Federal Government Approves TMX Pipeline Again - Update: Supreme Court Dismisses Appeal

[JM_]

31 minutes ago, Mackcanuck said:

Does it mean they can't take those Environmental challenges to the Supreme Court?

 

 

they'd have to have actual grounds for appeal (like a judge made a mistake), and then the SCoC would actually have to agree to hear it, which isn't guaranteed. I guess there's a remote possibility but I think this angle is done. 

 

Trudeau now has to show that he did perform a reasonable consultation with First Nations. It doesn't mean every First Nations group has to be happy about it, just properly consulted.

 

We'll see but I think with the very large interest in this from several FNs investment groups and the consultation held so far that this pipeline will happen. 

[Gurn]

So this is the country we want sell the pipeline oil to?

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/china-is-increasingly-using-exit-bans-to-bar-americans-from-leaving/ar-AAHiF8L?ocid=spartandhp

 

WASHINGTON – Two young Americans, Victor and Cynthia Liu, are “trapped” in China, increasingly desperate and despondent because Chinese authorities have blocked them from leaving for more than a year.

“They are trapped. They are alone. They are desperate to come home,” David Pressman, the siblings’ New York-based attorney, told USA TODAY. “They are literally breaking down.”

The Lius are subject to a so-called “exit ban,” and they’re not they only ones.  

Another American citizen, Huang Wan, says Chinese officials are using a “fake” legal case to prevent her from returning to the United States. An Australian resident, Yuan Xiaoliang, has been barred from leaving China for more than eight months, and her husband, an Australian citizen, has been arrested on suspicion of spying, according to Australia’s foreign minister.

The State Department has warned Americans about China’s growing use of exit bans – stating in a Jan. 3 travel advisory that Chinese authorities have sometimes used exit bans to keep Americans in China for years.

[Violator]

On 9/14/2019 at 4:58 PM, gurn said:

So this is the country we want sell the pipeline oil to?

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/china-is-increasingly-using-exit-bans-to-bar-americans-from-leaving/ar-AAHiF8L?ocid=spartandhp

 

WASHINGTON – Two young Americans, Victor and Cynthia Liu, are “trapped” in China, increasingly desperate and despondent because Chinese authorities have blocked them from leaving for more than a year.

“They are trapped. They are alone. They are desperate to come home,” David Pressman, the siblings’ New York-based attorney, told USA TODAY. “They are literally breaking down.”

The Lius are subject to a so-called “exit ban,” and they’re not they only ones.  

Another American citizen, Huang Wan, says Chinese officials are using a “fake” legal case to prevent her from returning to the United States. An Australian resident, Yuan Xiaoliang, has been barred from leaving China for more than eight months, and her husband, an Australian citizen, has been arrested on suspicion of spying, according to Australia’s foreign minister.

The State Department has warned Americans about China’s growing use of exit bans – stating in a Jan. 3 travel advisory that Chinese authorities have sometimes used exit bans to keep Americans in China for years.

We sell oil to the states and they do sketchy stuff

[Lancaster]

On 9/14/2019 at 4:58 PM, gurn said:

So this is the country we want sell the pipeline oil to?

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/china-is-increasingly-using-exit-bans-to-bar-americans-from-leaving/ar-AAHiF8L?ocid=spartandhp

 

WASHINGTON – Two young Americans, Victor and Cynthia Liu, are “trapped” in China, increasingly desperate and despondent because Chinese authorities have blocked them from leaving for more than a year.

“They are trapped. They are alone. They are desperate to come home,” David Pressman, the siblings’ New York-based attorney, told USA TODAY. “They are literally breaking down.”

The Lius are subject to a so-called “exit ban,” and they’re not they only ones.  

Another American citizen, Huang Wan, says Chinese officials are using a “fake” legal case to prevent her from returning to the United States. An Australian resident, Yuan Xiaoliang, has been barred from leaving China for more than eight months, and her husband, an Australian citizen, has been arrested on suspicion of spying, according to Australia’s foreign minister.

The State Department has warned Americans about China’s growing use of exit bans – stating in a Jan. 3 travel advisory that Chinese authorities have sometimes used exit bans to keep Americans in China for years.

Canada should be doing its best to enter the Japanese market.  

