Ilunga Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 7 minutes ago, Jack Fig said: So has Tex Watson and the Manson reprobates. Time for them to walk, too? If the parole board thinks they have been rehabilitated and family members are writing to the board to have them released,then yes that has to be taken into consideration. I don't know who Tex Watson is however what I know about the mansons is they are unrepentant and the current evidence seems they are incapable of being rehabilitated. You can't compare those cases with this particular case. I do not expect you to understand this as you have illustrated a history of not being able to ratiocinate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Fig Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Ilunga said: I don't know who Tex Watson is however what I know about the mansons is they are unrepentant and the current evidence seems they are incapable of being rehabilitated. Wrong again. Except for the leader himself (now deceased) they are all repentant. 22 minutes ago, Ilunga said: You can't compare those cases with this particular case. I'm not comparing the cases per re, only that they've also been imprisoned for over 50 years, as if that is some sort of moral consideration in itself. 22 minutes ago, Ilunga said: I do not expect you to understand this as you have illustrated a history of not being able to ratiocinate. Oh. Edited August 29, 2021 by Jack Fig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Jack Fig said: Wrong again, except for the leader himself (now deceased) they are all repentant. I'm not comparing the cases per re, only that they've also been imprisoned for over 50 years, as if that is some sort of moral consideration in itself. Oh. I don't keep up with the actions or thoughts of serial killers. If they are repentant then yes that has to be taken into consideration. You are comparing those cases to the case being discussed in this thread,you brought them up. Again you display your inability to ratiocinate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Fig Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 20 minutes ago, Ilunga said: I don't keep up with the actions or thoughts of serial killers. If they are repentant then yes that has to be taken into consideration. You are comparing those cases to the case being discussed in this thread,you brought them up. Again you display your inability to ratiocinate. Then you'll be happy to know that one of them has been recommended for release by the parole board (twice), only to be vetoed by the governor. (Did I ratiocinate okay this time?) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Just now, Jack Fig said: Then you'll be happy to know that one of them has been recommended for release by the parole board (twice), only to be vetoed by the governor. (Did I ratiocinate okay this time?) I am neither happy or sad. I believe the crimes they committed are horrendous. They kidnapped,tortured and killed many people. That makes me incredibly sad. That is completely different from a person who killed one man in a moment of passion. That man's son after intensive investigation and confronting the murderer thinks he is innocent. Taking these facts into consideration I do believe,that after spending 50 years in jail and the people who have taken the decision believe he is no danger to society,he should be released. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 11 minutes ago, Jack Fig said: Then you'll be happy to know that one of them has been recommended for release by the parole board (twice), only to be vetoed by the governor. (Did I ratiocinate okay this time?) In Canada we rehabilitate them head chopper cannibals real fast eh! “Baker […] stabbed, beheaded and partially cannibalized Tim McLean, 22.” https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/vince-li-discharge-1.3977278 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassbs Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said: If only.... Hide contents Lolllll. I should’ve clarified, positive change! Edited August 29, 2021 by sassbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnkNuk Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 7 hours ago, Gnarcore said: Sure it was a massive impact. But conjecture on impact doesnt change that in our system one life shouldnt matter more than any other. I think that's what I'm questioning. (And I'm really not sure about this, but here goes.) While each life may count equally, the roles we play in society differ. And the fact is, some people have roles that are much more important than those of the rest of us. And when those people are killed, because of their roles, it seems to me that there is an argument for treating their killers differently than other killers. One other thing: the idea of "rehabilitation" has been mentioned in this thread. Since when did punishment stop being an element in our judicial system? Let's say Sirhan actually was genuinely remorseful after, say, five years and was considered 'rehabilitated' by the authorities. Should he then be let out after five years? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnkNuk Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 3 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: He murdered a Kennedy and changed history which has not only affected the lives of the Kennedy family but also the lives of millions of Americans and people around the world. To be fair though he wasn't a lone shooter. The assassination of the Kennedy brothers was done on a much larger scale, with many people and organizations involved. These actual shooters were just the trigger men. The people who actually plotted to assassinate the Kennedy's walked away freely. I would release him and then he should be interrogated to see if he can bring out any new information on the assassination of the Kennedy brothers. I'm open to a conspiracy theory about the Kennedy killings. Who do you think was behind them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 10 minutes ago, UnkNuk said: I'm open to a conspiracy theory about the Kennedy killings. Who do you think was behind them? If there is some big conspiracy behind both assassinations why didn’t Bobby’s killer get murdered like John’s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnkNuk Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, Alflives said: If there is some big conspiracy behind both assassinations why didn’t Bobby’s killer get murdered like John’s? Dunno. Maybe Elias will tell us. But I always thought the killing of Oswald was suspicious. I guess there's nothing that says a small time hood like Jack Ruby couldn't become an outraged patriot. But I still think it was suspicious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jack Fig said: So has Tex Watson and the Manson reprobates. Time for them to walk, too? Tex Watson was found guilty of multiple murders (not just one). Actually one of them did get parole & released: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clem_Grogan Edited August 29, 2021 by NewbieCanuckFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) Actually another member of that "crew" received parole/released ("Squeaky Fromme"). Though she wasn't convicted in the Manson Murders but rather in jail as a result of attempting to murder President Gerald Ford. Edited August 29, 2021 by NewbieCanuckFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Fig Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 26 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Tex Watson was found guilty of multiple murders (not just one). Actually one of them did get parole & released: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clem_Grogan Yeah, Clem provided the death location of Shorty Shea in 1977, from which they recovered his body. Cut his sentence down. He's a guitar player now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarcore Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 52 minutes ago, UnkNuk said: I think that's what I'm questioning. (And I'm really not sure about this, but here goes.) While each life may count equally, the roles we play in society differ. And the fact is, some people have roles that are much more important than those of the rest of us. And when those people are killed, because of their roles, it seems to me that there is an argument for treating their killers differently than other killers. One other thing: the idea of "rehabilitation" has been mentioned in this thread. Since when did punishment stop being an element in our judicial system? Let's say Sirhan actually was genuinely remorseful after, say, five years and was considered 'rehabilitated' by the authorities. Should he then be let out after five years? No. But after 20? Maybe. After 50? Certainly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 13 minutes ago, UnkNuk said: I'm open to a conspiracy theory about the Kennedy killings. Who do you think was behind them? Joe Kennedy senior was anti- Semitic and a bit of a supporter of Hitler it seems. https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/697 Joe Ruby's full name is Joe Rubenstein. See how easy it is to sow the seeds of doubt. Just need some gullibility. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 2 hours ago, UnkNuk said: I'm open to a conspiracy theory about the Kennedy killings. Who do you think was behind them? CIA... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 10 hours ago, UnkNuk said: Dunno. Maybe Elias will tell us. But I always thought the killing of Oswald was suspicious. I guess there's nothing that says a small time hood like Jack Ruby couldn't become an outraged patriot. But I still think it was suspicious. If the Kennedy brothers could be killed then why not Epstein? Epstein had lots to say about the activity of many upper class douches. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InstantHockey Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 dunno about this particular case, but for me the equation is simple - kill a person in cold blood == death penalty. A living and kill-able being should be made to pay the ultimate price (their life), if they cross the thresholds near-universally seen by most of our species as death penalty worthy ( murder, rape, etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 After spending 50 years in prison, you would think that he would like to die in there. He is lucky that he avoided the death penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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