Glug Datt Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 8 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: booo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 10 minutes ago, Glug Datt said: booo. wow...12 hours late lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 54 minutes ago, oldnews said: they have 5.25 million of Clarkson LTIR cap relief coming at season's start and can be 10% over the cap beforehand. they're over by 150k not a million. so they have about 5.1 to work with. Sorry Old News, Yes, they can be over cap 10% through the summer, but they have to card a 23 man roster, which needs to be under the 81.5 Million Cap Ceiling, then they can claim Clarkson on LTIR after the start of the season. But they are short 5 guys at this point and they are $899,999 over cap at this moment, according to Cap Friendly, which includes Clarkson, so even if all 5 signed for $650,000 each, they would be $899,999 + 3,250,000 = $4,149,999 over at the start of the season, and I think Gusev will want more than league minimum (probably a lot more), so we are more likely looking at somewhere in the 6.0 million over right now. Capfriendly is estimating their overage to be in the 9.4 Million overage at this point for the start of the season, so I am probably being a little conservative, but I suppose they could have a gentlemen's agreement with Gusev's camp to not sign until after the first game, which only brings it down to my number minimum number of $4.1 M over, because regardless of Gusev's contract, they still have to card 23 players for that opening lineup. Any large contracts they try to bury, will have to come back through waivers, so they would have problems hiding any contracts...…..Gusev is also eligible to a contract offer from another team...…….which would be very interesting Reeves is only $2,775,000 So, I think you and I see it differently...……….I could be wrong????? I don't think so, but I could be 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hectic Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 5 hours ago, SabreFan1 said: I'd rather have 2 solid young middle 6'ers than one high end forward. disagree completely but you must be trollin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: Sorry Old News, Yes, they can be over cap 10% through the summer, but they have to card a 23 man roster, which needs to be under the 81.5 Million Cap Ceiling, then they can claim Clarkson on LTIR after the start of the season. But they are short 5 guys at this point and they are $899,999 over cap at this moment, according to Cap Friendly, which includes Clarkson, so even if all 5 signed for $650,000 each, they would be $899,999 + 3,250,000 = $4,149,999 over at the start of the season, and I think Gusev will want more than league minimum (probably a lot more), so we are more likely looking at somewhere in the 6.0 million over right now. Capfriendly is estimating their overage to be in the 9.4 Million overage at this point for the start of the season, so I am probably being a little conservative, but I suppose they could have a gentlemen's agreement with Gusev's camp to not sign until after the first game, which only brings it down to my number minimum number of $4.1 M over, because regardless of Gusev's contract, they still have to card 23 players for that opening lineup. Any large contracts they try to bury, will have to come back through waivers, so they would have problems hiding any contracts...…..Gusev is also eligible to a contract offer from another team...…….which would be very interesting Reeves is only $2,775,000 So, I think you and I see it differently...……….I could be wrong????? I don't think so, but I could be Cap friendly has them at 150k over the cap. https://puckpedia.com/team/vegas-golden-knights What I proposed gives them an additional depth forward, +1.8 million cap relief on Reaves = 6.9 million left for 4 players, assuming your roster calculations are right. Engelland made 1.5 last year - give him that on a re-up and it's 5.4 million for 3 players. Give Gusev 3.4 million ? (Panarin got 3.5 when he signed with Chicago) and you have a couple million left for your last two bodies. I could be wrong bout that - I'm not sure - but I don't think that represents that serious a cap crunch. Certainly and absolutely not in the same class as the Toronto Maple Leafs, who they've been categorized with. Edited June 29, 2019 by oldnews 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, oldnews said: Cap friendly has them at 150k over the cap. What I proposed gives them an additional depth forward, +1.8 million cap relief on Reaves = 6.9 million left for 4 players, assuming your roster calculations are right. Engelland made 1.5 last year - give him that on a re-up and it's 5.4 million for 3 players. Give Gusev 3.4 million ? - and you have a couple million left for your last two bodies. I could be wrong bout that - I'm not sure - but I don't think that represents that serious a cap crunch. Certainly and absolutely not in the same class as the Toronto Maple Leafs, who they've been categorized with. Cap Friendly Info Signed forwards (12) = $52,425,000 Signed Defensemen (5) =$17,255,000 Signed Goalies (1) = $7,000,000 David Clarkson = $5,250,000 LTIR Thomas Tartar = $500,000 Retained Salary ------------------------------------------------------ 18* Signed players = $82,430,000 *Need to sign 5 more players ----------------------------------------------------- 2019-2020 cap Ceiling = $81,500,000 ----------------------------------------------------- Currently Over...……………….$930,000 5@ $650,000...……………...$3,250.000 ----------------------------------------------------- Estimated Min. Overage...... $4,150,000 (Based on Gusev getting $650,000 League minimum as well) (He will get more) So, that is how I read it as of now, again, if you can show me different....I am all ears Peace! Again, maybe I am misreading something??????? Edited June 29, 2019 by janisahockeynut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 2 hours ago, SabreFan1 said: I was only moderately ok with the trade when I thought it was the Sabres' 2nd rounder because it will very possibly be a top 7-10 (38-41 OA) pick. Then after it came out that it was the St. Louis pick, which will almost be like a 3rd rounder, I was much much happier with the trade. Not free, but still a very low price to pay for a young 2nd pair d-man. It also helped the Sabres' cause that Miller spent time in Gallant's doghouse especially in the latter half of the year. I've been checking Miller's underlying numbers and they are actually pretty solid. Yup. Definitely charts well. Really solid overall microstats profile. Positive WAR/GAR player. Moves the needle in several key categories. And can’t argue with the price. Vancouver’s expansion cousins made out really well IMO. Here are some visualizations (as I know CDC loves these kinds of stats charts ): 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glug Datt Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 6 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said: wow...12 hours late lol camping.. