Me_ Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 12 hours ago, ShawnAntoski said: Pass; would rather see the Canucks give OJ a legit chance before trading a still unknown player. …until OJ has no more value and we don’t re-sign him? Patrick is the 2OA17. He’s been ragdolled by the Flyers. Rushed into the league. He’s 22 years old. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 I would happily swap Juolevi and a late pick (or Juolevi + Lind) for him if they're forced into selling below value Re-sign Hawryluk and re-unite the 2015-2016 Brandon Wheat Kings Patrick is still quite young and was rushed a bit. Alain Vigneault is terrible at developing young talent (we all witnessed this). He wouldn't be coming here with the pressure to perform like a #2 overall pick. Juolevi's been surpassed by Rathbone and is pretty expendable from a Canucks' standpoint. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 17 minutes ago, Me_ said: …until OJ has no more value and we don’t re-sign him? Patrick is the 2OA17. He’s been ragdolled by the Flyers. Rushed into the league. He’s 22 years old. It will be up to Green, if he gives OJ the chance to increase that value - hopefully OJ does an EP and earns his spot from training camp & doesn’t even give Green the chance to sit him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 13 hours ago, ShawnAntoski said: Pass; would rather see the Canucks give OJ a legit chance before trading a still unknown player. I dono if OJ has it man. There are things to like but he simply cannot defend the rush I don't know if the lower body injuries affected him but he turns like mecha godzilla from the 80's 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 Just now, hammertime said: I dono if OJ has it man. There are things to like but he simply cannot defend the rush I don't know if the lower body injuries affected him but he turns like mecha godzilla from the 80's I get it, but in the right system and paired with the right partner he can still be very effective; hopefully the rumour of new (veteran) assistants will be able to help him improve this flaw but he does have the IQ to play in the league. I did noticed this flaw but he did a lot of things well as well - overall if given a legit chance like Chatfield, good chance he sticks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said: It will be up to Green, if he gives OJ the chance to increase that value - hopefully OJ does an EP and earns his spot from training camp & doesn’t even give Green the chance to sit him. Juolevi won’t make it under Green. He’s the new Ballard. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Me_ said: …until OJ has no more value and we don’t re-sign him? Patrick is the 2OA17. He’s been ragdolled by the Flyers. Rushed into the league. He’s 22 years old. Imo, the only thing Patrick has going for him is his draft pedigree and to a certain degree, the same can be said for OJ but OJ is still an unknown commodity with the potential to be a top 4 D. Would rather see if he can develope before trading him cause trading or signing for a top 4 D can be very expensive. Edited June 8, 2021 by ShawnAntoski 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alflives Posted June 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, hammertime said: I dono if OJ has it man. There are things to like but he simply cannot defend the rush I don't know if the lower body injuries affected him but he turns like mecha godzilla from the 80's All NHL D get beat wide, especially when the attack comes off a neutral zone, or high offence zone, turnover. It’s why the bigger guys, like Chara, pretty much retreat to their dot, and only engage if the forward tries to go east west. OJ will be fine. I expect him to be a 18 to 22 minute D man for us next season. 3 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Me_ said: Juolevi won’t make it under Green. He’s the new Ballard. Yeah, Green will be the X factor in his development with the Canucks - hopefully the new assistants will be able to help him get his ice time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Alflives said: All NHL D get beat wide, especially when the attack comes off a neutral zone, or high offence zone, turnover. It’s why the bigger guys, like Chara, pretty much retreat to their dot, and only engage if the forward tries to go east west. OJ will be fine. I expect him to be a 18 to 22 minute D man for us next season. Yeah, he has the size and IQ to play but Green is the speed bump - imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said: Imo, the only thing Patrick has going for him is his draft pedigree and to a certain degree, the same can be said for OJ but OJ is still an unknown commodity with the potential to be a top 4 D. Would rather see if he can develope before trading him cause trading or signing those type of players can be very expensive. PHI Virtanen Rathbone 9OA21 VAN Patrick 13OA21 Edited June 8, 2021 by Me_ 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Me_ said: PHI Virtanen Rathbone 9OA21 VAN Patrick 13OA21 Are you a Canuck’s fan? Why would we offer the Bone in such a trade? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: Are you a Canuck’s fan? Why would we offer the Bone in such a trade? For the 22yr old 2OA17 & the 13OA21. If Rathbone is the highlight of our defense, the Canucks are in much bigger trouble than we thought. Edited June 8, 2021 by Me_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ShawnAntoski Posted June 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, Me_ said: PHI Virtanen Rathbone 9OA21 VAN Patrick 13OA21 JV for Patrick - seems to be a more fair deal. 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Me_ said: For the 22yr old 2OA17 & the 13OA21. Does it matter where a guy was drafted, or how good he is in the National League? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Alflives said: Does it matter where a guy was drafted, or how good he is in the National League? How good is Juolevi? As good as the coach wants. Same for Patrick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Me_ said: How good is Juolevi? As good as the coach wants. Same for Patrick. Yeah, hope he earns that spot in training camp like an unkown Tanev (without the draft pedigree). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 11 hours ago, aznmonk said: not another furland pickup..... it wouldnt be like that. It would be a 1 year bridge show me year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucksownyou Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Me_ said: For the 22yr old 2OA17 & the 13OA21. If Rathbone is the highlight of our defense, the Canucks are in much bigger trouble than we thought. Umm, Rathbone has shown great potential. I don't know what the hell your problem is with him. Your proposal is garbage for someone who doesn't actually have as much value as you think. Edited June 8, 2021 by Nucksownyou 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 10 hours ago, Provost said: Whoops I actually didn’t pay attention. I wouldn’t do the puck swap either… I was reading the OJ for Patrick swap straight up. any more and its too risky. I wouldn't move Rathbone thats for sure. I guess if Jake isn't charged, if they went for that sure why not. Can't see it tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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