Linus Karlsson | C

[Ray_Cathode]

On 4/11/2022 at 2:10 AM, Baggins said:

The proof we don't see a direct represention is in the various forms of optical illusions, We often believe we see something correctly only to find what we believe we saw isn't actually correct. 

How did the concept of “optical illusion” get its meaning? It got its meaning derivatively from the logically prior concept of, pardon the redundancy, valid perception. Without valid perceptions, there can be no such concept as illusion. To claim so is to utter the fallacy of the stolen concept - which is to claim a concept as valid while simultaneously denying the root concept on which it depends.  In order to establish your ‘theory’ you’d not only have to disprove logic (by what method - logic?), you would have to deny evolution by natural selection. The senses obviously have survival value, or we would not have evolved them. That survival value comes from the information about our environment that allows us to not only negotiate it, but to flourish.

 

The second problem, is that the senses do not operate in isolation - they operate in conjunction with all the other senses - each confirming or questioning the information provided by other perceptual systems - we have multiple methods of validation. Thirdly, it is not that the senses are ‘fooled’ by illusions - the senses perceive what they perceive - the issue is not with the senses, which are entirely mechanistic, but in our interpretation of what we are perceiving.

 

Fourthly, the fact that the organs of perception have a method, or means, does in no way invalidate them. Unlike ancient philosophers and modern psychologists, the object of the senses is not to provide a ‘mirror’ of reality as some form of ‘perfect’ Platonic knowledge, the teleological purpose of the organs of perception, is to provide information about the environment to guide our choices and actions toward the goal of survival. Invalid perceptions would not aid that purpose. 
 

Now, let’s examine how an illusion works. Take the natural “illusion” of a stick poked into water - the stick appears to be bent, omg, therefore my senses are invalid! Nope. Our perception actually contains the means to determine the fact that the velocity of light changes as it moves through media of differing densities - if our senses didn’t provide those implications, we could never form a concept of illusion in the first place. The concept of illusion only has meaning in a context of valid perceptions. If all perception is illusion we lose the concept of illusion because we would have nothing to contrast it against. 
 

And my perceptions tell me that Karlssen is a promising prospect!  

[Baggins]

58 minutes ago, Ray_Cathode said:

How did the concept of “optical illusion” get its meaning? It got its meaning derivatively from the logically prior concept of, pardon the redundancy, valid perception. Without valid perceptions, there can be no such concept as illusion. To claim so is to utter the fallacy of the stolen concept - which is to claim a concept as valid while simultaneously denying the root concept on which it depends.  In order to establish your ‘theory’ you’d not only have to disprove logic (by what method - logic?), you would have to deny evolution by natural selection. The senses obviously have survival value, or we would not have evolved them. That survival value comes from the information about our environment that allows us to not only negotiate it, but to flourish.

 

The second problem, is that the senses do not operate in isolation - they operate in conjunction with all the other senses - each confirming or questioning the information provided by other perceptual systems - we have multiple methods of validation. Thirdly, it is not that the senses are ‘fooled’ by illusions - the senses perceive what they perceive - the issue is not with the senses, which are entirely mechanistic, but in our interpretation of what we are perceiving.

 

Fourthly, the fact that the organs of perception have a method, or means, does in no way invalidate them. Unlike ancient philosophers and modern psychologists, the object of the senses is not to provide a ‘mirror’ of reality as some form of ‘perfect’ Platonic knowledge, the teleological purpose of the organs of perception, is to provide information about the environment to guide our choices and actions toward the goal of survival. Invalid perceptions would not aid that purpose. 
 

Now, let’s examine how an illusion works. Take the natural “illusion” of a stick poked into water - the stick appears to be bent, omg, therefore my senses are invalid! Nope. Our perception actually contains the means to determine the fact that the velocity of light changes as it moves through media of differing densities - if our senses didn’t provide those implications, we could never form a concept of illusion in the first place. The concept of illusion only has meaning in a context of valid perceptions. If all perception is illusion we lose the concept of illusion because we would have nothing to contrast it against. 
 

And my perceptions tell me that Karlssen is a promising prospect!  

Your brain can misinterpret what the eye sees. Do you actually believe everything the eye sees is prefectly translated by the brain? Do you not believe sometimes the brain translation of what the eyes sees is influenced by personal thought process such as a bias or belief? 

[aGENT]

46 minutes ago, Baggins said:

Your brain can misinterpret what the eye sees. Do you actually believe everything the eye sees is prefectly translated by the brain? Do you not believe sometimes the brain translation of what the eyes sees is influenced by personal thought process such as a bias or belief? 

We are all hallucinating, all the time.

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

3 minutes ago, aGENT said:

We are all hallucinating, all the time.

It’s all a simulation anyway. 

[aGENT]

3 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

It’s all a simulation anyway. 

Sort of, we're just all running our own simulations lol

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

6 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Sort of, we're just all running our own simulations lol

Maybe we’re all running our own simulations inside a simulation?  

[Gurn]

1 hour ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

Maybe we’re all running our own simulations inside a simulation?  

 

And doing it simultaneously?

