Scottydzik Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: Imagine never going on a cup run because you never rebuild properly and keep signing players past their prime. Actually, don’t have to imagine. Whens last time we had Canuck hit 99 points horvat had tons of opportunity in top 6 to do that he will never hit 80 points 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 ok wadda I miss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoastcanucks777 Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Canucks Curse said: if you dangle horvat to NYR you probably can get them to move Schneider lol How dare you to want to want to dangle horvat like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottydzik Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 Just now, Westcoastcanucks777 said: How dare you to want to want to dangle horvat like that horvat For Schiender Kratsov call it day 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 tbh the package we want for Miller is something closer to what we would get for horvat 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 any updates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 1 hour ago, flickyoursedin said: Their will always be a dumpster team that will take a 1rst round pick to eat the cap. I know it sucks but that’s the price of doing business. Look at the Maple Leafs and Oilers moves this off-season. Yes, because the Oilers and Leafs are great examples of how to responsibly manage cap space.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeQuinnAndEggs Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 Maybe I'm in the minority but im glad they are standing pat. We had well above fringe playoff win% in the second half of the season. If it ain't broken, don't fix it 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckfanforlife82 Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Devron said: Well it kinda is. You made a whole thread about how awful and disappointed you are in things. The off-season has just begun. If you can sign Miller to reasonable term you do that. Seems unlikely to me. That said we weren’t going to fix anything through the draft. People whining about not getting RH defencemen. Well those picks aren’t going to play for probably 5 years if they play at all. Miller can still fetch us a return for the desired position or management has to get creative. Thankfully we don’t have to make Panic moves like we have the past couple years. I made a thread saying I was disappointed in the fact there was an opportunity to get a deal done and not prolong the inevitable. I also thought there was an opportunity to shed salary but apparently not. As I said, I hope some things are done in the next few weeks. They new management has done nothing g so far to improve the current club. Saying they are trying to sign players that we have already seen and players that have produced very little results does not really make sense. If they did indeed sign Miller what else can they really do to improve their club especially on D. We are currently screwed by Benning’s errors but the writing is on the wall with Miller. Don’t make another mistake with another long term contract. No one has really given any resolutions for our D. It is a big flaw. We can’t just sign Miller and pretend we can get through a season with it the way it is. A trade is the only way to address it. Edited July 9, 2022 by Canuckfanforlife82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 So, rumour has it that Allvin won't let other teams talk to Miller's agent and that's what's blocking any trade(s)? Not sure how I feel about this, but I don't see why they wouldn't allow it, as it's certainly going to affect value that a team wants to offer. I'm starting to have a bad feeling about this whole thing, that we're going to hold onto him and either crush his value more or, worse, lose him to FA for nothing one day. Tell me I'm wrong, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckfanforlife82 Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 37 minutes ago, BlakeQuinnAndEggs said: Maybe I'm in the minority but im glad they are standing pat. We had well above fringe playoff win% in the second half of the season. If it ain't broken, don't fix it It was broke. They couldn’t even make the playoffs and they had to rely on goaltending because the d was so bad. It def is broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Naslund Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 1 hour ago, DrJockitch said: Imagine never going on a cup run because you never rebuild properly and keep signing players past their prime. Actually, don’t have to imagine. Imagine trading all your players as they hit their primes so you don't have to pay them fair value because MAYBE for 25% of their contract length they may not play to their cap hit. Then you subsequently overpay stop gap players so that you can tank to either A) get screwed over by the draft lottery, or get some high profile players, and then also complain when they ask for fair value as they hit their primes, because MAYBE for 25% of their contract length they MAY not play to their value. Cycle of mediocrity. Tankers need to get the idea out of their heads that we're going to tank for Local boy Bedard this year. The perpetual tankers of the league (Buffalo, Edmonton, Arizona) haven't moved the needle in years 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoastcanucks777 Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Scottydzik said: horvat For Schiender Kratsov call it day Not shabby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogs & Podz Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Jester13 said: So, rumour has it that Allvin won't let other teams talk to Miller's agent and that's what's blocking any trade(s)? Not sure how I feel about this, but I don't see why they wouldn't allow it, as it's certainly going to affect value that a team wants to offer. I'm starting to have a bad feeling about this whole thing, that we're going to hold onto him and either crush his value more or, worse, lose him to FA for nothing one day. Tell me I'm wrong, please. You're wrong.... There you happy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 Just now, Hogs & Podz said: You're wrong.... There you happy? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Hogs & Podz said: You're wrong.... There you happy? On a serious note, is it a good or bad strategy to take, not allowing any other teams talk to his agent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice8eight Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 (edited) This became a trade Horvat thread. Jesus! Edited July 9, 2022 by ice8eight 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogs & Podz Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Jester13 said: On a serious note, is it a good or bad strategy to take, not allowing any other teams talk to his agent? It's standard until the management team has exhausted all scenarios... It's been the media and fans that have assumed there's no option but trading JT. However, Rutherford and Allvin have mentioned more than once, they're looking to keep him if they can. What I'm wondering, is are the nucks management pitching to JT's camp how his own career took off since he's been here. That he's settled and has great chemistry with his teammates... Really... Will he have a better opportunity then what he's already got? "Take 6 years at 8, front loaded with performance bonuses and a modified (10 team) no trade clause...and win with this core that you are a big part of." I'm starting to feel that he wants to stay, and is contemplating taking less. Tell me I'm wrong.... Edited July 9, 2022 by Hogs & Podz 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 1 hour ago, .Naslund said: Imagine trading all your players as they hit their primes so you don't have to pay them fair value because MAYBE for 25% of their contract length they may not play to their cap hit. Then you subsequently overpay stop gap players so that you can tank to either A) get screwed over by the draft lottery, or get some high profile players, and then also complain when they ask for fair value as they hit their primes, because MAYBE for 25% of their contract length they MAY not play to their value. Cycle of mediocrity. Tankers need to get the idea out of their heads that we're going to tank for Local boy Bedard this year. The perpetual tankers of the league (Buffalo, Edmonton, Arizona) haven't moved the needle in years Except when Miller’s new contract kicks in he’ll be at the tail-end of his prime years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Loui Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 4 hours ago, shiznak said: Imagine a declining 36-yrs old Miller taking 8m of the team’s cap space, when the team is ready to compete for the Cup. Not being able the add any impactful additions to the team. Don't forget 36 year old OEL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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