Man Katy Perry Kissed On 'American Idol' Says He Didn't Like It

[Dral]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

I don't agree FTG.  The concept (I think you're presenting?) is that of "force".  Men are bigger, stronger, and more intimidating (to women) than the other way around.  If the sexes were reversed, there is always the belief the man could "force" the girl into going further.  In this case, there is not the belief Miss Perry could force this guy into going further.  

Men and women are different.  Sure there are outliers, but in the vast majority of circumstances the man would be much stronger, aggressive, and intimidating than the girl.

There are a lot of men who are very intimidated by women, especially being alone with them...

 

 

26 minutes ago, SabreFan1 said:

Fair enough.  It's just a subject that is seriously starting to wear on me. 

 

There are too many feminists out there not just looking for gender equality, but for gender-based advantages.  At least in the USA, the backlash will eventually come.  My guess is that it will eventually hit women the hardest in the workplace. 

 

If I were the CEO of a large company, I'd at the very least install cameras anywhere that men and women work together.  I'd also make a policy that no mixed gender private meetings are to be held without at least one extra person in the room.

 

It already is... did you at least skim the article I posted about mentorship ? A female CEO is worried that women are going to be left behind because men are afraid to mentor women because of possible sexual assault allegations... because mentoring generally happens in a 1 on 1 environment. If a business woman can't get help with things like that, she is going to be left behind if her male competitors are getting that help

[Gurn]

9 minutes ago, SabreFan1 said:

You forget that I live in the USA.  As a CEO, I would worry much less about same sex harassment because all you would need is one homophobic person on the jury and there's no way you'd lose.  In the US, we have plenty of homophobic people so chances are I'd get multiple people on the jury who would find in my favour.

This is true, which I find very sad.

[Alflives]

7 minutes ago, Dral said:

There are a lot of men who are very intimidated by women, especially being alone with them...

 

 

 

It already is... did you at least skim the article I posted about mentorship ? A female CEO is worried that women are going to be left behind because men are afraid to mentor women because of possible sexual assault allegations... because mentoring generally happens in a 1 on 1 environment. If a business woman can't get help with things like that, she is going to be left behind if her male competitors are getting that help

That may be true, but there is not the threat of that woman sexually assaulting the man.  Whereas, if roles are reversed, sexual assault is a potential.  Men are bigger, stronger, more intimidating, and more aggressive.  I doubt very many men would feel, when alone with a woman, there is a potential they are going to be sexually assaulted, or physically overpowered by that woman.  

[Sean Monahan]

19 minutes ago, SabreFan1 said:

Not me.  I didn't like that look when Miley Cyrus did it and I like it even less on Katy Perry.  In my opinion, most women look better with long hair.

I fully agree but it’s still Katy Perry. I’m pretty sure her SNL skit with the Elmo t-shirt was the moment I hit puberty. 

[Dral]

4 minutes ago, Alflives said:

That may be true, but there is not the threat of that woman sexually assaulting the man.  Whereas, if roles are reversed, sexual assault is a potential.  Men are bigger, stronger, more intimidating, and more aggressive.  I doubt very many men would feel, when alone with a woman, there is a potential they are going to be sexually assaulted, or physically overpowered by that woman.  

most likely not sexually assaulted, but it does happen... here's a ermmm... funny story?

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A hairdresser from the small Russian town of Meshchovsk has subdued a man who tried to rob her shop, and then raped him for three days in the utility room, Life.ru reports.

The incident occurred on Saturday, March 14. The working day was coming to an end at a small hairdressers, when a man armed with a gun rushed in and demanded the day’s earnings.

The frightened employees and customers agreed to fulfill his demand, but when the shop’s owner, 28-year-old Olga, was handing the money to the robber, she suddenly knocked him down on the floor and then tied him up with a hairdryer cord. The 32-year-old Viktor couldn’t have known that the woman was a yellow belt in karate.

Olga locked the unlucky robber in the utility room and told her colleagues that she was going to call the police – but didn’t do so. When everybody left home, she approached the man and ordered him to ‘take of his underpants’ threatening to hand him over to the police if he refuses to cooperate.

Olga (image from http://life.ru)

After that Olga raped her hostage for three long days. She chained Viktor to the radiator with pink furry handcuffs and fed him Viagra.

