J-23 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Horvat is a Boss said: Looking at this trade, it's clear that we are closer to being in Florida's position rather than Calgary's when it comes to moving Miller. Miller is probably worth slightly less than Huberdeau (less elite skill and points, but he does play center and power-forward game, so tough to judge) and Weegar is an excellent piece to add as well, albeit on an expiring deal. A similar package that the Canucks could offer would be something like Miller, one of Garland or Hoglander (depending on the cap situation of the the other team), plus some future asset(s), including potentially our 2023 1st. That is a serious package, but there are a lot of things to consider in a trade this big: Who would the Canucks target in return? What teams would actually be open to making an aggressive trade like this? What teams could manipulate their cap space enough to make something like this happen? What teams might Miller be willing to re-sign with? These are all significant factors and finding a deal that addresses all of them to our satisfaction is unlikely. There are some teams that have the cap space, but they would not be interested in Miller at all. Some teams may have the pieces that Canucks are looking for, but not the cap flexibility to make a deal of this magnitude. I think what we are realizing is that no team meets all of those criteria, which is why the trade hasn't happened yet. But other teams are making things happen and the clock is ticking. I think there are really only seven teams that might possibly match up with these conditions well enough to make a trade: The Devils, Islanders, Rangers, Hurricanes, Avalanche Leafs and Capitals. The Avalanche, Leafs and Capitals only have futures to offer and would likely only be interested in Miller rather than a larger package. The Hurricanes have Necas as an intriguing young player, but other than that we are looking purely at futures in return along with cap-balancing contracts from all of these teams. The Devils are an interesting possible partner. They don't have much cap space at the moment (8.7M, but re-signing Bratt and Wood will use up all of that room), but they have some contracts that can be included in this trade or moved out separately (Johnsson, Tatar, Severson). While their young defenseman in L. Hughes and Nemec are untouchable, an intriguing player there is Mercer. He's a 20 year old right-handed, sturdy center with speed to burn who put up over 40 points in his rookie year last year. He would be an excellent addition to our top-9 as either our 3C or a winger in the top-6. If we take back Severson as well then we address our RHD and simultaneously balance out the cap in the trade. Sharangovich is another young forward who could be an interesting fit with our forward group. This all hinges on whether the Devils actually want to be this aggressive in improving, which they may not be. Something like Miller + Hoglander + 1st 2023 (top-5 protected) for Mercer + Severson is the best I can come up with. I'm not sure if New Jersey would actually be interested in Miller that much, but after striking out on both Gaudreau and Tkachuk it's clear they want to do something big. The Rangers are also interesting since they have long been rumoured to be interested in Miller. Their cap situation is extremely rigid though, which means making a deal will be tough. We will definitely have to take back at least one contract. They do have some interesting young pieces though, including Lafreniere, Kakko, Schneider, Chytil, Kravtsov, etc. Our ideal targets would be Lafreniere or Schneider, but who knows if that can actually be done. Something like Miller + Hoglander + 2023 1st (top-3 protected) for Schneider + Goodrow is the best I can come up with there. I'm not convinced either team bites on that though. The Islanders are a dream big partner. Offering a massive package for Dobson didn't seem possible until now, but even then there's no guarantee that they actually accept it. They could very well choose to keep their young stud RHD. The real dream though is Barzal requesting a trade and listing Vancouver as one of his preferred destinations since he's from BC. A package similar to the one I outlined in the beginning would check a lot of boxes, but if the Islanders are looking for purely futures then something like Lekkerimakki + Garland/Hoglander + 1st 2023 (top-5 protected) + 2nd 2024 would be a lot to give up, but I think it would be worth it to get someone of Barzal's caliber. Keep in mind, this is all in a dream scenario. The bottom line is, the landscape for a Miller trade is pretty desolate right now. Teams do not have the flexibility to make these kind of moves this offseason and if Huberdeau is available at the deadline then it hurts a potential return for us at the deadline as well. Management has the benefit of the doubt until we see how this all ends. Dobson will not be moved. He is 6.04 and a beast. Future Norris winner. Also I would not move 2 first rounders++ for Barzal. If Barzal wants to come here there is always FA? Edited July 24, 2022 by J-23 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 1 minute ago, stawns said: I still say he has every intention of leaving, short of a massive offer from Van Yes I think so too... Think the extension would already have been done, if he was staying... Hence I feel they missed the boat not shipping him out at the TDL. I've said that all along. I was on the fence regarding sign or deal... but wanted it done sooner rather than later 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rackdawg Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, spook007 said: True... When theres 20 some odd players on a team.. you can bet alot of players rub other teamates the wrong way on ALL teams..not everyone gets along with each other..id love for JT to come back on a say 7 x 8 mill a season ..the guys the guts of this team !!!! Hes the true leader !! clear out oels contract somehow and get this guy signed asap ! Edited