Coronavirus outbreak

[stawns]

4 minutes ago, 4petesake said:

True.

In many ways I don’t disagree with his basic premise but I feel like he and many others are jumping the gun a little. My gut feeling, and hope, is that the numbers do continue the downward trend and in the not too distant future that he can say I told you so

I do think if we jump the gun and things go bad, our society would not survive it.

[TOMapleLaughs]

33 minutes ago, -DLC- said:

 

 

The next variant after omicron will be a cold.  More contagious.  More mild.  We cannot sustain any restrictions for that, obviously.  They can't be sustained even now.

 

26 minutes ago, stawns said:

As expected, rules put in for omicron will likely start be relaxed tomorrow, but that's about it.

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/8620236/bc-covid-rules-change-feb-15/

There will continue to be public pressure to relax more.  But that's to be expected as well.

 

I imagine we all watched the super bowl?  Or most of us?

 

No masks.

 

Curious for such a big event in a liability-adverse, restrictions-happy US state.

 

Seemed to mark the official end of masks there for many.

[TOMapleLaughs]

34 minutes ago, 4petesake said:

 

Here are the numbers for BC -   Strongly/somewhat agree     Strongly/somewhat disagree     

1.                                                               52%                                         48%

2.                                                               48%                                          52%

3.                                                                47%                                         53%

4.                                                                41%                                         59%

5.                                                                38%                                         62%

6.                                                                36%                                         64%

 

The only question that BC residents agree with is “unless ICUs are hit by a sudden surge it’s time to drop restrictions.

 

These are from the poll cited by @TOMapleLaughs who says “Nor does dismissing polls in such fashion when they clearly indicate growing and well-expected and even planned-for public sentiment” yet clearly dismisses the Angus Reid poll because they tell a different story.

AR polled us in January iirc.  It was already majority territory back then. 

 

The truckers managed to add drama to the mix, but I wouldn't expect the public to reverse their stance on removing restrictions due to that.  And if Trudeau actually uses the military?  Hah, well that will be the end of his political career.

 

My hope is the silly truckers just go home after Ford has now finally announced a plan.

[stawns]

7 minutes ago, TOMapleLaughs said:

The next variant after omicron will be a cold.  More contagious.  More mild.  We cannot sustain any restrictions for that, obviously.  They can't be sustained even now.

 

There will continue to be public pressure to relax more.  But that's to be expected as well.

 

I imagine we all watched the super bowl?  Or most of us?

 

No masks.

 

Curious for such a big event in a liability-adverse, restrictions-happy US state.

 

Seemed to mark the official end of masks there for many.

Theyre losing almost 3000 people a day

[Smashian Kassian]

I think it's time to move forward. The blockades are not good by any stretch but it also seems like the tide has shifted as far as pro-lockdown / anti lock down to around 50/50 (atleast). (And we are the most 'progressive'/socialist province imo)

 

The effects of our response overall are going to be long lasting; mental health issues sky rocketing (who know the long term implications, certainly [atleast] future suicides to some degree), inflation putting further burden on future working class (good luck owning a home, as if it was possible now), de-legitimation of the Charter, and.trust in govt / institutions on the decline (not all bad). Exc.

 

The restriction were very legitimate at one point, but now no longer imo

 

(Also sorry to those I didn't get back too in previous conversations, this issue gives me horrible anxiety)

[Mike Vanderhoek]

12 minutes ago, TOMapleLaughs said:

AR polled us in January iirc.  It was already majority territory back then. 

 

The truckers managed to add drama to the mix, but I wouldn't expect the public to reverse their stance on removing restrictions due to that.  And if Trudeau actually uses the military?  Hah, well that will be the end of his political career.

 

My hope is the silly truckers just go home after Ford has now finally announced a plan.

The thing is, no convoy or protest in Ottawa has had any affect on any mandates or restrictions yet people are posting " we did it, thank you truckers " etc for Provinces following through with their already announced timelines for lifting of certain restrictions.

 

I guess what I'm saying is public pressure has done zero in terms of shaking the country's health and political leaders into lifting restrictions.

 

As a Canadian I'm proud and comforted to know those in leadership roles have continued to uphold the recommendations of health and science.

 

And while the goal is to have this as endemic, its coming it still remains serious for too many people.

 

I've seen my wife struggle to breathe and extremely fatigued, my roomate knocked on his butt for the past month plus extremely fatigued and lingering respiratory problems. 

 

My father in law was fine a week ago, tested positive, in the hospital a day later and died on day 4 of covid. My aunt passed earlier on.

 

Now excuse my bias but im happy mamy people dont have negative affects from covid, but notjing in my lifetime has taken such a toll on those around me so I'm not writing this off and certainly disappointed and disgusted by what ive seen in Ottawa and other places.

 

Sad part is its really starting to rip into me seeing these people flying Canadian flags claiming to fight the good fight and be a " fringe minority " pathetic.

[4petesake]

27 minutes ago, TOMapleLaughs said:

AR polled us in January iirc.  It was already majority territory back then. 

 

The truckers managed to add drama to the mix, but I wouldn't expect the public to reverse their stance on removing restrictions due to that.  And if Trudeau actually uses the military?  Hah, well that will be the end of his political career.

 

My hope is the silly truckers just go home after Ford has now finally announced a plan.

 

No this AR poll was done very recently with the questions referencing the occupation in Ottawa and how that might affect opinions.
 

I don’t see Trudeau using the military unless the occupiers goad him into it with violence against the RCMP or the citizens of Ottawa, or Coutts for that matter. You’re right it would be a mistake on his part if he sent them in first. I think some of the truckers will go home soon now that their trucks/companies/insurance are at risk as well as Ford’s plan, which gives them the cover of saying “we won.” What’s left will be the collection of anarchists, extremists and assorted crackpots. Who knows how or when that ends.

