at the trade deadline.Deep breath and long sigh.

[Wanless]

I’d like to see him back, he was one of the more exciting guys to watch this year. He could also be paired with fellow veteran eriksson to insulate pettersson. This will also let Lind mature in the AHL and get used to the longer seasons

 

Give him 2x2 mil with a no move for first year and limited no trade for second year

 

there’ a thread talking about eriksson and how he needs to play with better players to succeed. This could be the ticket to getting the most out of him

 

Sven-Bo-Brock 

Eriksson-Pettersson-Vanek

Granlund-Sutter-Virtanen

Gaunce-Gaudette-Archibald 

Leipsic