She eventually let the man go on Monday, March 16, saying: “Get out of my sight!”

Viktor went straight to hospital as his genitals were injured, and then to the police.

Olga was resentful when she was taken by the police.

“What a bastard,” the woman said about Viktor. “Yes, we had sex a couple of times. But I’ve bought him new jeans, gave him food and even gave him 1.000 roubles (around $ 30) when he left.”

After that she wrote a notice to the police claiming the man tried to rob her shop.

Both Olga and Viktor may now face prison terms. The woman could be convicted of rape, while the man of robbery.

As for "physically over powered"... well... there is a LOT of physical violence against men from women...

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, Dral said:

most likely not sexually assaulted, but it does happen... here's a ermmm... funny story?

As for "physically over powered"... well... there is a LOT of physical violence against men from women...

Could happen, but it's not the norm.  Very few men feel, when alone with a women, physically threatened. 

That's why there isn't the outrage over Miss Perry's kiss, that we would see if sex roles were reversed.  She kissed him, but there could not be more than just that.  He could easily fend off any further advances.  Reverse roles, and the girl would not (likely) be able to fend off a man.    

[-DLC-]

To be truthful, in considering all we've learned in this world, I found this totally creepy.  Respecting others' personal space and boundaries is important despite gender.  

 

I have to admit...I still do laugh at things like "man card revoked", but is it fair?  This man may actually be gay and this completely awkward to him.  We can't just reach in and grab, kiss, whatever anymore.  It's not cool, no matter who it is.

 

Especially on national TV and with a huge audience.  

 

We all should know/do better by now.   As a woman who doesn't appreciate someone violating my personal space and boundaries, it's also unacceptable for women to be at the delivery end of that too.  No double standards.

 

And, in reading some of the comments, it isn't just about feeling safe or unsafe.  It's about someone approaching you in a way that you may not want or feel comfortable with.   There are sexual abuse survivors out there...this could be a huge blow if that was the case.  There are SO many things to consider here.  It's not about who it was ("Katy Perry") but, more importantly, who it was at the receiving end.  We don't know that.

[SabreFan1]

32 minutes ago, Dral said:

It already is... did you at least skim the article I posted about mentorship ? A female CEO is worried that women are going to be left behind because men are afraid to mentor women because of possible sexual assault allegations... because mentoring generally happens in a 1 on 1 environment. If a business woman can't get help with things like that, she is going to be left behind if her male competitors are getting that help

I read it, but I came to that conclusion before when things began to get out of hand with certain aspects of this current movement. 

[Dral]

1 minute ago, Alflives said:

Could happen, but it's not the norm.  Very few men feel, when alone with a women, physically threatened. 

That's why there isn't the outrage over Miss Perry's kiss, that we would see if sex roles were reversed.  She kissed him, but there could not be more than just that.  He could easily fend off any further advances.  Reverse roles, and the girl would not (likely) be able to fend off a man.    

FEELING safe or unsafe is very very different from actually BEING safe or unsafe...

 

Here are some scary statistics for you that show it's a lot more common then people think

 

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Female-on-male rape is under-researched compared to other forms of sexual violence.^[13] Statistics on the prevalence of female-on-male sexual violence vary. One study (Hannon et al.) found 23.4% of women and 10.5% of men reported they were raped while 6.6% of women and 10.5% of men reported they were victims of attempted rape.^[14] A 2010–2012 study by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) found that 86.5% of male rape victims reported only male perpetrators,^[8] (down from 93.3% in the previous study published in 2010).^[9] One in 17 men (5.9%) reported being made to penetrate at some point in their lives^[8] (up from 4.8% in 2010).^[9] The surveys also found that male victims often reported only female perpetrators in instances of being made to penetrate (2012: 78.5%, 2010: 79.2%), sexual coercion (2012: 81.6%, 2010: 83.6%), and unwanted sexual contact (2012: 53.0%, 2010: 53.1%).^[8][9] A 2008 study of 98 men interviewed on the United States National Crime Victimization Survey found that nearly half of the men (46%) who reported some form of sexual victimization were victimized by women.^[15]

 

https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/NISVS-StateReportBook.pdf

 

 

When it comes to physical violence... things get worse....

