The Great 8 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Toffoli needs to be re-signed over Tanev IMO. It allows our team to have 3 scoring lines. If we can get Tryamkin back I wouldn’t re sign Tanev. Our two biggest priorities should be Toffoli and Markstrom. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Tanev is very reliable defensively... but lets not forget that he's not going to get any better, and he is just going to be a depreciating asset. Unless he is really willing to take a low-ball offer to stay long term, it's not a bad idea to move on from him. If he has a family and stuff and doesn't want to move.... then signing for a 2-3 year contract at max 3 million would be fair. Worst case scenario he just moved down to Seattle, a 2 hour drive away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Neilsons Towel Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 On 6/6/2020 at 9:09 AM, BoKnows said: I'd rather see Tanev go, and resign Toffoli. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 42 minutes ago, Roger Neilsons Towel said: Because Marky must also be signed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Lancaster said: Tanev is very reliable defensively... but lets not forget that he's not going to get any better, and he is just going to be a depreciating asset. Unless he is really willing to take a low-ball offer to stay long term, it's not a bad idea to move on from him. If he has a family and stuff and doesn't want to move.... then signing for a 2-3 year contract at max 3 million would be fair. Worst case scenario he just moved down to Seattle, a 2 hour drive away. First off, 2-3 years is not a long term deal. Second, do you think asking him to take 33% less a year is a reasonable ask? Re-signing for the same dollar amount as his last contract is reasonable given the volatile environment. Asking to play for 2/3rds of what he was making when he’s only 30 is over the top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, qwijibo said: First off, 2-3 years is not a long term deal. Second, do you think asking him to take 33% less a year is a reasonable ask? Re-signing for the same dollar amount as his last contract is reasonable given the volatile environment. Asking to play for 2/3rds of what he was making when he’s only 30 is over the top Hence why it's fairer for him to find the most money available, even if it's not with the Canucks. I never blame a player for chasing the big bucks. Playing on a team or a city you like, trying to win the Stanley Cup.... sounds "honourable", but in the end it is just business. If some team offers 5x5 to Tanev, I hope he takes the money and run. Would the Canucks be better if he remain? Sure. Can the Canucks afford fair market value for him? Most likely no. So it will either be one side giving in, or it's CT to explore his UFA options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hateleafs Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 7 hours ago, grandmaster said: Because Marky must also be signed! Trade Marky for a late first. Recoup the first round pick solve cap and expansion draft issues. 3 birds one stone. Demko starts next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenspear Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, hateleafs said: Trade Marky for a late first. Recoup the first round pick solve cap and expansion draft issues. 3 birds one stone. Demko starts next season We can't trade a UFA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tower102 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, hateleafs said: Trade Marky for a late first. Recoup the first round pick solve cap and expansion draft issues. 3 birds one stone. Demko starts next season How do we trade an unrestricted free agent? His rights aren't worth close to a first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 8 hours ago, grandmaster said: Because Marky must also be signed! There are other places to clear cap. Move Roussel, buyout or retain on Baer, move Benn etc. Plus we have yet to see what mechanism(s) the league will use to adjust for covid. If there's a 'free' buyout (Eriksson) and/or an across the board percentage cut in salary etc, we're laughing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 16 hours ago, stawns said: Letting non core UFA's walk is meaningless, I have no issues with that at all. Tanev is a core player and if he's willing to be flexible, they should do what they need to to bring him back At some point you have to make a hockey decisions that are always very tough to do?? I really like Tanev but 31 years old in December and with his past injury history and his beat up body signing Tanev is a big big risk... Tanev would want 4.5 million at least?? Would never sign him to 4.5? Only if there was a bonus clause.. Regular season 3.5 million if playing over 65 games - 1 million if healthy in playoffs... I hope Benning moves away from UFA Tanev this summer and spends this money on other players.. I would trade from position which is wingers -----Miller - Taffoli - Boeser - Pearson - Virtanen - Ferland - Leivo - MacEwen - Motte -Podkolzin - Hoglander... I would sign Taffoli 4 yrs X 4.9 million -- Solid 200 foot player --score 30-35 Goals--- Points 63 -68 points plays a 200 foot game with Petey.... Now Jim Benning can trade salary for salary and bring back a #2 D man like Risto in Buffalo , under 26, 6'4, logs - 22-24 minutes Boeser or Virtanen would bring back a #2 or #3 D man back.....Very important move this summer.. I am sorry but defence need a top 2 guy under 27 years old... Centre is solid-- Pettersson 21 -- Horvat 24 - Gaudette 23 Hughes - Risto Edler - Myers Fantenberg -- ( Rafferty - makes 750,0000) Stetcher RFA - might package in trade) will want 2.7 million X 4 yrs Tryamkin ? Need to sign a deal that is cap friendly 2 yrs X 1.8 million show me more deal Benn 32 - possible trade only 1 yr left at - 2 million Tanev-- UFA 31 December - Time to move away and make trade for younger healthier D man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 32 minutes ago, aGENT said: There are other places to clear cap. Move Roussel, buyout or retain on Baer, move Benn etc. Plus we have yet to see what mechanism(s) the league will use to adjust for covid. If there's a 'free' buyout (Eriksson) and/or an across the board percentage cut in salary etc, we're laughing. Not easy to move Roussel or Baer?? ...Roussell will be fine, Leivo even better... Buyouts #1 Erickson 2 yrs X 6 million -- 2. Luonge 2 yrs X 3 million...... Talk about moves Jim Benning must trade for top #2 D man like Risto from Buffalo?? Sorry nobody in Utica can fill this role...Big weakness.. Trade a winger -- Boeser or Virtanen.. Only if Taffoli is resigned.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BertaNuck Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 1 hour ago, hateleafs said: Trade Marky for a late first. Recoup the first round pick solve cap and expansion draft issues. 3 birds one stone. Demko starts next season Honestly I don’t think demko is ready as a starter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hateleafs Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Tower102 said: How do we trade an unrestricted free agent? His rights aren't worth close to a first. Right. Sign and trade? Didn’t consider that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, wildcam said: Not easy to move Roussel or Baer?? ...Roussell will be fine, Leivo even better... Buyouts #1 Erickson 2 yrs X 6 million -- 2. Luonge 2 yrs X 3 million...... Talk about moves Jim Benning must trade for top #2 D man like Risto from Buffalo?? Sorry nobody in Utica can fill this role...Big weakness.. Trade a winger -- Boeser or Virtanen.. Only if Taffoli is resigned.... I don't think Roussel would be hard to move. At all. Especially if he has a good play in/offs (as I'm guessing he will). Baer yes, hence why I said retention or just buy him out. Either saves about $1.6m. If there's a buyout, yup, Eriksson is gone. And yes, I'd entertain moving Virtanen, Stecher and a prospect for a young, top 4 RHD if something presents itself and we re-sign Toffoli. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenspear Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, hateleafs said: Right. Sign and trade? Didn’t consider that I'm sure whatever contract Marky signs here will have some sort of NTC through the bulk of his contract, and probably less $ than if he went to UFA. He wants to be here, why would he agree to a sign and trade scenario, when he could get more $ in a UFA bidding war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hateleafs Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Chickenspear said: I'm sure whatever contract Marky signs here will have some sort of NTC through the bulk of his contract, and probably less $ than if he went to UFA. He wants to be here, why would he agree to a sign and trade scenario, when he could get more $ in a UFA bidding war? Yeah it’ll be interesting to see how Benning plays this. Hopefully we go on a long run for Toffoli to be worth it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tower102 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 4 hours ago, hateleafs said: Right. Sign and trade? Didn’t consider that This isn't NHL 20. Want any player to sign with us again at favorable terms and not have a no trade attached? There is a reason you never see teams sign and trade in the NHL. Didn't consider the consequences did you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hateleafs Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 32 minutes ago, Tower102 said: This isn't NHL 20. Want any player to sign with us again at favorable terms and not have a no trade attached? There is a reason you never see teams sign and trade in the NHL. Didn't consider the consequences did you? No I didn’t. I guess I’m just thinking business rather then what impact it might have. Trade Demko? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tower102 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 31 minutes ago, hateleafs said: No I didn’t. I guess I’m just thinking business rather then what impact it might have. Trade Demko? I think the goalie situtation is the hardest decision to make moving forward. If they give us a buyout that we can use on Eriksson, and Markstrom is willing to take a 2 or 3 year deal then that is ideal. So many questions moving forward. What Markstrom will we see here on out? Is this an outlier year? Is it his breakout and he could be a top 5 goalie in the league for a few years? Easy to overpay him if we base his contract solely on this past year but also would hate to have him walk and become a legit top 5 guy. To complicate matters is the question mark of Demko. Is he ready to be a starter next year? Is he going to progress into his full potential and be a top guy? Or will be be Eddie Lack and peter out. Would hate to trade Demko and have him become Rask like with the Leafs, but would suck to let Markstrom go and Demko becomes a career backup or average starter. Hopefully we can make things work to see them both back for another full season and can make a decision next offseason with who to run with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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