 

 

Canada isn't even on the list.  

They should be selling to Japan, talking about how it's better to be trading with allies and to have a very secure source of oil without any potential interference with China.  

[Violator]

7 minutes ago, Lancaster said:

Canada should be doing its best to enter the Japanese market.  

 

 

Canada isn't even on the list.  

They should be selling to Japan, talking about how it's better to be trading with allies and to have a very secure source of oil without any potential interference with China.  

Japan has investments in our oil sands.I almost went and worked for a Japanese company a few years ago.

[Mackcanuck]

New technology moves oilsands bitumen in shipping container to West Coast

https://www.pipelinenewsnorth.ca/new-technology-moves-oilsands-bitumen-in-shipping-container-to-west-coast-1.23957648

 

Melius says the product meets regulatory requirements of the recently passed federal oil tanker ban in northern B.C. and can be exported from Prince Rupert.

"We have now proven that we can ship bitumen to international markets safely and efficiently," said Broder in a news release.

This report by The Canadian Press was first published Sept. 25, 2019.

[Mackcanuck]

Don Braid: An awful realization — a Liberal minority government means the end of Trans Mountain

Anybody who doesn’t think the Liberals would slide away from the pipeline, even after spending $4.5B for it, doesn't grasp their determination to stay in power

 

As this federal election campaign slips deeper into uncertainty, an awful realization dawns in the east.

The Trans Mountain pipeline expansion will never be built unless a majority government is elected.

After Justin Trudeau’s blackface fiasco, polls show the Liberals and Conservatives are virtually tied, making a minority very likely.

To govern, either big-party leader would have to strike a deal with Jagmeet Singh’s NDP and, possibly, Elizabeth May’s Greens.

Singh and May would both demand cancellation of the pipeline as a condition of supporting a minority.

 

MORE HERE

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/braid-the-final-lethal-pipeline-threat-a-liberal-minority/wcm/233a3d6d-6158-418e-82ff-8d17febade19

 

[Ryan Strome]

6 minutes ago, Mackcanuck said:

Don Braid: An awful realization — a Liberal minority government means the end of Trans Mountain

Anybody who doesn’t think the Liberals would slide away from the pipeline, even after spending $4.5B for it, doesn't grasp their determination to stay in power

 

As this federal election campaign slips deeper into uncertainty, an awful realization dawns in the east.

The Trans Mountain pipeline expansion will never be built unless a majority government is elected.

After Justin Trudeau’s blackface fiasco, polls show the Liberals and Conservatives are virtually tied, making a minority very likely.

To govern, either big-party leader would have to strike a deal with Jagmeet Singh’s NDP and, possibly, Elizabeth May’s Greens.

Singh and May would both demand cancellation of the pipeline as a condition of supporting a minority.

 

MORE HERE

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/braid-the-final-lethal-pipeline-threat-a-liberal-minority/wcm/233a3d6d-6158-418e-82ff-8d17febade19

 

Lol getting closer and closer to a cpc majority. The lead in Ontario for the liberals evaporated and if that's in the 905 the liberals are in big trouble.

[Violator]

3 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

Lol getting closer and closer to a cpc majority. The lead in Ontario for the liberals evaporated and if that's in the 905 the liberals are in big trouble.

Nobody gives two &^@#s about Transmountain east of alberta.

[Gnarcore]

2 hours ago, Violator said:

Nobody gives two &^@#s about Transmountain east of alberta.

Ya...they were busy crying about the pipeline that made the most sense Energy East...

[Ryan Strome]

13 hours ago, Violator said:

Nobody gives two &^@#s about Transmountain east of alberta.

Ok?????

[aGENT]

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To govern, either big-party leader would have to strike a deal with Jagmeet Singh’s NDP and, possibly, Elizabeth May’s Greens.

Singh and May would both demand cancellation of the pipeline as a condition of supporting a minority.

I'm sure that would be their opening gambit. Far more likely though they'd eventually come to a compromise to allow the pipeline while ensuring funding and legislature of some of their green initiatives.

[Ralph.]

Pretty decent rundown of the situation, yes? How does one say "quagmire" in Arabic?