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 15 hours ago, brian42 said: Unless they gave up a big price for Miller this trade bothers me as a Canucks fan. There have been so many rhd d-men traded the Canucks should have got one also Miller’s salary will be about half of Myers, yet he’s just as good. There are many top 6 forwards we could sign if we traded for a D-man. Vancouver shot for Subban and backed off due to the cap hit. They then addressed our top 6 which is also a big hole. JT Miller is a nuck, FA is just around the corner. Myers, Gardiner and Stralhman are available and acquiring 1 or 2 FA d men is likely the team priority as they dont cost assets. I dont think JB is giving up anymore draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 10 hours ago, SabreFan1 said: I was only moderately ok with the trade when I thought it was the Sabres' 2nd rounder because it will very possibly be a top 7-10 (38-41 OA) pick. Then after it came out that it was the St. Louis pick, which will almost be like a 3rd rounder, I was much much happier with the trade. Not free, but still a very low price to pay for a young 2nd pair d-man. It also helped the Sabres' cause that Miller spent time in Gallant's doghouse especially in the latter half of the year. I've been checking Miller's underlying numbers and they are actually pretty solid. I think you are rose-goggling your assessment - naturally ("Sabresfan")- but the idea he's a "2nd pair d-man" is oversimplfied (that is only a situational truth ie offensive) - the reason he was in Gallant's doghouse may have to do with not being a very good defenseman 5 on 5 (which is the majority of the game). I'm not sure how you make his underlying numbers out to be solid - unless you simply cherry-pick corsi - and more importantly, his on ice goal metrics are not good at all, particularly relative to his deployment. Trouba is better, Risto is better, Montour is better - Bogosian is better defensively.....it looks like Buffalo intends to make a few more moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 23 minutes ago, oldnews said: I think you are rose-goggling your assessment - naturally ("Sabresfan")- but the idea he's a "2nd pair d-man" is oversimplfied (that is only a situational truth ie offensive) - the reason he was in Gallant's doghouse may have to do with not being a very good defenseman 5 on 5 (which is the majority of the game). I'm not sure how you make his underlying numbers out to be solid - unless you simply cherry-pick corsi - and more importantly, his on ice goal metrics are not good at all, particularly relative to his deployment. Trouba is better, Risto is better, Montour is better - Bogosian is better defensively.....it looks like Buffalo intends to make a few more moves. Maybe I am rose-goggling it a bit. I agree with the Trouba, Montour, and Bogo defensive play. That's why they all make much more money than Miller. When I have time later I'm going to pull up a comparison between Risto and Miller. Miller be a second-pairing guy on the Sabres for sure if he can go back to his 17-18 form. The Sabres need all the offensive output that they can get. If they have anemic team scoring this season again, they'll be a bottom 5 team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vancouver Connection Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Fire Jimbo!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks-12 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 17 hours ago, Alflives said: Which D do we trade for though? Subban? Way too much drama. That’s a no. Miller? Guy is not better than Stecher. That’s a no. Risto? Guy is minus a million. That’s a no. Ghost? Can’t play in his own end. That’s a no. Who then? Aaron Ekblad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 we should be targeting Risto imo, might have a nice Finnish tandem in the not so distant future with him and OJ. We are clearly trying to go fro it or as I call it our GM trying to save his job so might as well trade more picks or assets to get a top 4 D who can put up points...only needed that for ages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 14 minutes ago, Canuckster86 said: we should be targeting Risto imo, might have a nice Finnish tandem in the not so distant future with him and OJ. We are clearly trying to go fro it or as I call it our GM trying to save his job so might as well trade more picks or assets to get a top 4 D who can put up points...only needed that for ages JB is doing his job as a GM. He is trying to make this team better. Some people are unable to understand that so they make up some silly narratives. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vancouver Connection Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Benning needs to be fired 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 12 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: Sorry Old News, Yes, they can be over cap 10% through the summer, but they have to card a 23 man roster, which needs to be under the 81.5 Million Cap Ceiling, then they can claim Clarkson on LTIR after the start of the season. But they are short 5 guys at this point and they are $899,999 over cap at this moment, according to Cap Friendly, which includes Clarkson, so even if all 5 signed for $650,000 each, they would be $899,999 + 3,250,000 = $4,149,999 over at the start of the season, and I think Gusev will want more than league minimum (probably a lot more), so we are more likely looking at somewhere in the 6.0 million over right now. Capfriendly is estimating their overage to be in the 9.4 Million overage at this point for the start of the season, so I am probably being a little conservative, but I suppose they could have a gentlemen's agreement with Gusev's camp to not sign until after the first game, which only brings it down to my number minimum number of $4.1 M over, because regardless of Gusev's contract, they still have to card 23 players for that opening lineup. Any large contracts they try to bury, will have to come back through waivers, so they would have problems hiding any contracts...…..Gusev is also eligible to a contract offer from another team...…….which would be very interesting Reeves is only $2,775,000 So, I think you and I see it differently...……….I could be wrong????? I don't think so, but I could be They don't have to be under and can operate at an artificially increased cap to include Clarkson's LTIR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 26 minutes ago, The Vancouver Connection said: Benning needs to be fired hfcanucks is that way ------------------------------------------------------------------> 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nergish Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Canucks-12 said: Aaron Ekblad Oof. Yep. No idea what his value would be, but I would imagine it's huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 14 hours ago, Virtanen#18 said: What do you mean?? He costs half as much as Myers and can put up as many points... or more! Its not just about points on defense is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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