Defense ranked

[189lb enforcers?]

2 minutes ago, Pepe Silvia said:

Agreed 100%. I don't know how anyone who watched the 5 games Hughes played last season could say he isn't far and away #1.  It's like watching Petey's first 5 games and then ranking him behind Sutter cause we haven't seen enough of him yet. 

 

As apt a simile as there ever were, sir.  

[BlueDragon23]

30 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said:

Not only is QH the most offensively dynamic and gifted Dman on the Canucks as of today, he is possibly the best offensive talent the Canucks have put out on the ice, as an actual Dman, ever. 

 

To read posts where Myers and Edler are placed ahead of QH on such a ‘list’ is why it’s hard to take the forum and it’s posters seriously sometimes. 

 

Respectfully, I fully disagree and won’t be discussing any further how or why QH isn’t considered the best offensive Dman on this team, though I did appreciate your response and understand your perspective. 

 

I’m no QH homer, but I find the idea of ranking his offensive flare behind those other names as a disservice to the reputation of the forum as a serious place to discuss the sport of hockey, but whatever - posters can say what they like and hope they always can and do. 

I hear ya. I agree that the sky’s the Iimit for Quinn. He’s going to change the whole dynamic on the backend. Hence why I said my rankings would be vastly different at the end of next season.

 

Im excited!

[Silky mitts]

Hope Troy has been working on his muffin shot all summer. Stecher with a shot would make him bonafide top 4..

[CoaastGxd]

Offensive:

1. Huges

2. Edler

3. Myers

4. Stecher 

5. Benn

6. Tanev

 

Defensive

1. Tanev

2. Edler

3. Benn

4. Myers

5. Hughes

6. Stecher

 

I think Quin on the defensive side will be the biggest wildcard. A part of me thinks/Hope's I've ranked him too low.

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, CoaastGxd said:

Offensive:

1. Huges

2. Edler

3. Myers

4. Stecher 

5. Benn

6. Tanev

 

Defensive

1. Tanev

2. Edler

3. Benn

4. Myers

5. Hughes

6. Stecher

 

I think Quin on the defensive side will be the biggest wildcard. A part of me thinks/Hope's I've ranked him too low.

Because Hughes drives the offence so well, he will also be our best defensive D man too.  He’s such a phenom I just hope Green doesn’t have Hughes on the PK too.  We could see Hughes over 25 minutes on some nights; he’s just that good. 

[Standing_Tall#37]

On 7/4/2019 at 7:55 PM, YesWeCanNux said:

Using only the assumed top 6, how would you rank our defensemen offensively and defensively. 

 

Offensive rank

1-

2-

3-

4-

5-

6-

 

Defensive rank

1-

2-

3-

4-

5-

6-

 

*Salaries and assumed roles aside 

Offensive:

1) Hughes

2) Edler

3) Myers

4) Stetcher

5 ) Benn

6) Tanev

 

 Defensive:

 

1) Tanev

2) Benn

3) Myers

4) Hughes

5) Stetcher

6) Edler

[Dr. Crossbar]

2 hours ago, Pepe Silvia said:

Agreed 100%. I don't know how anyone who watched the 5 games Hughes played last season could say he isn't far and away #1.  It's like watching Petey's first 5 games and then ranking him behind Sutter cause we haven't seen enough of him yet. 

 

That 3x3 with Hughes, Petey and Boeser is magical. Like David Copperfield playing with Criss Angel and David Blaine. Goals just appear out of nowhere. 

[189lb enforcers?]

2 hours ago, BlueDragon23 said:

I hear ya. I agree that the sky’s the Iimit for Quinn. He’s going to change the whole dynamic on the backend. Hence why I said my rankings would be vastly different at the end of next season.

 

Im excited!

The future has finally arrived. 

 

Its going to be a lot of fun and I’m happy to share that with you as a fan - a long-suffering, miserable, cynical fan of the most unlucky franchise in hockey, the Canucks! 

 

My team might be finally skilled and exciting, which is enough in its own way, but equally as important to me is that they are finally tough enough not to be pushed around like a bunch of victims anymore. I just couldn’t identify with that brand of hockey.

 

With the latest masculine Canuck editions joining QH on D, I feel great knowing that the team won’t get bullied, but I still have concerns with Schenn now off of team. Hopefully he taught that roster how to treat your star kids and never have an excuse like, “we didn’t see it”, when guys are taking liberties with them. 

 

I hope JB isn’t done that way. I think a few more character pieces are needed to help EP’s confidence. Remember the year they signed Rypien? That’s the year Kesler and Burrows stopped being agitators and were able to play more ballsy and pretty much had careeer years at that point, knowing they could stand behind Ripper. A little more of that, would be nice, just the intimidation part. 

 

 

Edited July 7, 2019 by 189lb enforcers?

[DS4quality]

Offense:

Myers 

Edler

Hughes

Tanev 

Stecher 

Benn

 

Defense:

Tanev 

Edler 

Myers 

Benn 

Hughes 

Stecher 

 

This is no sleight to Hughes, but the difference between him and Myers is Myers can hit the net from the point with a really good shot, while think Hughes is a much better playmaker. If they play together it could be a great duo. 

Also we know Myers played over 80 games last year. 

In 2 years Hughes will undoubtedly be our best offensive dman without a doubt 

[ItTakesAnArmy]

22 hours ago, 189lb enforcers? said:

How in the hell can any of you not have QH as your most offensive Dman?

Wth...? 

 

I’ve seen a lot of interesting things on this site over the decades, but this is one of the most revealing things about this fanbase - its posting demographic anyways, that I’ve seen yet and partly why I only read a handful of posters’ comments in this forum. 