 

I think you're right though, @aGENT. Greens/NDP will start with that but ultimately accept other concessions. I've never had a huge opinion one way or the other on TM, but now that I'm understanding some of the bigger problems involved I'm definitely shifting towards team "build it," — But it has to be part of a bigger solution. I remember doing some research on the oil history in Canada when I was in highschool and even then thought it was ridiculous that we weren't self reliant on our own supply before exporting the rest. 

 

Hey! Let's run a bakery and then buy grocery store bread for home. 

 

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/election-2019/kelly-mcparland-canada-simply-cant-have-an-adult-conversation-about-oil-and-climate

 

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Kelly McParland: Canada simply can't have an adult conversation about oil and climate

The climate debate is failing in Canada because it isn’t realistic. We’re a big country shackled by small thinking. We lack leadership, judgment and nerve

 

Is anything more convoluted and contradictory than the politics of oil? Or more bizarre than our refusal to face it?

 

Consider this: Canada has the ability to get off imported oil. We produce about twice as much each day as we use. It would be difficult, but not impossible, to ensure that, as Green party leader Elizabeth May suggests: “As long as we are using fossil fuels we should be using our fossil fuels.”

 

Self-sufficiency would have real environmental and economic benefits. It would ensure security of supply, and bring all production under domestic regulation. We can’t control how Saudi Arabia, Nigeria or Venezuela handle their production, but an all-Canadian market would ensure every barrel had to meet domestic environmental standards.

 

The reason we don’t do this is largely political. It would require building pipelines that activists oppose on environmental grounds, even though the alternative, shipping crude by rail, is worse for the environment, and more dangerous. It’s also cheaper to import foreign oil, even if it’s from countries with lower environmental standards.

 

Since we won’t take the steps to be self-sufficient, we import oil, much of it from Saudi Arabia. The Saudis, as is well known, lack the respect for human rights that Canadians enjoy. Women are treated as second class, political dissent brings long prison sentences, torture is common, executions frequent. Journalist Jamal Khashoggi was murdered and dismembered for angering the Crown Prince.

 

 

The Saudis have also been involved in a ruinous war with Houthi-Saleh forces in Yemen since 2015. The Houthis are supported by Iran. Recently a drone attack hit two important Saudi oil sites, disrupting world markets and increasing fears of an escalating conflict across the Middle East. As a result, the Trump administration is sending U.S. troops and military hardware to the Saudis, including air defence equipment to help deal with possible future attacks. The U.S. has also tightened sanctions on Iran, which has already seen its economy savaged by previous financial measures.

 

Does anyone recall the word “quagmire?” The United States has spent much of the past 60 years extracting itself from military entanglements just like the one it appears to be sliding into again. Generations of people protested against Vietnam, and opposed activities in Iraq and the prolonged U.S. presence in Afghanistan. If those conflicts proved anything, it’s that, once in, it’s very difficult to get out. U.S. troops have been in Afghanistan for 18 years. Donald Trump came this close to pulling them out recently, but backtracked at the last second when a peace deal fell through.

 

It stretches credulity to believe the same won’t happen in Saudi Arabia. As long as Iran remains a threat, which means as long as it is run by the current regime, Washington will feel the need to protect its interests. This puts the U.S. in the position of acting as protector to a country that rigidly enforces practices that are antithetical to everything Canadians believe in. Should conflict between Iran and the Saudis escalate, is there any doubt the U.S. would be sucked into it?

 

So, here we are, determined to keep importing oil from a country whose attitudes and repressive actions we despise. A country over whose environmental practises we have no control, and which is becoming more deeply entangled with a U.S. administration headed by a president Canadian climate activists can safely be said to revile. We’d rather do this than deal with the difficulties that would be involved in ridding ourself of foreign supply. We can’t bring ourselves to face the political troubles that would arise from trying to connect oil from the West to consumers in the East. Tens of thousands support a “global climate strike” but balk at pursuing an effective means of bringing all the oil we use under our own control. “Turning off the taps” is not a realistic plan. Sorry, it just isn’t. Some day it might be, but not yet, unless students want to live in unheated dorms while studying in darkened libraries.