 

For the record I support the right to protest which occurred on the first weekend but after that it became an illegal occupation of the core of Ottawa in my view. The city was failed completely by their mayor and worse by the OPS, and to a smaller degree the OPP. I think there will come a reckoning with the OPS when this is done. 

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo]

2 hours ago, TOMapleLaughs said:

Interestingly and ironically the mask mandate working against the spanish flu in Alberta lasted 1yr 3mos 10 days. 

 

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/09615768.2021.1891615

 

Some food for thought.

 

Of course the situation is different now.  Back then we were less of a pillow generation.  (I kid, I kid.)  Anyway, my grandmother doesn't want restrictions installed anymore either.  Despite having many around her fall.  Same reason we all do.  It's been two years.  And,  'Well, life is for the living, after all.'

Maybe your granny just wants her special little man to give it a rest for a minute?

[-DLC-]

7 hours ago, TOMapleLaughs said:

The next variant after omicron will be

 

There will 

 

 

 

You still have to work on Math before you move to science and state your opinion like fact.....900 people who responded in favour to a heavily weighted poll are not the "majority" of the 37 million Canadians.

 

Someone posted that they'd lost loved ones here yet you acknowledge none of that, which is truly sad.

[Bure_Pavel]

15 hours ago, -DLC- said:

You do understand how this works, right?  Numbers drop BECAUSE we're taking precautions and if we drop those prematurely....numbers go back up.

 

We're not there yet. 

The Omicron data suggest once the virus peaks it cases continue to fall as the reason for the peak is enough people have already got the sickness or triple vaccinated. The virus is phasing out, unless there is another mutation. The are many examples of other countries who are almost already past omicron and lots of data to work with due to high case numbers across the world. Omicron is too contagious to try and hide from it, people at risk have had ample time to receive three vaccinations and provide adequate protection.   

[Bure_Pavel]

16 hours ago, gurn said:

That time will be decided by medical experts.

 

No it wont, it will be decided by politicians. It will go from vaccine passports and limited capacity to not wearing masks very quickly which makes no sense at all.    

[TOMapleLaughs]

2 hours ago, -DLC- said:

 

You still have to work on Math before you move to science and state your opinion like fact.....900 people who responded in favour to a heavily weighted poll are not the "majority" of the 37 million Canadians.

 

Someone posted that they'd lost loved ones here yet you acknowledge none of that, which is truly sad.

This is like, exactly how opinion polls work. There will be an error percentage, but 2 out of 3?  Clear majority. Can't ignore it. 

[Bure_Pavel]

16 hours ago, Alflives said:

We will all be happy when dr. Henry, and her group of medical experts, decides it’s time to ease restrictions.  I’m sure these experts are waiting for the time that’s safest to best protect the highest risk group - The Antivaxxers.  

They dont want the protection, they need to do whats best for the most amount of people possible. Focusing on small minority groups when making decisions is not how a government should be run.  

[stawns]

1 hour ago, Bure_Pavel said:

No it wont, it will be decided by politicians. It will go from vaccine passports and limited capacity to not wearing masks very quickly which makes no sense at all.    

not in BC it won't

[stawns]

2 hours ago, Bure_Pavel said:

The Omicron data suggest once the virus peaks it cases continue to fall as the reason for the peak is enough people have already got the sickness or triple vaccinated. The virus is phasing out, unless there is another mutation. The are many examples of other countries who are almost already past omicron and lots of data to work with due to high case numbers across the world. Omicron is too contagious to try and hide from it, people at risk have had ample time to receive three vaccinations and provide adequate protection.   

delta is still here

[Bure_Pavel]

6 minutes ago, stawns said:

delta is still here

No its not, Omciron was 99% of all cases last i checked and that was a week ago. 

 

"That’s because of the near-total dominance of omicron, which accounted for 99.5 percent of new Covid infections in the U.S. during the week that ended Jan. 15, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-antibody-treatments-dont-work-omicron-still-used-states-rcna12990 

Edited February 15, 2022 by Bure_Pavel

[King Heffy]

3 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

They dont want the protection, they need to do whats best for the most amount of people possible. Focusing on small minority groups when making decisions is not how a government should be run.  

This is what the adults have been trying to tell the people who are suggesting we should negotiate with the worthless pieces of trash currently infesting Ottawa.

[stawns]

3 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

No its not, Omciron was 99% of all cases last i checked and that was a week ago. 

I'm not arguing that, but 1% of the cases are delta and, right now, that still makes up about a hundred a day.  Omicron restrictions have brought that down, but when they are lifted, delta will work it's way back up.  It's not gone

 

http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/VoC/VoC_Weekly_20220211.pdf

[Bure_Pavel]

1 minute ago, stawns said:

I'm not arguing that, but 1% of the cases are delta and, right now, that still makes up about a hundred a day.  Omicron restrictions have brought that down, but when they are lifted, delta will work it's way back up.  It's not gone

 

http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/VoC/VoC_Weekly_20220211.pdf

When a more dominant strain comes along is replaces the previous strain to the point where the previous strain is unable to survive. Omicron is a very dominant strain and has already in very short time completely replaced Delta. It is the reason why we are no long seeing any Alpha or previous strains still. 

[stawns]

Just now, Bure_Pavel said:

When a more dominant strain comes along is replaces the previous strain to the point where the previous strain is unable to survive. Omicron is a very dominant strain and has already in very short time completely replaced Delta. It is the reason why we are no long seeing any Alpha or previous strains still. 

yet delta is still there according to the bccdc, regardless of how you feel about it.  I suspect you don't have a degree in epidemiology