[WeneedLumme]

On 4/12/2022 at 6:33 PM, Baggins said:

Your brain can misinterpret what the eye sees. Do you actually believe everything the eye sees is prefectly translated by the brain? Do you not believe sometimes the brain translation of what the eyes sees is influenced by personal thought process such as a bias or belief? 

Absolutely. Ask any cop about the consistency of eyewitness accounts from different people who all saw the same thing but remember it differently.

[4petesake]

On 4/12/2022 at 6:33 PM, Baggins said:

Your brain can misinterpret what the eye sees. Do you actually believe everything the eye sees is prefectly translated by the brain? Do you not believe sometimes the brain translation of what the eyes sees is influenced by personal thought process such as a bias or belief? 

Your nose is always in your field of vision but your brain decides it isn’t important to see so it erases it for you. Selective little bugger, the brain!

[Googlie]

LK just named to Sweden's national team for the upcoming Worlds

 

• Canucks prospect forward Linus Karlsson will be joining the Swedish National Team in preparation for the upcoming World Championships, notes Rick Dhaliwal of CHEK and The Athletic (Twitter link). The 2018 third-rounder impressed in his first SHL season, tallying 26 goals and 20 assists in 52 games.  He has to sign his entry-level deal by June 1st or Vancouver will lose his rights.  Worth noting is that Karlsson is already under contract with Skelleftea for next season but that wouldn’t prevent him from signing an NHL contract.

 

 

Edited April 16, 2022 by Googlie

[Ray_Cathode]

On 4/11/2022 at 3:49 PM, VegasCanuck said:

WE SIGN HIM YET?????????????? 

Just wanted to get a panic post in before anyone else...

Love the chorus line of panic emojis in synchronized melt down. Probably deserves some kind of political wisecrack, but what the heck, it’s Saturday. But yes, very intrigued to see this kid vs nhl opposition.

[Googlie]

Why hasn't Allvin signed him to an ELC yet??   Doesn't he know anything about Swedish hockey??  

[73 Percent]

5 minutes ago, Googlie said:

Why hasn't Allvin signed him to an ELC yet??   Doesn't he know anything about Swedish hockey??  

Is there an reason behind why the talks have been so quiet?

[Googlie]

7 minutes ago, 73 Percent said:

Is there an reason behind why the talks have been so quiet?

Dunno. -  maybe the 1 more year in Sweden is scaring them off.  But with just 4 weeks remaining to sign him, we risk badly losing the JD trade ... Dahlen has been a regular for San Jose (12 goals and 10 assists in 61 games, albeit -25)

[73 Percent]

2 hours ago, Googlie said:

Dunno. -  maybe the 1 more year in Sweden is scaring them off.  But with just 4 weeks remaining to sign him, we risk badly losing the JD trade ... Dahlen has been a regular for San Jose (12 goals and 10 assists in 61 games, albeit -25)

He started hott but has been aweful since. He fell down the lineup hard and is a major reason they sucked this year. Regardless, I hope LK gets pen to paper sooner than later. We can't afford to be losing potential nhlers. 

[VegasCanuck]

7 hours ago, Googlie said:

Dunno. -  maybe the 1 more year in Sweden is scaring them off.  But with just 4 weeks remaining to sign him, we risk badly losing the JD trade ... Dahlen has been a regular for San Jose (12 goals and 10 assists in 61 games, albeit -25)

My impression of why Benning moved him was his reluctance to put in the work learning to play both ends of the ice. I think Dahlen thought that he was better defensively than he actually was.

 

I think the reason we haven't signed him yet is the upcoming tournament.

Edited May 3, 2022 by VegasCanuck

[Googlie]

2 hours ago, VegasCanuck said:

My impression of why Benning moved him was his reluctance to put in the work learning to play both ends of the ice. I think Dahlen thought that he was better defensively than he actually was.

 

I think the reason we haven't signed him yet is the upcoming tournament.

Yeah  -  Rutherford commented on that in his presser today ... said they'd talked to Linus and he was excited to be coming to prospects camp.  Both JR and Allvin seemed blissfully unaware that we only hold his rights for 4 more weeks until June 1 (or if they are, didn't mention it or display any sense of urgency)

[VegasCanuck]

7 minutes ago, Googlie said:

Yeah  -  Rutherford commented on that in his presser today ... said they'd talked to Linus and he was excited to be coming to prospects camp.  Both JR and Allvin seemed blissfully unaware that we only hold his rights for 4 more weeks until June 1 (or if they are, didn't mention it or display any sense of urgency)

Maybe they signed him and everyone missed it???

 

[Googlie]

14 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said:

Maybe they signed him and everyone missed it???

 

That'd be great,  but Capfriendly would have picked it up.  Unless signed before, we lose rights to Karlsson and Utonen on June 1, and Tryamkin on June 30

[4petesake]

4 minutes ago, Googlie said:

That'd be great,  but Capfriendly would have picked it up.  Unless signed before, we lose rights to Karlsson and Utonen on June 1, and Tryamkin on June 30

Answers to questions we would have liked to hear from PA & JR today.