VforVasili Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Given the COVID protocols how would a process of firing a coach even happen this year? A new coach would have to go through a long quarantine and if you are hiring someone in the US, it's even worse. Plus they have to deal with complexities around moving during a pandemic. Two weeks later the team situation would probably have stabilized anyway. It seems like we are in a different reality this year and it is tough to see how this would be pulled off on a practical level if a team decided to fire their coaching staff. Please note I actually think Green does a good job and would prefer he stay so this isn't a debate about that. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, VforVirtanen said: Given the COVID protocols how would a process of firing a coach even happen this year? A new coach would have to go through a long quarantine and if you are hiring someone in the US, it's even worse. Plus they have to deal with complexities around moving during a pandemic. Two weeks later the team situation would probably have stabilized anyway. It seems like we are in a different reality this year and it is tough to see how this would be pulled off on a practical level if a team decided to fire their coaching staff. Please note I actually think Green does a good job and would prefer he stay so this isn't a debate about that. Sure.... if you fire the coach it is because you are terrible. You just make an assistant the interim coach for a couple weeks and the new guy does some Zoom calls to tell his staff about some changes to systems he is looking at so they can prep. If you are switching a coach because of just a two week window that would have stabilized anyways, then that is a bad decision to start with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Agreed, have a Zoom call where he sees what's happening in real-time and have the assistant coach take over behind the bench. If they're really struggling I'd take a page out of the Office and have the Assistant try the following (paper-Mache head would be the frowning head of the new coach, cuz that'll show'em) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'NucK™ Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Am I missing something.. why couldn't the new coach just arrive two weeks prior to start the quarantine process before the current coach is fired? It's not like you fire a guy before having his replacement ready to go.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 12 minutes ago, 'NucK™ said: Am I missing something.. why couldn't the new coach just arrive two weeks prior to start the quarantine process before the current coach is fired? It's not like you fire a guy before having his replacement ready to go.. Ummm no... that is not how it goes at all. It is a small hockey community, no team hires a new coach two weeks before they fire their existing one. It has never happened that way ever. You don't give two weeks notice and have the fired coach continuing behind the bench. At most, teams have had discussions regarding a specific guy's availability before firing their current coach. Going so far as to hire one quietly without telling anyone is way offside/over the line. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) The issue is the quarantine. Which means an assistant or manager would have to be behind the bench for the two weeks. Unless you plan to interview the coach. Quietly put him up at a hotel for two weeks. Then interview him (or more than one) then, hire them. In a weird way that may not be a bad idea. It gives you two more weeks to see what happens with the team. But if you are going to pay for a prospective coach for two weeks here, then Green turns it around, what do you do? That also means there's no way you can bring in Gallant or Babcock. The press will be all over it immediately. It does seem the team is committed to this shortened season. Edited January 22, 2021 by Ghostsof1915 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rychicken Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 They could fire Green, promote Baumgartner, and Benning could take over the D 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 minute ago, rychicken said: They could fire Green, promote Baumgartner, and Benning could take over the D Probably be easier to find two replacement assistants. Keep them at a hotel. Then dismiss the assistants. If the team struggles the rest of the season. Fire Green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'NucK™ Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, Provost said: Ummm no... that is not how it goes at all. It is a small hockey community, no team hires a new coach two weeks before they fire their existing one. It has never happened that way ever. You don't give two weeks notice and have the fired coach continuing behind the bench. At most, teams have had discussions regarding a specific guy's availability before firing their current coach. Going so far as to hire one quietly without telling anyone is way offside/over the line. A lot of things haven't "happened that way ever", this year... I don't see the big difference between a discussion about a guy's availability, and having a guy do a 2 week quarantine on the basis of that availability/interest in a position that will be open in 2 weeks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVasili Posted January 22, 2021 Author Share Posted January 22, 2021 17 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: The issue is the quarantine. Which means an assistant or manager would have to be behind the bench for the two weeks. Unless you plan to interview the coach. Quietly put him up