[Rumour] J.T. Miller Trade/Contract Talks

[stawns]

29 minutes ago, CanucksJay said:

It was so refreshing at times last year when PP1 overhandled and overpassed the puck where I'd feel so frustrated watching and then PP2 with guys like Pearson comes on and just scores the old school way with a point shot and a screen in front.

 

I believe there is enough talent for 2 good PPs but we need to get a little creative with line deployment.

 

PP1 Boeser, Miller, Petey Garland,  Hughes.  

PP2 Kuz, Horvat, Podz,  Hogz, OEL (maybe Pearson instead of Hogz?)

 

Kuzmenko plays a very similar role to Boeser's spot on the PP so he would be a natural fit. Horvat moving from bumper on PP1 down to PP2 might disrupt things a little. 

I think these 2 PP units could function in a very similar way and BB should just give them 1 minute each.  More goals might get scored this way.

 

I wonder how often our PP1 unit scores after staying out past a minute? 

I'm sure our execs are on top of that stat as well. 

I feel like if both units knew they only had 1 minute, we'd see a lot more urgency with more pucks being directed at the net.  The lack of urgency on PP1 kills me sometimes

 

And that's where OEL is a better QB choice than Hughes.......hes not cute with the puck, he makes hard, crisp passes and he's got a great shot that gets to the net.  I like the idea of Hughes roving around the zone, supporting the puck and making his magical little saucer passes to open guys......I also think he'd get more goals that way.

 

[Gawdzukes]

51 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

What on earth does this mean?

 

[DeNiro]

3 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

What on earth does this mean?

 

It means they’re trading Miller.

 

They aren’t comfortable with subtracting a 30 goal scoring 100 point player from their roster but they may need to in order to take steps forward. 
 

That’s how I read into it at least.

[Jester13]

With the SCF over and our boys getting inducted to the HOF, I'm feeling like a big trade is about to get announced next this week. 

[-Vintage Canuck-]

11 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

What on earth does this mean?

 

They’re going to make a non-emotional decision.

[AC Readership]

1 hour ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

Hopefully that means they are blowing it up.

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, AC Readership said:

Hopefully that means they are blowing it up.

I think this means the younger guys (who are still here after the summer) are expected to take over from guys like Miller, Myers, Garland who are getting moved out.  Heck, Bo might go too, and management expects the young guys left to take over for him too.  New leadership around Petey, Hughes, Demko.  

[AC Readership]

2 minutes ago, Alflives said:

I think this means the younger guys (who are still here after the summer) are expected to take over from guys like Miller, Myers, Garland who are getting moved out.  Heck, Bo might go too, and management expects the young guys left to take over for him too.  New leadership around Petey, Hughes, Demko.  

Tanking & rebuild incoming.

[Ferlands_Head]

6 hours ago, Meh said:

You said projects not prospects, big difference.

They’re still projects and have lots of development left to even be long term nhl players. They’re certainly not blue chip prospects not even close. 
 

Chytil while he was hot in the playoffs is wildly inconsistent and we’ve seen hot spurts like that before. He’s a project. 

 

Lundkvist still needs a lot of development he’s got some decent tools but is still a project at this point and he’s fallen off the depth chart behind 3rd round pick Zac Jones. 
 

this is not even close to a proper offer for Miller. 

[SilentSam]

1 hour ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

Bo to the Rangers

Brock to Minnesota or New Jersey .   
 

Or both to   _______________________.
 

 

[Alflives]

15 minutes ago, AC Readership said:

Tanking & rebuild incoming.

That would be great!  We will see the direction with the return.  If most important pieces coming back top prospects, high picks, and young guys with room to develop, then the tank is on.  If the key parts of any return are fully developed players, who are 23-27, that are expected to help right now (and the futures aren’t the key parts of the return) then we know the direction hadn’t changed from the Benning era.  But we have way smarter people making the deals, so that could work too.  

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

Bo to the Rangers

Brock to Minnesota or New Jersey .   
 

Or both to   _______________________.
 

 

Bo to the Rags?  Kakko + what in return?

Brock, because of his contract, just doesn’t have much value.  Far more likely it’s Garland that’s moved.  

[MeanSeanBean]

50 minutes ago, stawns said:

He plays behind QH on the pp, but 5v5 hrs pretty much the go to guy

I think Hughes is just as good 5v5 if not better then OEL. I just think OEL had a partner who could handle more minutes. Myers, for as much heat as he takes at times, can eat minutes. If we didn't have OEL we probably would have found a better option then Schenn to be playing with Hughes, therefore leading to more 5on5.

 

That's at least my take.

[SilentSam]

9 minutes ago, Alflives said:

That would be great!  We will see the direction with the return.  If most important pieces coming back top prospects, high picks, and young guys with room to develop, then the tank is on.  If the key parts of any return are fully developed players, who are 23-27, that are expected to help right now (and the futures aren’t the key parts of the return) then we know the direction hadn’t changed from the Benning era.  But we have way smarter people making the deals, so that could work too.  