[Dral]

3 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

To be truthful, in considering all we've learned in this world, I found this totally creepy.  Respecting others' personal space and boundaries is important despite gender.  

 

I have to admit...I still do laugh at things like "man card revoked", but is it fair?  This man may actually be gay and this completely awkward to him.  We can't just reach in and grab, kiss, whatever anymore.  It's not cool, no matter who it is.

 

Especially on national TV and with a huge audience.  

 

We all should know/do better by now.   As a woman who doesn't appreciate someone violating my personal space and boundaries, it's also unacceptable for women to be at the delivery end of that too.  No double standards.

Did you watch the video? I didn't think much of it until the very end when she stood up gleefully and proud and said "Yeah, I got him!"

[SabreFan1]

17 minutes ago, Sean Monahan said:

I fully agree but it’s still Katy Perry. I’m pretty sure her SNL skit with the Elmo t-shirt was the moment I hit puberty. 

Don't get me wrong, she still has a beautiful face and some very nice curves to her.  I definitely wouldn't kick her out of my bed if she crawled under the covers, but I was disappointed when she chopped off her hair.

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, Dral said:

FEELING safe or unsafe is very very different from actually BEING safe or unsafe...

 

Here are some scary statistics for you that show it's a lot more common then people think

 

 

https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/NISVS-StateReportBook.pdf

 

 

When it comes to physical violence... things get worse....

 How old were these men, when they were victimized?  Even this research indicates that vast majority of male victims were abused by men.  

For a man (not a boy) to feel unsafe in the presence of a woman is very rare. 

What Miss Perry did was completely wrong, and (IMHAO) mean spirited.  However, the potential for her to force this young man to do more than he wanted is highly unlikely.  Again, if roles are reversed, the woman could certainly be forced.  There in lies the difference.

[Dral]

3 minutes ago, Alflives said:

 How old were these men, when they were victimized?  Even this research indicates that vast majority of male victims were abused by men.  

For a man (not a boy) to feel unsafe in the presence of a woman is very rare. 

What Miss Perry did was completely wrong, and (IMHAO) mean spirited.  However, the potential for her to force this young man to do more than he wanted is highly unlikely.  Again, if roles are reversed, the woman could certainly be forced.  There in lies the difference.

The quote was talking about all men being abused by women... the link shows more stats

 

And again, FEELING unsafe and actually BEING unsafe are two different things... just because you feel safe doesn't mean you are actually safe... and the stats show that men actually SHOULD feel unsafe around women... we just don't

[Sean Monahan]

13 minutes ago, SabreFan1 said:

Don't get me wrong, she still has a beautiful face and some very nice curves to her.  I definitely wouldn't kick her out of my bed if she crawled under the covers, but I was disappointed when she chopped off her hair.

Eh, her body to do with it what she pleases. Still better looking than just about any woman who I’ll ever have a shot with lol. 

[RonMexico]

I dunno. Conservative or not, getting a kiss from Katy Perry in this circumstance hardly counts as the romantic gesture he has dreamt kissing to be.

 

Aaaand as expected, this thread is going off the rails...

[Gurn]

14 minutes ago, Alflives said:

However, the potential for her to force this young man to do more than he wanted is highly unlikely.

Why are you focusing on "potential' when this thread is about an actual event?

[Monty]

16 minutes ago, Alflives said:

What Miss Perry did was completely wrong, and (IMHAO) mean spirited.

This was exactly what my wife and my mom said about it. 

[riffraff]

Maybe there is more for this guy to gain by playing this card and he knows it.

 

/Devils advocate

[NucksPatsFan]

Anyone else unable to get that page 1 gif out of their head? 

[SabreFan1]

19 minutes ago, Sean Monahan said:

Eh, her body to do with it what she pleases. Still better looking than just about any woman who I’ll ever have a shot with lol. 

She could chop off an arm if she wants to.  It doesn't affect me one way or the other.  In the grand scheme of things, I'll just go from just being disappointed with her hair to being disappointed with her hair and her choice of having only a single arm.  I'm a bit shallow that way...  Although again, I still wouldn't kick her and her single arm out of bed.