Judd Brackett

[86Viking]

Brackett to LA as new AGM?

 

Benning to President and scouting Futa new GM?

[Fred65]

Janis here the funny thing while you point out people come and go and as a rule things never chnage ie there some natural order to the business. But then you say Benning came around the changed every thing up. Which is it 

 

Theo comments and research looks good to me although Vilardi looks questionable in the AHL and the latest high pick and the top player in Ontario is a FA signing, maybe like Bouchard in Utica. Vcr rank 8th in that assessment, soooooo, Vcr did pretty well to by that account. We did trade away Madden and when they make no mention of Rathbone it does send up a red flag ( JB stated himself that every GM is asking about the availabity of Rathbone) but the author chooses to dismiss him ?

 

All interestingdate August last year

 

Here's the irony of all this. One segment of fans  wish to hand the accolades to Benning for the drafting in Vcr and in the same breath want to by-pass Rob Blake and hand the accolades to  Futa for LA success. I'd think that while it is apparent that Brackett will be on the market soon maybe, just maybe, other organization want to be in the mix for his hire, although on second thoughts why bother if it's always the GM that does the scouting   

Edited May 11, 2020 by Fred65

[aGENT]

4 hours ago, Toews said:

I haven't seen it that way but to use your words against you... Feel free to show the quotes.

Feel free to back and look at basically all of squamish's posts in this thread and the melodramatic tweets referenced in them 

 

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He was a low level scout before Linden became President. He wasn't put in a situation where had enough control to make "ground breaking" decisions. Sure Benning and Linden both deserve credit for Brackett's rise but that doesn't change who Brackett is right now, where he is recognized as one of the most successful scouts in the league.

Again, I've never taken credit away from Judd for becoming that scout. You don't get to this level without the smarts, hard work ability etc. And clearly, management saw enough of those tools to put the effort in to helping him get there.

 

But that does not make him a unique and beautiful snow flake. If he has a better fit elsewhere, there are other talented scouts out there to give the same opportunity he had before, and clearly the right people here to give it to them.

 

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"understanding the motive" is just paraphrasing my point that you can find a justification for everything. The more objective position would be to criticize the motive. Why does a rebuilding  team need to sign a 30+ year UFA to a 6x6 deal? I have been on this board long enough to know that you are allergic to such criticism. 

And what's wrong with that? I tend to prefer to understand context, nuance and motive rather than simply make a quick, reactionary, one sided, black or white judgement on most things in life. Not just hockey.

 

Very little in life is that black and white and generally there's some good and bad in any move, or in any non move for that matter. So sue me for being measured and non reactionary I guess? Why is jumping immediately to criticism more objective? I prefer to understand rather than simply criticize.

 

The only thing I'm allergic to is the tendency of our media, and a certain vocal portion of the fan base, to immediately jump to their default melodrama and negativity. And frequently with very little thought or substance to it.

 

Well, that and whatever the hell pollen is floating around on Vancouver Island right now 

Edited May 11, 2020 by aGENT

[theo5789]

1 hour ago, Fred65 said:

Janis here the funny thing while you point out people come and go and as a rule things never chnage ie there some natural order to the business. But then you say Benning came around the changed every thing up. Which is it 

 

Theo comments and research looks good to me although Vilardi looks questionable in the AHL and the latest high pick and the top player in Ontario is a FA signing, maybe like Bouchard in Utica. Vcr rank 8th in that assessment, soooooo, Vcr did pretty well to by that account. We did trade away Madden and when they make no mention of Rathbone it does send up a red flag ( JB stated himself that every GM is asking about the availabity of Rathbone) but the author chooses to dismiss him ?

 

All interestingdate August last year

 

Here's the irony of all this. One segment of fans  wish to had the accolades to Benning for the drafting in Vcr and in the same breath want to by-pass Rob Blake and hand the accolades to  Futa for LA success. I'd think that while it is apparent that Brackett will be on the market soon maybe, just maybe, other organization want to be in the mix for his hire, although on second thoughts why bother if it's always the GM that does the scouting   

Benning was a scout prior to him moving up the rankings. He is noted to be involved in the scouting/drafting aspect and takes great pride in this field. Rob Blake, on the other hand, doesn't have that pedigree. Good on Blake for making the final call on those guys, but it is much more feasible that he truly lets his director of amateur scouting do the leg work (something that Brackett may want). If Futa or whoever wants to actually work with Benning and crew, then that person will be more suited for the role here. Besides I never said Futa was solely responsible for those picks, but just that those were the picks during his time as the director and they won two Cups with a lot of the team built from players that they have drafted and groomed.

[Fred65]

1 hour ago, theo5789 said:

Benning was a scout prior to him moving up the rankings. He is noted to be involved in the scouting/drafting aspect and takes great pride in this field. Rob Blake, on the other hand, doesn't have that pedigree. Good on Blake for making the final call on those guys, but it is much more feasible that he truly lets his director of amateur scouting do the leg work (something that Brackett may want). If Futa or whoever wants to actually work with Benning and crew, then that person will be more suited for the role here. Besides I never said Futa was solely responsible for those picks, but just that those were the picks during his time as the director and they won two Cups with a lot of the team built from players that they have drafted and groomed.

