oldnews Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 I'd take Tatar over Drouin - but apparently the Habs need neither of them (scratching Tatar through most of the postseason).... I'd take this deal over Hoffman's as well - which makes little sense to me. Hoffman is weak possession player / top 6 or bust type imo - signed to play where in that lineup? One of him or Drouin wind up in their bottom six imo - go figure how either of those make sense, particularly when you have a pair of young centers on the top two lines with Evans and Paquette filling the bottom 6 C spots - are serviceable enough - but don't expect either of them to fill the vacant skates of Danault. Bergevin had a great offseason last year - this year he's right back to bottom of the pack imo. Hard to see this team not taking a step backwards (not referring to regular season results here - just don't think they have the quality to advance in the playoffs like they did this year....) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, oldnews said: I'd take Tatar over Drouin - but apparently the Habs need neither of them (scratching Tatar through most of the postseason).... I'd take this deal over Hoffman's as well - which makes little sense to me. Hoffman is weak possession player / top 6 or bust type imo - signed to play where in that lineup? One of him or Drouin wind up in their bottom six imo - go figure how either of those make sense, particularly when you have a pair of young centers on the top two lines with Evans and Paquette filling the bottom 6 C spots - are serviceable enough - but don't expect either of them to fill the vacant skates of Danault. Bergevin had a great offseason last year - this year he's right back to bottom of the pack imo. Hard to see this team not taking a step backwards (not referring to regular season results here - just don't think they have the quality to advance in the playoffs like they did this year....) Drouin seems to be a player that's just wishing he wasn't in Montreal anymore. Unfortunately, trading him with net them no value they'd want back. I agree - Tatar should've been kept, but him being out for most of the playoffs was not great. With Bergevin, it just seems like he's wildly unpredictable. He's really not afraid to try anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Devils continue to get deeper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Bergevin knows that the Habs just got hot at the right time in the playoffs (hot streak, ended as soon as July started) and (good chance) they will be a non playoff team - just like Dallas last year l, were they made the finals and missed the playoffs the next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaSwede Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Tatar has been scratched in the playoffs by his last two coaches on his last two teams. I think there are a lot of question marks yet for the Devils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Dazzle said: He's really not afraid to try anything. How do you think he got the GM gig in the first place? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Tatar sees his offensive numbers dropped and is 30+. Has been a healthy scratch at times during the regular season to a regular healthy scratch come playoff time. Even when he plays in the playoffs, he's quite unproductive and doesn't provide much else if not generating offense in the top 6. If the Canucks make this signing, not a chance would the reaction that we are seeing in this thread would be the same. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, theo5789 said: Tatar sees his offensive numbers dropped and is 30+. Has been a healthy scratch at times during the regular season to a regular healthy scratch come playoff time. Even when he plays in the playoffs, he's quite unproductive and doesn't provide much else if not generating offense in the top 6. If the Canucks make this signing, not a chance would the reaction that we are seeing in this thread would be the same. I think that's not entirely fair. COVID year, contract year - yes, he underperformed - not nearly as bad as when he was in LV. Although I don't think Tatar is overpaid, especially because he has been pretty consistent throughout his career, I think the Pearson signing is not a bad deal either. Edited August 5, 2021 by Dazzle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 3 hours ago, dontaylorforprez said: I feel like this is similar to the Toffoli fiasco from last season. A guy they either gave up on or couldn’t afford.. pretty sure they could afford his asking price.. could be wrong. But I sure hope this stings them hard! He didn’t fit with Ducharme. He struggled this season once they replaced Julien and seas benched once Caufield made it into the lineup in the playoffs. He’s been replaced by Hoffman in Montreal. They won’t miss him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dazzle said: I think that's not entirely fair. COVID year, contract year - yes, he underperformed - not nearly as bad as when he was in LV. Although I don't think Tatar is overpaid, especially because he has been pretty consistent throughout his career, I think the Pearson signing is not a bad deal either. Most players try to amp their games up during contract years. Covid year, sure, but not everyone that had a bad year can be excused for it. Montreal had a decent run, but he wasn't part of it. He's got decent skill if given the time in the top 6 and if offense is all you would expect of him. All I know is there is enough flaws to his game that it would be nitpicked to hell if he signed here. He might work out in NJ because they don't have the depth and have plenty of ice time for his skill. I think they "over-paid" given the market and the fact that he had to join a bottom team. The term is less risky though, so that's nice. He reminds me of someone like Radim Vrbata. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 seems steep in this economy for what you're getting. if toffoli made it to ufa one offseason later, he'd be making $5.5 m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckhopefull Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 8 hours ago, Dazzle said: A big fan favourite of Montreal. See, even the 'great' Bergevin can let players walk for free, not just Benning. The knock on tatar is his plus and minus stat… he is usually in the minus category Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontaylorforprez Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 I think he will too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadcanucks Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 3 hours ago, theo5789 said: Most players try to amp their games up during contract years. Covid year, sure, but not everyone that had a bad year can be excused for it. Montreal had a decent run, but he wasn't part of it. He's got decent skill if given the time in the top 6 and if offense is all you would expect of him. All I know is there is enough flaws to his game that it would be nitpicked to hell if he signed here. He might work out in NJ because they don't have the depth and have plenty of ice time for his skill. I think they "over-paid" given the market and the fact that he had to join a bottom team. The term is less risky though, so that's nice. He reminds me of someone like Radim Vrbata. Exactly what I was thinking...guys who can get you points in the regular season, but disappear or don't have the courage to play playoff hockey. Some guys help you get to the playoffs and that's what they contribute to the cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 16 hours ago, Canuckhopefull said: The knock on tatar is his plus and minus stat… he is usually in the minus category setting aside the (marginal) value of the plus/minus stat (particularly out of context...) Tatar was +26 in Montreal. +23 for his career (was only a minus player two years in his career). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 (edited) 18 hours ago, qwijibo said: He didn’t fit with Ducharme. He struggled this season once they replaced Julien and seas benched once Caufield made it into the lineup in the playoffs. He’s been replaced by Hoffman in Montreal. They won’t miss him Edited August 6, 2021 by oldnews 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ilya Mikheyev Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Could see him and Sharangovich complimenting each other well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 On 8/5/2021 at 1:06 PM, Dazzle said: A big fan favourite of Montreal. See, even the 'great' Bergevin can let players walk for free, not just Benning. Say what? But we let Edler, Tanev, Markstrom and the greatest winger ever to play as a Canuck for like 12 games - TT (he's got his own acronym so he must be better then Sanderson right?) ... just so we could do this ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 On 8/5/2021 at 7:29 PM, theo5789 said: Most players try to amp their games up during contract years. Covid year, sure, but not everyone that had a bad year can be excused for it. Montreal had a decent run, but he wasn't part of it. He's got decent skill if given the time in the top 6 and if offense is all you would expect of him. All I know is there is enough flaws to his game that it would be nitpicked to hell if he signed here. He might work out in NJ because they don't have the depth and have plenty of ice time for his skill. I think they "over-paid" given the market and the fact that he had to join a bottom team. The term is less risky though, so that's nice. He reminds me of someone like Radim Vrbata. Vrbata is a good comp really. Tarter Sauce has been part of some pretty decent trades too. Check out what Vegas paid for him ... lol. Crazy right? And he was barely used during their run to the final. And JB gets crapped on for the picks he's traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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