48MPHSlapShot Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, canuck73_3 said: But better suited in the bottom 6 thatn Baertschi ergo no room for Baertschi. He is simply the odd man out and rightfully so wadr The idea of a 3rd line having to be a 'checking line' is archaic. These days you need at least three lines that can pose an offensive threat. Baertschi brought depth scoring to a lineup that desperately needed it, and I can't see Leivo or Schaller providing near the offensive upside that Baertschi does. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Crabcakes said: Ferland Pettersson Boeser Pearson Horvat Miller Leivo Sutter Virtanen Schaller Beagle Motte [spare, Eriksson, Gaudette] Edler Myers Hughes Tanev Benn Stecher [spare, Fantenberg] There's the team as it sits. Now, Benning has said all along that he wants a team that is fast and hard to play against. But of all the players on the list above, none of them could be called a soft player or a perimeter player. Well, the 2 that you could call soft make up for it by being supremely skilled. I think that this is the evolution of the team that Benning wants to build. I like Baertshi a lot and since he has a $3.3M cap hit, I don't expect him to be picked up. He'll be back. As I said before, I was pretty sure Baer was gone sometime this year, I just wish they did it a different, more respectful way 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dombrova22 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: The idea of a 3rd line having to be a 'checking line' is archaic. These days you need at least three lines that can pose an offensive threat. Baertschi brought depth scoring to a lineup that desperately needed it, and I can't see Leivo or Schaller providing near the offensive upside that Baertschi does. You're hurting my head. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: The idea of a 3rd line having to be a 'checking line' is archaic. These days you need at least three lines that can pose an offensive threat. Baertschi brought depth scoring to a lineup that desperately needed it, and I can't see Leivo or Schaller providing near the offensive upside that Baertschi does. I never said it was or had to be a checking line, Leivo provided 5 more actual goals than Baertschi last season. Leivo has the size and health edge as well and Schaller will be the 4th line/13th forward. Edited October 1, 2019 by canuck73_3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Marchand Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 FWIW, Green didn't think Baertschi had the greatest training camp: I'm sort of sensing that the team feels that Baertschi at his current form isn't the best fit for the current lineup, which I can understand. I don't necessarily think they've given up on him entirely, otherwise you wouldn't be hearing any talk about him rebuilding some confidence in the AHL. I don't love the fact that he has to go on waivers. There's a part of me that wishes they could have slowly re-integrated him into the NHL lineup but I can see how more playing time right now would be good for him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, stawns said: As I said before, I was pretty sure Baer was gone sometime this year, I just wish they did it a different, more respectful way Benning did say that he tried to trade him. I don't blame any GM for not wanting to go there based on his concussion issues. The hit that took him out was not very hard but was very well directed. I really hope that those days are behind him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smashian Kassian Posted October 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 1, 2019 6 hours ago, tas said: also, not to say i told you so, but: But Baertschi played better than Eriksson & Schaller in the pre-season. He played better than Eriksson & Schaller last year. He's played better than Eriksson since Loui signed. If anything one of these guys deserve to be sent down. Loui's legs are shot & Schaller's brought nothing. Sven can actually score goals. What happens if Pearson struggles? Loui in the top 6 again? 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Moose Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Whats with all the Leivo hate? The guy killed it for us last season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Moose Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, Smashian Kassian said: But Baertschi played better than Eriksson & Schaller in the pre-season. He played better than Eriksson & Schaller last year. He's played better than Eriksson since Loui signed. If anything one of these guys deserve to be sent down. Loui's legs are shot & Schaller's brought nothing. Sven can actually score goals. What happens if Pearson struggles? Loui in the top 6 again? Why don't we wait to see if he's picked up before jumping to conclusions? If he clears, it's all good 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, canuck73_3 said: I never said it was or had to be a checking line Leivo provided 5 more actual goals than Baertschi last season. Leivo has the size and health edge as well and Schaller will be the 4th line/13th forward. That Leivo stat is somewhat skewed by the fact that Leivo played 50 more games that Baertschi did. Leivo may have the size, speed, and health advantage, but he's not a dynamic offensive player. Not even close. I can't possibly fathom a line of Leivo, Sutter and Virtanen providing any sort of offensive upside, as not only are they all offensively undynamic, but none of them have any real semblance of playmaking ability. Baertschi, by contrast, would have provided an element to that line that would have made them much more dynamic, much more dangerous, and could have potentially taken some of the pressure off the top two lines to score. As it stands right now, if our top two lines aren't going, we're not scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, KeslerWho? said: Whats with all the Leivo hate? The guy killed it for us last season Haven’t seen any Leivo hate in this thread, maybe some player comparisons, but that’s about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gaudette Celly Posted October 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 1, 2019 43 minutes ago, J-23 said: Read Alf’s post below No thanks. 40 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: Not gonna make the playoffs at all if you don't have any depth scoring. Who's gonna make up the 100 points of the Sedins??! 27 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: Since we're bringing Gaudette into the equation, he showed more chemistry with Baertschi than he did with anyone else in the lineup. For one period. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Moose Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, J-23 said: Haven’t seen any Leivo hate in this thread, maybe some player comparisons, but that’s about it. Hate is the wrong word; he seems to be on a decent amount of peoples cut lists 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: That Leivo stat is somewhat skewed by the fact that Leivo played 50 more games that Baertschi did. Leivo may have the size, speed, and health advantage, but he's not a dynamic offensive player. Not even close. I can't possibly fathom a line of Leivo, Sutter and Virtanen providing any sort of offensive upside, as not only are they all offensively undynamic, but none of them have any real semblance of playmaking ability. Baertschi, by contrast, would have provided an element to that line that would have made them much more dynamic, much more dangerous, and could have potentially taken some of the pressure off the top two lines to score. As it stands right now, if our top two lines aren't going, we're not scoring. No it's not skewed its the fact your missing Baertschi has NEVER played a full season. Sorry man wadr actual goals>>>>>>>potential goals 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, KeslerWho? said: Hate is the wrong word; he seems to be on a decent amount of peoples cut lists Those people are out of it. He’s a PP1 guy now, middle 6 player. He ain’t going anywhere 2 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: No thanks. Ya I was taking to iBatch not you. Edited October 1, 2019 by J-23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: Who's gonna make up the 100 points of the Sedins??! Well we weren't able to make those points up (+ Vanek), that's why we were the lowest scoring team in the NHL after X-mas. Edited October 1, 2019 by Smashian Kassian 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, canuck73_3 said: No it's not skewed its the fact your missing Baertschi has NEVER played a full season. Sorry man wadr actual goals>>>>>>>potential goals That's disingenuous and you know it. It's like saying McDavid isn't even a 50 point player after his first season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: But Baertschi played better than Eriksson & Schaller in the pre-season. He played better than Eriksson & Schaller last year. He's played better than Eriksson since Loui signed. If anything one of these guys deserve to be sent down. Loui's legs are shot & Schaller's brought nothing. Sven can actually score goals. What happens if Pearson struggles? Loui in the top 6 again? Eriksson better defensively, Schaller the better 4th liner/13th forward both healthier in their stint here, not that hard to figure out. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, KeslerWho? said: Why don't we wait to see if he's picked up before jumping to conclusions? If he clears, it's all good Its still a bad more regardless. Eriksson starting on our 3rd line doesn't make up better. If Eriksson is still a top 9 option this isn't a playoff team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, KeslerWho? said: Why don't we wait to see if he's picked up before jumping to conclusions? If he clears, it's all good I’m bored af right now and need to entertain myself. He probably does clear tbh. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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