 

 

Undoubtedly he will be granted the most PP time but IMO he will get injured eventually. The regular season, for the most part is "beer league" hockey nowadays just at a very high skill level. Smaller players can be tough but he is still in a boy's body.

The other part to this is also projections of grandeur of prospects made by or expected by this forum. Juolevi was THE MAN, Gudbranson was THE MAN, Stecher was the guy. True I do think Hughes has more upside, but as a specialist. He hasn't been spectacular defensively against college skill level men.

It just really hard to have Hughes superior to established players until he has more than 20 games in the league.

 

A possible good example of players and age, Krug is small but thick and McAvoy larger, both had impacts in the playoffs but the less experienced McAvoy was a bigger impact.

 

 

[mikeyman109]

•  

This years D not in order of importance

1. Huges

2. Edler

3. Myers

4. Stecher 

5. Benn

6. Tanev

7. Juolevi

8.Fantenberg

9. Biega

10.Sautner

11.Teves

11.Rathebone

 

Lasat years D in no particular order of importance

 

2. Edler

3. Hutton

4. Stecher 

5. Gudbranson

6. Tanev

7.Pooalot

8. Juolevi

9. Biega

10.Sautner

11.Teves

12.Rathebone

 

Which D would you rather have? with the D we have some size to protect Hughes although I do think he will struggle to play D against the bigger forwards in the conference which means he has to play beside a larger D man. The size up front is better also and that will help QH out a lot as well.

I think Hughes showed himself capable of doing exactly what he was brought in to be and that's a skating puck controlling D man. A passer and play maker from the blue line. He isnt supposed to be their best defensive leader just like a Karlsson has holes in his defensive game as well.

 

Edited July 7, 2019 by mikeyman109

[189lb enforcers?]

3 hours ago, ItTakesAnArmy said:

Undoubtedly he will be granted the most PP time but IMO he will get injured eventually. The regular season, for the most part is "beer league" hockey nowadays just at a very high skill level. Smaller players can be tough but he is still in a boy's body.

The other part to this is also projections of grandeur of prospects made by or expected by this forum. Juolevi was THE MAN, Gudbranson was THE MAN, Stecher was the guy. True I do think Hughes has more upside, but as a specialist. He hasn't been spectacular defensively against college skill level men.

It just really hard to have Hughes superior to established players until he has more than 20 games in the league.

 

A possible good example of players and age, Krug is small but thick and McAvoy larger, both had impacts in the playoffs but the less experienced McAvoy was a bigger impact.

 

 

Sure, agreed, but I was only discussing the one obvious and outstanding element of QHs game, his offensive awareness and capacity that way, nothing more. No need to break down his flaws in this context as they change nothing about his talent. 

 

QH is an offensive Dman.

 

In just a few games with the Canucks, he showed his “specialist” talents as being superior to what an Edler brings to the play, in terms of O. 

 

There is no question that he is the most offensive Dman on the roster since the day he arrived, just as there was no denying the same about EP in his first few games.

 

Krug is certainly a comparable, but let’s hope for a Letang, though QH has some growing to do before he is anything like that, IMO. 

 

Its laughable that Edler or even Myers are recognized as offensive Dmen here. The bar has been set so low for so long here that Edler is considered an offensive Dman, which considering his past diet of gravy and more gravy, it’s not hard to see why. Even for all of his opportunities on that diet with and who he ate with, his offensive contributions were mediocre, at best. Meyers benefited from a similar diet and environment of late, with similar numbers. Now it’s QH’s turn, minus the Sedins, etc. Shame, that. 

 

I can almost guarantee QH’s deployment will not surrender and gravy opportunities to either of those two. Those days are over for Edler, as long as like you’ve already stated, QH remains healthy and in the lineup. 

Edited July 7, 2019 by 189lb enforcers?

[YesWeCanNux]

My theory on D pairings follows how we would rank these players on both ends of the ice.  

 

I think we’ll see a lot of different combinations throughout the season but I would like to see...

 

Hughes Myers

Edler Stecher

Benn Tanev

 

with the thought that whenever possible offensive starts will have our 2 best offensive players on the ice, defensive starts will have our 2 best defensive players on the ice, and when that’s not possible (tired pairing, matchup, etc) we would still have a solid 2-way line with our middle pair. 

 

This doesn’t rank our defensive pairings or anything but I think it uses our players in situations that will best help them and the Canucks succeed. Minutes and ice time with be dictated by zone starts, PP/PK time and general play but overall minutes should be well balanced. 

[Bobby James]

Whoa people do rate Meyers very low on his defensive ability. That is both interesting and a little concerning. 

 

Question - Who is better defensively Meyers or Gudbranson? 

[73 Percent]

10 minutes ago, Bobby James said:

Whoa people do rate Meyers very low on his defensive ability. That is both interesting and a little concerning. 

 

Question - Who is better defensively Meyers or Gudbranson? 

Myers.

 

I firmly believe everyone after tanev and maybe benn are equally good defensively. Edler has his ups and downs. Stetcher has the compete but struggleswith size. Hughes has great defensive potential but is green. I hear myers has good and bad days.

[YesWeCanNux]

52 minutes ago, Bobby James said:

Whoa people do rate Meyers very low on his defensive ability. That is both interesting and a little concerning. 

 

Question - Who is better defensively Meyers or Gudbranson? 

I think because Myers is huge people expected him to be Chara like defensively but when he wasn’t he was labeled as terrible. 

 

If you are huge you automatically get labeled as a good defender and need to live up to it and if you are small you need to show offense or are ruled a bust.  

 

I dont think hes he’s a true shutdown d-man but I don’t think he’s as bad as he’s been labeled.