Wow what I thought was impossible now seems like the "norm" both direction simultaneously 

[J.I.A.H.N]

8 hours ago, Fred65 said:

Wow what I thought was impossible now seems like the "norm" both direction simultaneously 

Wouldn't it be funny if you were both Fred65 and theo5789

 

I mean, it would make sense with your last hint. 

[SilentSam]

7 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

Wouldn't it be funny if you were both Fred65 and theo5789

 

I mean, it would make sense with your last hint. 

.... Conspiracy theories breeding Conspiracy theories...

..it’s like like showing up for a game of “Naked Twister” with 5 gallons of  Mazola Oil..

    things are getting out of control.   

 

[JM_]

35 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

.... Conspiracy theories breeding Conspiracy theories...

..it’s like like showing up for a game of “Naked Twister” with 5 gallons of  Mazola Oil..

    things are getting out of control.   

 

if I wear a mask is it considered social distancing? 

[SilentSam]

1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

if I wear a mask is it considered social distancing? 

Yes Jimmy,.   But you only get one due to availability,..  it’s up to you where or how you use it for protection..  there will be a microwave in the kitchen available to sterilize and Re-use the old one.    BYOB.  

[Squamfan]

Confirmed Benning never wanted Petey. 

 

[Squamfan]

Benning wanted Cody Glass

 

 

 

 

 

 

Canucks Scouts wanted Larkin, Benning wanted Jake

 

 

[DeNiro]

5 minutes ago, Squamfan said:

Confirmed Benning never wanted Petey. 

 

Yes it has already been confirmed by Benning himself that it was Delorme that pushed them to look closer at Pettersson.

That won’t stop the media’s narrative that Brackett is responsible for every great pick we’ve made though.

 

[Squamfan]

 

[DeNiro]

2 minutes ago, Squamfan said:

 

A good GM listens to all his scouts and gets input from everyone. Which Benning has done.

 

Seems like the story line right now it’s that all the Canucks poor picks were solely Benning and all the good ones were Brackett. Just laughable really.

 

Theyre also only analyzing picks in the first round which should be the easier ones to make. The fact is Benning has also done a very good job in getting talent in the second round and beyond.

Edited May 12, 2020 by DeNiro

[Squamfan]

5 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

A good GM listens to all his scouts and gets input from everyone. Which Benning has done.

 

Seems like the story line right now it’s that all the Canucks poor picks were solely Benning and all the good ones were Brackett. Just laughable really.

 

Theyre also only analyzing picks in the first round which should be the easier ones to make. The fact is Benning has also done a very good job in getting talent in the second round and beyond.

that all changed when Linden left, he allowed the scout to have a voice, once he was gone Benning and Weisbrouh did not listen. Confirmed by Sekeres

[Squamfan]

 

[DeNiro]

11 minutes ago, Squamfan said:

that all changed when Linden left, he allowed the scout to have a voice, once he was gone Benning and Weisbrouh did not listen. Confirmed by Sekeres

So if that all changed when Linden left that means he gets credit for the Hughes and Podkolzin picks. Along with Hoglander, Woo, and Madden.

 

Cant spin it both ways.

 

 

[DeNiro]

17 minutes ago, Squamfan said:

 

And they paid us back by passing on Hughes.

 

These stories that come out years later with no sources are dumb. I’m sure there was a scout that liked Larkin, does that mean everyone was pushing for him and Benning overruled them all? I highly doubt it. It’s really pointless to mention. I’m sure at least one of our scouts wanted Nick Ritchie too.

 

Also fans love to pick and choose the best players from each draft that we passed on as if we could have them all. It’s the butterfly effect. Taking Larkin could have moved the needle just enough that we end up not getting Boeser, Pettersson, or Hughes. When points are that close a player like Larkin getting a few game winners can be the difference in where we pick.

 

All that matters is do we have a good core now? And the answer is yes.

 

Edited May 12, 2020 by DeNiro

[Toews]

31 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

Yes it has already been confirmed by Benning himself that it was Delorme that pushed them to look closer at Pettersson.

That won’t stop the media’s narrative that Brackett is responsible for every great pick we’ve made though.

 

You are probably giving Delorme too much credit as well. There is a difference between saying, "Hey look at this kid, he's got some skills." and saying "This is the guy that should be at the top of our draft board". Petey was making a name for himself in Allsvenskan, it doesn't matter who first spotted him first. This isn't Edler who was playing in some remote hockey town in god knows where, when Gradin found him. From everything I have read the Canucks had Makar and Pettersson at the top of their draft board. That shows that our scouts were doing their job and even if Petey was gone we would have selected a very good player. 

[Fred65]

Sad to say some poster offered undisputable facts from professional scouts in the league cling to their convictions like a drowning man to a raft.