 

Neither of the two largest parties has climate plans that will achieve what they promise. The Conservatives won’t even set a target for emissions reductions. The Liberals have targets but won’t meet them, just as they have never managed to do so in the past. The Greens and New Democrats have more aggressive but hugely impractical plans, which couldn’t be implemented without massive disruption to the livelihoods of tens of millions of Canadians. See how long support for such measures lasts when families across the country no longer have jobs. Could Jagmeet Singh and Elizabeth May be promising free tuition because they know jobless parents wouldn’t be able to pay?

 

Current indications from the federal election suggest a minority government is a real possibility. Should it be a Liberal minority, odds are it will seek support from the NDP and Greens. Both parties will certainly want concessions in return, and environmental issues will be at the forefront. As Calgary Herald columnist Don Braid has noted, both May and Singh would demand an end to the Trans Mountain pipeline.

 

Trudeau’s Liberals bought Trans Mountain, and he’s vowed to build it. Would he betray that promise for the sake of holding power? Is he willing to fuel a backlash across Western Canada that could only escalate the dangerous resentment now percolating ominously in Alberta? Considering the number of other principles he’s tossed overboard in the past four years, there can’t be much doubt that the answer to both questions is “of course.”

 

The climate debate is failing in Canada because it isn’t realistic. We’re a big country shackled by small thinking. We lack leadership, judgment and nerve. All sides cling to fantasies, bromides and prejudices. We won’t get anywhere until that ends.

 

 

Edited September 27, 2019 by Gäz

[bishopshodan]

@kingofsurrey

I thought of you when I read this.

 

Norwegian fund excludes four Canadian firms as it exits oilsands investments

https://globalnews.ca/news/6001280/norwegian-pension-fund-canada-oilsands-investments/

The largest pension fund in Norway has removed four Canadian energy names from its investment list and says it will no longer put money in companies that derive more than five per cent of their revenue from the oilsands.

Kommunal Landspensjonskasse or KLP says it sold US$58 million worth of stocks and bonds as it reduced its tolerance threshold for companies with interests in the oilsands from 30 per cent to five per cent, matching its limit for coal investments.

The Norwegian fund which administers more than US$81 billion in assets said a full exit from the oilsands is “great news” for customers because that activity is not aligned with the two-degree Celsius global warming target under the Paris climate agreement.

[kingofsurrey]

40 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

@kingofsurrey

I thought of you when I read this.

 

Norwegian fund excludes four Canadian firms as it exits oilsands investments

https://globalnews.ca/news/6001280/norwegian-pension-fund-canada-oilsands-investments/

The largest pension fund in Norway has removed four Canadian energy names from its investment list and says it will no longer put money in companies that derive more than five per cent of their revenue from the oilsands.

Kommunal Landspensjonskasse or KLP says it sold US$58 million worth of stocks and bonds as it reduced its tolerance threshold for companies with interests in the oilsands from 30 per cent to five per cent, matching its limit for coal investments.

The Norwegian fund which administers more than US$81 billion in assets said a full exit from the oilsands is “great news” for customers because that activity is not aligned with the two-degree Celsius global warming target under the Paris climate agreement.

Dying industry. 

 

The smart money is leaving now 

[Gurn]

Given China's response to an NBA general manager's tweet on Hong Kong, remind me why we need a pipeline to send them oil?

[Ryan Strome]

4 hours ago, gurn said:

Given China's response to an NBA general manager's tweet on Hong Kong, remind me why we need a pipeline to send them oil?

Is china the only country that uses oil? 

I agree China is a terrible nation and I'm glad you agree. I was seriously concerned when JT called them his second favourite country, were you?

[Gurn]

2 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

when JT called them his second favourite country

When did JT call them his second favourite country?

[bishopshodan]

7 minutes ago, gurn said:

When did JT call them his second favourite country?

I was curious too.

The irony of that being brought up in this thread is that it turns out he said it in reference to believing they were racing to be the first to solar and green energy. This was in 2013 when he was running for party leadership.

 

In 2017 he no longer thought that.

 

NOTEBOOK: Asked what country he most admires, Trudeau’s answer is no longer China

https://globalnews.ca/news/3899392/trudeau-admires-most-not-china/

 

 

 

[Ryan Strome]

12 minutes ago, gurn said:

When did JT call them his second favourite country?