July 24, 2022 by Rackdawg 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 5 hours ago, NHL97OneTimer said: Well this is the way it should really work. I wished the NHL had a ceiling of a 3-5 year contract. It's a business that the NHL wants to succeed and no market loves seeing a player being a deadweight anchor with an overpaid contract for too many years. Too many guys are getting paid for their potential instead of their current level and it's all about the pressure that a team may lose them. The game itself would also be better if more guys were in contract years being more accountable to themselves. Makes for an interesting off-season too. A guy like Miller I wouldn't worry about from a mental perspective. I think he'll give it his all regardless. It's his age that is the concern. Isn't the problem though, how easy it is for players to jump ship? If there was a 3-5 year ceiling, wouldn't we see even more UFAs just leaving the less desirable destinations? Maybe tearing these franchises apart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, Rackdawg said: When theres 20 some odd players on a team.. you can bet alot of players rub other teamates the wrong way on ALL teams..not everyone gets along with each other..id love for JT to come back on a say 7 x 8 mill a season ..the guys the guts of this team !!!! Hes the true leader !! clear our oels contract somehow and get this guy signed asap ! Of course there is...its like any work place. You don't necessarily have to love everyone... It the managements job to keep an eye on it all... I'm in the same boat. I don't mind a player, who wears his heart on his sleeve like Miller... Bo does as well, but does it differently. Feel Miller is Ying to Peteys or Bos' Yang 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Horvat is a Boss said: The Islanders are a dream big partner. Offering a massive package for Dobson didn't seem possible until now, but even then there's no guarantee that they actually accept it. They could very well choose to keep their young stud RHD. The real dream though is Barzal requesting a trade and listing Vancouver as one of his preferred destinations since he's from BC. A package similar to the one I outlined in the beginning would check a lot of boxes, but if the Islanders are looking for purely futures then something like Lekkerimakki + Garland/Hoglander + 1st 2023 (top-5 protected) + 2nd 2024 would be a lot to give up, but I think it would be worth it to get someone of Barzal's caliber. Keep in mind, this is all in a dream scenario. If Barzal were available, Lou apparently already is interested in Miller, so add Rathbone & Hogs, then if they want another 1st something else has to come back, but I'd be all in on that, within some degree of reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 Miller for Lundell should still be on the table . Would we be able to afford to take on some cap for a season though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rackdawg Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, spook007 said: Of course there is...its like any work place. You don't necessarily have to love everyone... It the managements job to keep an eye on it all... I'm in the same boat. I don't mind a player, who wears his heart on his sleeve like Miller... Bo does as well, but does it differently. Feel Miller is Ying to Peteys or Bos' Yang Yup..bo and peety need miller for this team to get anywhere imho.. Edited July 24, 2022 by Rackdawg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 people can't start mentioning Barzal, it would be too dreamy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Ilya Mikheyev said: people can't start mentioning Barzal, it would be too dreamy Anything is possible with CDC proposals. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EB43 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 (edited) I keep checking back.. it’s sat night these pages are going up molasses like. Edited July 24, 2022 by EB43 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 Entering a fantasy world for a moment where Lou Lam didn't just move his 2022 1st for a Dobson partner and where every trade is like the Tkachuk trade: Miller, Garland, Hoglander, Rathbone & a lottery protected 1st 2025 for Dobson w/a 8 year contract, Beauvillier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post rekker Posted July 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: Any minute now... I need a life, I need to stop checking on this, I need help. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 8 hours ago, DrJockitch said: When was the last time a team traded a solid young right D for a winger especially an older middle six one. If Pearson brings back a RD it would be of third pairing quality or be dramatically overpaid. Garland may get you a B prospect at RD. Well like said deal meaning one of the two players involved add another or pick and we get a rhd.I suggested names that would be involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 On 7/22/2022 at 7:16 PM, RWJC said: from the hockey rumour world lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 1 hour ago, J-23 said: If they wanted to move Miller they would’ve done it by now. He will be here opening night. Maybe Market is fluid and Kadri is still an unknown, Avs haven't replaced him either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 (edited) 42 minutes ago, rekker said: I need a life, I need to stop checking on this, I need help. I'm with you buddy. Wish we get a resolution on this asap. It is heavily affecting my productivity at work. Edited July 24, 2022 by 24K PureCool 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Face Doom Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 Bet yall Miller signs. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rackdawg Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, Metal Face Doom said: Bet yall Miller signs. I sure hope so.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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