[Alflives]

5 minutes ago, Shayster007 said:

I think Hughes is just as good 5v5 if not better then OEL. I just think OEL had a partner who could handle more minutes. Myers, for as much heat as he takes at times, can eat minutes. If we didn't have OEL we probably would have found a better option then Schenn to be playing with Hughes, therefore leading to more 5on5.

 

That's at least my take.

How good must Quinn be to make Schenn an effective top pairing guy?  Schenn is really a 7th D, who fills in on the bottom pair during injuries.  I think we sometimes forget Quinn’s rookie season when he had an actual high end partner - Tanev.  

[SilentSam]

8 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Bo to the Rags?  Kakko + what in return?

Brock, because of his contract, just doesn’t have much value.  Far more likely it’s Garland that’s moved.  

Garland is a better player, playing for less.

[AC Readership]

15 minutes ago, Alflives said:

That would be great!  We will see the direction with the return.  If most important pieces coming back top prospects, high picks, and young guys with room to develop, then the tank is on.  If the key parts of any return are fully developed players, who are 23-27, that are expected to help right now (and the futures aren’t the key parts of the return) then we know the direction hadn’t changed from the Benning era.  But we have way smarter people making the deals, so that could work too.  

Hopefully it's top prospects & high picks coming back.

[stawns]

13 minutes ago, Shayster007 said:

I think Hughes is just as good 5v5 if not better then OEL. I just think OEL had a partner who could handle more minutes. Myers, for as much heat as he takes at times, can eat minutes. If we didn't have OEL we probably would have found a better option then Schenn to be playing with Hughes, therefore leading to more 5on5.

 

That's at least my take.

QH is average to below average, defensively.  OEL and Myers play the hard mins 5v5 because they are the best defensive dmen on the team.  OEL is an outstanding skater, can play physical and is very cerebral in his game.  I love Hughes, but he's not in the same category as OEL defensively, not even close

 

 

[stawns]

7 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

Garland is a better player, playing for less.

Agreed, I don't get why anyone includes Garland in trade talk.  He's a play driver, he's got more grit than BB and he's cost controlled and plays to his contract.

[aGENT]

5 hours ago, ba;;isticsports said:

If the Canucks had just kept Russel, Beagle, L.E, we would have had $12 mil plus the $7,260 mil not paying OEL (and have Guenther or?) most likely a higher 1st round pick this draft and this years 2nd round pick retained

Plus not signing Dickenson we'd have another $2.65 mil

Those trades set us back and put us in the bind  we are in, Without them, we could afford to sign our better players, but would it change signing 30 yr olds to long term contracts?

I think the proposals and who we would sign would look much different than they do now

 

 

4 hours ago, Shayster007 said:

This. I was very vocal all along about hating the OEL trade (which is unusual for me because I was a Benning homer for the most part). It was one of the first times I had really felt the wrath of the positive crew around these parts when I spoke out against it. 

 

I'm now a very vocal supporter in trading Miller. But if we hadn't done the OEL trade, I don't think I would be. We would have had plenty of cap opening up, and not hitched our horse to an aging player with a huge contract. When I speak about my perceived inability for the Canucks to manage the cap with Miller getting paid, it's because we already have one of those contracts. If OEL wasn't on the books, and Miller was our only 30+ getting bank, I might feel differently. 

 

I simply just don't think this team is good enough to have two of those contracts on this roster. Which is obviously hard for for me to admit after supporting the path this team was taking for so many years under JB. When you watch the playoffs it becomes abundantly evident we don't have enough talent on this roster to compete with the elite teams. 

 

I'd make that OEL/Garland trade again today. Like not even a question. I'd also be moving Miller regardless of that trade (assuming we can't sign him to  a 5 year x low $8-something deal).

 

 

3 hours ago, wai_lai416 said:

Ya a top 1/2 defenseman on another team. He’s not the #1/2 defenseman in Vancouver and he never will be as long as Hughes is in Vancouver or they decide to force one of them to play the right side. As it stands he’s the #3 defenseman on this team. The 2nd pairing defenseman. Garland is fine. OEL is fine as a player but he’s not worth 7.25 on the canucks to be a 2nd pairing defenseman. Regardless of how u look at it he’s the 2nd pairing defenseman in a more defensive role.. most teams around the league have a 2nd pairing in the 5 mid 5s range that plays the same role with similar production. OEL is capable of more production for sure. But he ain’t getting it in Vancouver and that’s the point. He’s overpaid in Vancouver for how he is and will be utilized 

 

Again, that's a roster construction/management issue, not an OEL/contract issue 

 

The ability to fill ~50 out of 60 minutes of a game, with two, legit first pair D is INVALUABLE.

 

Now we're just need to build a proper D core around them.