Popular Post Dazzle Posted September 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 4, 2021 It's my speculation that the Canucks probably looked at Dvorak while looking at Garland. However, I think Garland was the better choice of the two. Canucks tend to have a preference for centers. However, Garland brings a dynamic that is less vanilla than Dvorak. I'm a bit surprised that the 2nd round pick is only for 2024. 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: Minimal risk for Montreal acquiring Dvorak. He’s easily worth a late 1st with his contract. Arizona obviously continues their goal of having every pick in the 2022 draft. Still a chance for Montreal to be big losers in all of this though depending on Kotkaniemi’s career path. Probably the best out of a series of bad possible outcomes though. KK wasn't going to hit his potential in Montreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dixon Ward Posted September 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 4, 2021 I think Montreal played this really well. Carolina is now overpaying for a 3rd line centre and will be stuck with a high QO after giving up a 1st and 3rd to get him. Montreal is now paying 1.6 million less for a better player. Where Montreal failed was at the draft when they picked Kotkaniemi. It was a reach at the time and they missed out on Brady Tkachuk and Quinn Hughes who would actually be worth matching. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said: Not really. It’s all part of the CBA. Carolina chose to massively overpay Kotkaniemi out of spite. I’m sure they like the player too. But paying him $6.1m was payback for Aho. Kotkaniemi is a loss for Montreal. I’ve always liked him avd I won’t start trashing him now. But if Dvorak works out in Montreal then they’ve somewhat mitigated the loss 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Dixon Ward said: I think Montreal played this really well. Carolina is now overpaying for a 3rd line centre and will be stuck with a high QO after giving up a 1st and 3rd to get him. Montreal is now paying 1.6 million less for a better player. Where Montreal failed was at the draft when they picked Kotkaniemi. It was a reach at the time and they missed out on Brady Tkachuk and Quinn Hughes who would actually be worth matching. I love that the two trading partners are the reason why Hughes landed to the Canucks .. just wait for the Yotes to send that pick over to the Redwings and everything will come to full circle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 Wow. For the 2022 draft...Arizona has 3 x 1st and 5 x 2nds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 So it’s the Canes first and the Habs second. Arizona will pick 24th and 38th. The Habs are going to be awful this year. And that makes old Alf LAUGH HIS FURRY ASS OFF! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, iinatcc said: I love that the two trading partners are the reason why Hughes landed to the Canucks .. just wait for the Yotes to send that pick over to the Redwings and everything will come to full circle I like Hayton a lot still, and hope he gets out of Arizona soon so they don't screw up his development. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BPA said: Wow. For the 2022 draft...Arizona has 3 x 1st and 5 x 2nds. And, ironically, those Hab’s picks traded for Dvorak will be playing in Quebec City! Edited September 4, 2021 by Alflives 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Ward Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, BPA said: Wow. For the 2022 draft...Arizona has 3 x 1st and 5 x 2nds. They also have Chycrun, Keller, Hayton, Soderstrom, Schmaltz, Guenther, to build on. I think they will be able to finally find a buyer and a new city with all this future potential. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 Just now, Dixon Ward said: They also have Chycrun, Keller, Hayton, Soderstrom, Schmaltz, Guenther, to build on. I think they will be able to finally find a buyer and a new city with all this future potential. Quebec City is going to have a better team than Montreal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetterssonOrPeterson Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 Should've just kept those picks imo. I think Kotkaniemi ends up being a much better player than Dvorak ever will be, not to mention a few years younger. Dvorak is the better player at the moment but not even that much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 16 minutes ago, Dixon Ward said: I think Montreal played this really well. Carolina is now overpaying for a 3rd line centre and will be stuck with a high QO after giving up a 1st and 3rd to get him. Montreal is now paying 1.6 million less for a better player. Where Montreal failed was at the draft when they picked Kotkaniemi. It was a reach at the time and they missed out on Brady Tkachuk and Quinn Hughes who would actually be worth matching. Yep, the real burn is that Montreal gave up a 3rd OA pick for a 58 OA pick. Dvorjak is a good late 2nd pick but what a 3 OA coulda woulda shoulda been ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 5 minutes ago, PetterssonOrPeterson said: Should've just kept those picks imo. I think Kotkaniemi ends up being a much better player than Dvorak ever will be, not to mention a few years younger. Dvorak is the better player at the moment but not even that much better. JK is six months older than Caufield. The Canes literally stole a potentially great player. Dvorak is coming 26. He is what he is. An average (at best) player. Bergevin is definitely looking the fool that he truly is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: Yep, the real burn is that Montreal gave up a 3rd OA pick for a 58 OA pick. Dvorjak is a good late 2nd pick but what a 3 OA coulda woulda shoulda been ..... draft position is pretty much meaningless once the players are In The league. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted September 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 4, 2021 Loui, Rooster, and Beagle keep climbing up that Arizona depth chart. They’re gonna be the Coyotes first line pretty soon. 20 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 Just now, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: Loui, Rooster, and Beagle keep climbing up that Arizona depth chart. They’re gonna be the Coyotes first line pretty soon. That team is such a joke. They’re clearly tanking. There are no hockey fans in Arizona to care. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 I doubt Carolina ever thought that Montreal wouldn't match. They went off the board when the drafted KK and now, he performs more to the expected level of a mid-1st round pick and $6.1 is a big over payment. The real tragedy here is that Kotkaneimi, if he doesn't live up to his $6.1M, will wind up not getting qualified next year and then what??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 Just now, Alflives said: That team is such a joke. They’re clearly tanking. There are no hockey fans in Arizona to care. Hopefully Quebec City will inherit a promising young team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 5 minutes ago, qwijibo said: draft position is pretty much meaningless once the players are In The league. I know that, but you would expect a really good player for 3 OA and now the Habs have a fair to middling player instead of what should have been a top line player The mistake, as Dixon Ward said, was to draft KK at 3 OA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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