Rob_Zepp Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 2 hours ago, HKSR said: 3 elite forwards - Matthews, Marner, Tavares A top offensive defenceman - Reilly A very good checking centre - Kadri And now a proven quality defenceman in Muzzin A winning coach - Babcock So 'not' a chance because why? Because they're the Leafs? I'm a die hard Canucks fan, but I also see what the Leafs have going for them... They have a legitimate shot at the Cup if they stay healthy. They don't often seem to play like a team when they need to, they are lacking "playoff" toughness, they don't have great options in terms of playoff experience if their No. 1 goalie goes down or has a tough stretch, etc. etc. The big one for me will be when they show in the first round of the playoffs that they can play a playoff style. You can put up that sort of list for any one of ten or twelve teams with at least half of them, in my opinion, play more like a "team". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: good to see the Toronto thinking is getting back to normal. I was worried for a minute there. That would have made TO the team to beat in the east imo, if they added those two d to the mix. The only simple "dollar in dollar out" scenario is trying to find a taker for Zaitsev (good luck). I'd consider taking it on as a cap dump for the right return (and taking back say a Gagner) but Dubas doesn't seem to think he needs to pay a price to either get good players or clear bad cap (and LAK sure didn't prove him wrong). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Just now, aGENT said: I'd consider taking it on as a cap dump for the right return (and taking back say a Gagner) but Dubas doesn't seem to think he needs to pay a price to either get good players or clear bad cap (and LAK sure didn't prove him wrong). I was trying to think of what would be worth Zaitzie's contract from TOs prospect pool..... not much tbh. I'd rather Benning helps load up one of TOs playoff opponents I dunno, I liked the Muzzin deal. Could LA have got more? maybe. But clearly they weren't being offered more. I guess they could have had more patience but I understand going with a 'good enough' deal to get the rebuild process moving. Pretty easy to like it from TOs side. I'm more curious about the 31 thoughts (#5) making it sound like Liljegren wasn't wanted in the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said: I was trying to think of what would be worth Zaitzie's contract from TOs prospect pool..... not much tbh. I'd rather Benning helps load up one of TOs playoff opponents Agreed on both 2 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: I dunno, I liked the Muzzin deal. Could LA have got more? maybe. But clearly they weren't being offered more. I guess they could have had more patience but I understand going with a 'good enough' deal to get the rebuild process moving. Pretty easy to like it from TOs side. Yeah I think Blake jumped the gun personally. Even one A- prospect and the pick would have been better (not that TOR has much available in that tier, as you pointed out above). IMO you need to get at least one relatively 'sure' thing when moving a top 3 D, and they did not. They got three pieces that are more likely than not, to be nothing in the long term. So yeah, pretty easy to like from the TOR side Here's hope they go back to &^@#ing up so we don't have to hear even more of the onslaught of how amazing they are. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 11 minutes ago, aGENT said: Agreed on both Yeah I think Blake jumped the gun personally. Even one A- prospect and the pick would have been better (not that TOR has much available in that tier, as you pointed out above). IMO you need to get at least one relatively 'sure' thing when moving a top 3 D, and they did not. They got three pieces that are more likely than not, to be nothing in the long term. So yeah, pretty easy to like from the TOR side Here's hope they go back to &^@#ing up so we don't have to hear even more of the onslaught of how amazing they are. true, but they have time to find out. LAs going to suck for a while. People moaning about Loui's contract need to check out LAs contract situation, they have a few of those. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: true, but they have time to find out. LAs going to suck for a while. People moaning about Loui's contract need to check out LAs contract situation, they have a few of those. The people moaning about LE and his contract have no idea how good we have it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 4 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said: They don't often seem to play like a team when they need to, they are lacking "playoff" toughness, they don't have great options in terms of playoff experience if their No. 1 goalie goes down or has a tough stretch, etc. etc. The big one for me will be when they show in the first round of the playoffs that they can play a playoff style. You can put up that sort of list for any one of ten or twelve teams with at least half of them, in my opinion, play more like a "team". I'm not sure there's ten or twelve teams with 3 elite forwards and a PPG defenceman lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, HKSR said: I'm not sure there's ten or twelve teams with 3 elite forwards and a PPG defenceman lol I disagree. You definition of elite perhaps would exclude teams like Boston or Pittsburgh. Mine doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Rob_Zepp said: I disagree. You definition of elite perhaps would exclude teams like Boston or Pittsburgh. Mine doesn't. What's the other 10 teams with 3 forwards of that caliber and a PPG defenceman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 4 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: true, but they have time to find out. LAs going to suck for a while. People moaning about Loui's contract need to check out LAs contract situation, they have a few of those. They also have 2 cups so who cares. They'll go thru rebuild just like we are but they have cups. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNucks1 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Just now, WHL rocks said: They also have 2 cups so who cares. They'll go thru rebuild just like we are but they have cups. yeah i'd switch places with them if that means we got 2 cups in the process. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Just now, TNucks1 said: yeah i'd switch places with them if that means we got 2 cups in the process. Kings are super smart. They recognize that guys like Muzzin are now old, slow, and crappy, and they are trading those old crappy guys for futures to stupid teams, who are ran by child GMs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNucks1 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, Alflives said: Kings are super smart. They recognize that guys like Muzzin are now old, slow, and crappy, and they are trading those old crappy guys for futures to stupid teams, who are ran by child GMs. wouldnt really call muzzins crappy, maybe getting older, but not crappy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, TNucks1 said: wouldnt really call muzzins crappy, maybe getting older, but not crappy. Okay, Muzzin isn’t crappy. How about he’s not very good, and can’t skate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 hour ago, HKSR said: What's the other 10 teams with 3 forwards of that caliber and a PPG defenceman? Google is your friend. The PPG Dman is a silly part of your Leaf obsession. A 0.8 PG Dman can offer a lot more than a PPG can to three elite forwards - look at NYI for one such example. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Alflives said: Okay, Muzzin isn’t crappy. How about he’s not very good, and can’t skate? Neither of which is true though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionized27 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 20 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Neither of which is true though. Indeed, he can skate and he's not terrible defensively...but he's not the "answer" to the Leafs defensive issues. It'll take Keith and probably Seabrook as well to make those changes. /$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Lionized27 said: Indeed, he can skate and he's not terrible defensively...but he's not the "answer" to the Leafs defensive issues. It'll take Keith and probably Seabrook as well to make those changes. /$ Agreed he's a very good dman but they need help on the right side truthfully. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 13 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said: Google is your friend. The PPG Dman is a silly part of your Leaf obsession. A 0.8 PG Dman can offer a lot more than a PPG can to three elite forwards - look at NYI for one such example. Lol you and I know there's only 4 or 5 teams with the depth and completeness in the Leafs lineup. Don't be such a Canucks homer to not be able to acknowledge that the Leafs are now a legitimate Cup candidate. PS - I hate the Leafs with a passion, but that doesn't mean they suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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