at a hotel for two weeks. Then interview him (or more than one) then, hire them. In a weird way that may not be a bad idea. It gives you two more weeks to see what happens with the team. But if you are going to pay for a prospective coach for two weeks here, then Green turns it around, what do you do? That also means there's no way you can bring in Gallant or Babcock. The press will be all over it immediately. It does seem the team is committed to this shortened season. You nailed what I was trying to express precisely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVasili Posted January 22, 2021 Author Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Provost said: Sure.... if you fire the coach it is because you are terrible. You just make an assistant the interim coach for a couple weeks and the new guy does some Zoom calls to tell his staff about some changes to systems he is looking at so they can prep. If you are switching a coach because of just a two week window that would have stabilized anyways, then that is a bad decision to start with. But many posters on these boards keep calling for the firing of Green early so that they "have time to turn it around", implying the team is only terrible because of the coaching and we would become contenders under a different system. My point is that isn't happening this year. If we are "firing" our coach it is probably at the end of the season when his contract expires. Anything else would be messy, complicated and bring no benefit to our standing this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 I suspect they're going to try and make it thru this season with our old AHL level Coach (T.G.) then give him the boot. We all know that TG will NEVER take us to the cup and this team should be a very good position in about 2 years with our prospects at peak age, with experience and the team having purged at $45M of J.B.'s bad contracts by then which means we should have an entirely new back end and the stars all signed long term. The only thing that could mess this plan up is the team continues falling apart - then they'll have to get rid of T.G. months earlier ahead of schedule - but that's no big deal as this year we're going nowhere - it's part of the rebuild effort. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 34 minutes ago, RU SERIOUS said: I suspect they're going to try and make it thru this season with our old AHL level Coach (T.G.) then give him the boot. We all know that TG will NEVER take us to the cup and this team should be a very good position in about 2 years with our prospects at peak age, with experience and the team having purged at $45M of J.B.'s bad contracts by then which means we should have an entirely new back end and the stars all signed long term. The only thing that could mess this plan up is the team continues falling apart - then they'll have to get rid of T.G. months earlier ahead of schedule - but that's no big deal as this year we're going nowhere - it's part of the rebuild effort. Marc Crawford, AHL coach then won Stanley Cup. (St. John's Maple Leafs) Claude Julian, AHL coach, won a Stanley Cup. Joel Quenneville, AHL, won a Stanley Cup. Jon Cooper, AHL coach won a Stanley Cup. Is it a sure bet to win a cup being an AHL coach? No. But lots of coaches have coached in the AHL before getting an NHL gig. Just as many CHL and ex NHL coaches don't work either. You can just say you don't like him as a coach and you question his abilities. But don't slag him because he came from the AHL. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rychicken Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Probably be easier to find two replacement assistants. Keep them at a hotel. Then dismiss the assistants. If the team struggles the rest of the season. Fire Green. I know, I was just trying to be as silly as all these threads are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10pavelbure96 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 In the first game they were applauding green's systems to shut down Edmonton's top guys on the panel during the intermission and it's gone downhill since Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicklas Bo Hunter Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Just fly bertuzzi into vancouver and have him quarentine with the team. Call him a toughness advisor and then boom fire benning bring in the big man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Is it possible the league just might revoke Drai's 2020 Hart, & re-award it to Markstrom?..(ahh, Vezina too!)? Just to get them to the PO's, the dude was a serious miracle-worker. Our D-zone has been so holy for so long, all witnessing CDC'ers got more religiosity than they know what to do with! Someone's gotta take some responsibility for this swiss cheese blueline. It's becoming rather embarrassing. All mostly in jest, but I'm genuinely happy for JM getting that nice long contract & commitment. Let's be honest..he suuure earned it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Green's not going anywhere. Apparently, he's the best coach in Canada.....so "they" say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumb Nuck Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Loui for coach, he’s already on the payroll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumb Nuck Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 43 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: Green's not going anywhere. Apparently, he's the best coach in Canada.....so "they" say 2 weeks ago he was supposed to be 2nd best in the NHL, he’s slipping fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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