Caphit Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) On 6/19/2019 at 4:13 PM, kingofsurrey said: Eight questions for Justin Trudeau So a few blunt questions for the PM, who continues to publicly peddle the dubious line that Canadians can have it both ways, while privately linking arms with the CEOs. 1. Since Canada is already on track to miss its emission targets set in Paris by 79 megatonnes (only Gambia and Morocco are on target), how do you justify greenlighting a project that will add 20 per cent to carbon emissions from the Alberta tar sands? 20% of nothing. Big deal. Horse@#$% meant to fool idiots. Quote 2. You once said that only communities could issue the social license for mega projects like this. So what do you say to the Squamish Nation, and the cities of Vancouver and Burnaby who have not granted that social license? What do you say to the 95% who approve? Who cares as long as the rich tribes taken care of by the Sierra Club are happy. Quote 3. If expanding Trans Mountain is such an economic winner, why did Kinder Morgan happily unload this project on the Canadian people? Where were the rugged captains of private industry when this “jewel” went up for sale? Because they knew nutbars would be empowered to stop construction. Duuuuuh. Quote 4. You have said time after time that getting a pipeline to tidewater to ship this highest-cost, low-quality product to Asian markets was critical. Since Canadians now own Trans Mountain, can you reveal any contracts with Asian countries, including China, that back up that assertion? The product is highly sought after due to refining margins. More deception. Quote 5. You have publicly committed to saving endangered resident orcas, now down to 74, in the Salish Sea off the B.C. coast. How does increasing the tanker traffic seven-fold in that area support that goal, especially given the National Energy Board’s own assessment that the project would have “significant adverse effects” on the whales? Whales are starving from lack of salmon because fry are poisoned in the fraser. Noise pollution. What a joke. There were as many ships back when the population was thriving. 278 ships instead of 250. wow! https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/salmon-toxins-fraser-river-sewage-treatment-bc-washington-seattle-study-chinook-orca-1.4768277 Quote There’s no question that orca whales will be harmed by the Trans Mountain expansion. Photo via NOAA. 6. A foundational value you constantly espouse is evidence-based policy, as opposed to Stephen Harper’s practice of consulting his belly button. The UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change says the world has just 11 years to reduce greenhouse gas emissions or the damage will be catastrophic and irreversible. How is expanding Trans Mountain, and continuing to develop more fossil fuels a policy based on science? Science says demand must be curbed when there is unlimited supply. Too easy. Quote 7. In announcing the Trans Mountain decision, you said that you would not have made it if you thought it would put the B.C. coast at risk. Part of your optimism is based on alleged improvements to oil spill responses, which you now call “world-class.” Where was that world-class response in Newfoundland last year, when 250,000 litres of oil spilled from Husky Energy’s SeaRose Platform? None of the pollutant was recovered. How the heck can you even find a thousand barrels of oil in the Atlantic ocean. This is more nonsense meant to fool idiots. The gulf of Mexico spill was 46 million barrels. Quote 8. The true stewards of the land, particularly in British Columbia, have been Indigenous Peoples. They have seen a little further down the planetary road than a business sector obsessed with profit. Do you think it is an accomplishment to try to lure them into your world of development and consumption beyond sustainable limits by offering to sell them Trans Mountain, lock, stock and barrel? Pfft ...spare me the lies. Native communities want the project for the jobs and money it will bring them. A few corrupt elite tribes will screw the rest over for payola. Truly disgusting. Quote https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2019/06/19/Hard-Questions-PM-Pipelines-Climate-Emergency/ Who can believe the trash coming out of this rag? Edited June 21, 2019 by Caphit 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarcore Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 38 minutes ago, Caphit said: Who can believe the trash coming out of this rag? The Tyee is left slanted but it is far from a rag. Much of their reporting is rather well sourced. Those are valid questions..your answers not so much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caphit Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Gnarcore said: The Tyee is left slanted but it is far from a rag. Much of their reporting is rather well sourced. Those are valid questions..your answers not so much. Only if you read nothing but the tyee. Those questions are a laugh and I told you why quite clearly. What do you have to add besides nothing @Gnarcore Edited June 21, 2019 by Caphit 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedestroyerofworlds Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 11 hours ago, Caphit said: Who can believe the trash coming out of this rag? Would be nice if we could get a list of Caphit approved media that we can source. So we will avoid the usual "left-wing biased", "fake news" retort. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 2 hours ago, thedestroyerofworlds said: Would be nice if we could get a list of Caphit approved media that we can source. So we will avoid the usual "left-wing biased", "fake news" retort. Caphit gets all his information from ...... The Rebel Media...... LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 4 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: Caphit gets all his information from ...... The Rebel Media...... LOL Your opinion on anything in here is worthless. You spent the last year telling everyone how stupid Albertans were and they were her getting played. It appears the stupid ppl getting played are in Surrey. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caphit Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: Caphit gets all his information from ...... The Rebel Media...... LOL Spreading misinformation about the pipeline wont save your fish. It will keep money away from our social services. I get zero info from Rebel media. Sun news media did show me that all news media read from the same script. I found it unbelievable and, to be honest, it changed my perspective greatly. Edited June 22, 2019 by Caphit 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 14 hours ago, Ryan Strome said: Your opinion on anything in here is worthless. You spent the last year telling everyone how stupid Albertans were and they were her getting played. It appears the stupid ppl getting played are in Surrey. Your opinion means nothing. You are bought off and paid for already. $$$$ is certainly a powerful motivator for many. Hopefully our natural environment here in BC can recover before its too late for many west coast species as extinction looms. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violator Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 20 hours ago, Ryan Strome said: Your opinion on anything in here is worthless. You spent the last year telling everyone how stupid Albertans were and they were her getting played. It appears the stupid ppl getting played are in Surrey. Kos is a russian troll probably get indicted soon enough. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 10 minutes ago, Violator said: Kos is a russian troll probably get indicted soon enough. Yah anyone concerned about extinction of west coast species due to climate change is a communist. Right ? You are stuck in the 1950,s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violator Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 hour ago, kingofsurrey said: Yah anyone concerned about extinction of west coast species due to climate change is a communist. Right ? You are stuck in the 1950,s Species go extinct every day since the dawn of humanity. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 9 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: Your opinion means nothing. You are bought off and paid for already. $$$$ is certainly a powerful motivator for many. Hopefully our natural environment here in BC can recover before its too late for many west coast species as extinction looms. Interesting meanwhile you support BC lng. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Violator said: Species go extinct every day since the dawn of humanity. Insects becoming extinct is really bad. But I don’t think people have anything to do with it. Build pipelines. Build refineries. Build bridges. Build roads. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violator Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: Insects becoming extinct is really bad. But I don’t think people have anything to do with it. Build pipelines. Build refineries. Build bridges. Build roads. People are allergic to bees so we kill bees.mosquitos kill people and spread disease so we kill mosquitos.should we let people die instead of stopping bugs and saving the earth. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caphit Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Alflives said: Insects becoming extinct is really bad. But I don’t think people have anything to do with it. Build pipelines. Build refineries. Build bridges. Build roads. Trying to protect species from going extinct is fine by me. Recently, habitat restoration and breeding programs were set up to save a creature from my youth, the leopard frog. People didn't just throw up there hands and say "oh well, global warming, let's burn American oil instead of Canadian and save the planet". That's the solution we get from the lazy hippies around here. Useless. Unfortunately our leopard frogs are under attack from invasive bullfrogs now. Just can't win. Edited June 23, 2019 by Caphit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caphit Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 On 6/21/2019 at 11:45 AM, thedestroyerofworlds said: Would be nice if we could get a list of Caphit approved media that we can source. So we will avoid the usual "left-wing biased", "fake news" retort. Source any media you want, it's all the same. They promote globalism, or at best, refuse to offend it. That's the issue of the day. Of course Fox is the exception, but even they have too many swamp lovers. Fox will be gone as soon as Rupert's kids take control away from him. After that there'll just be a few platformless voices left to be wiped out. Of course globalism will never be achieved in any way. We'll be left with a weak western world. The strong survive, and we are not the strong atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Warhippy Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 On 6/24/2019 at 9:06 AM, Caphit said: Source any media you want, it's all the same. They promote globalism, or at best, refuse to offend it. That's the issue of the day. Of course Fox is the exception, but even they have too many swamp lovers. Fox will be gone as soon as Rupert's kids take control away from him. After that there'll just be a few platformless voices left to be wiped out. Of course globalism will never be achieved in any way. We'll be left with a weak western world. The strong survive, and we are not the strong atm. lol so fox is the only media entertainment outlet worth watching? Until murdochs kids take control? Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 (edited) It seems the federal government is actually doing what they said they would regarding oil spill response vessels-I was extremely sceptical having gotten used to being lied to by all of them. This, to me, clears a major hurdle for the pro pipeline side. https://www.timescolonist.com/news/local/new-spill-response-boats-sit-idle-in-nanaimo-awaiting-pipeline-decision-1.23651002 " Three new coastal oil spill response vessels — costing $5.8-million each — are now moored at Nanaimo’s visiting vessel pier but they’ll mostly sit idle and when they’ll go into service is unclear. The vessels are waiting for the future of the Trans Mountain oil pipeline expansion to be sorted out." " They were already built by ASL Shipyards in Singapore when construction of coastal bases for emergency response was put on hold last year, said Mike Lowry, spokesman for the industry-funded Western Canada Marine Response Corp. They were to be among 40 new vessels stationed along the coast as part of requirements for the pipeline project, ready to respond in the event of an oil spill. So far, four smaller workboats, one skimming vessel and the three response boats have been delivered. The pipeline expansion would allow for the transport of more oil from Alberta to a sea terminal at Burnaby, and then onto tankers for export overseas. Concern about increased tanker traffic prompted the plan to build coastal emergency response bases. Given that the pipeline expansion has been halted amid legal and political tangles, the vessels will remain moored in Nanaimo for the time being, Lowry said Friday. “Basically we will be running them periodically to make sure that they are in good condition and maintain them.” But there isn’t the money right now to hire crew and bring them into service, Lowry said." " Each sturdy response vessel is 82 feet long and 294 gross tonnes. Each will be equipped with $1.1 million worth of equipment, including a 2,500-foot-long self-inflating offshore containment boom. The vessels have 26 cubic metres of space for recovered oil. They were delivered via the Happy Dynamic cargo ship to Nanaimo and lifted by on-board cranes into the water. Two were secured onto the deck and the third was carried in the cargo area. If the pipeline project proceeds, the Gulf Sentinel will be based in Nanaimo, the Strait Sentinel will be in Beecher Bay, and the Coastal Sentinel will go to Ucluelet. Their top speed is 10 knots. “One of the things that we wanted to bring in was a vessel that could really handle the heavier weather on the coast,” Lowry said. “They are sort of slow and steady and they will get there.” They were also designed to serve as platform vessels at a spill site, where they could provide a staging area for equipment." ******** The Federal, and I suppose the Alberta, government would be well advised to publish the heck out of this news, It slipped past me, and I was keeping an eye out for news regarding vessel construction and purchase. 8 out of 40 ships already here, is a sign the Government is serious about clean up and not just paying the normal lip service to shut people up. Now I'd still like to see a refinery getting built in B.C., but major news and probably leaves me with minor quibbles regarding the project rather than deep reservations. Edited June 30, 2019 by gurn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 @gurn That's encouraging news. On your last point, don't you think there would be the same environmentalist uproar in B.C. if a refinery were built? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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