SilentSam Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, King Heffy said: I think you got to let them play. Makes more sense for both hockey and dollars. That’s no consideration for the health and well being of the athletes again. who , btw, don’t make a dollar, but get to show case like farm stock.. unless a complete bubble is established, and it was not established , this is going to happen everytime.. at some point, the athletes lose trust.. and I’d say they’re at that point by speaking out about it already,. And rightful to do so.. it’s about they’re health and well being above anything or anybody else . All athletes came to Edmonton clean and tested.. what they walked into was not. Huge Fail ! Huge loss of trust! a controlled environment can be handled. This was not. Hockey Canada , the Oilers , and the IIHF owe those athletes a huge public apology for risking the athletes health in that uncontrolled environment. Edited December 31, 2021 by SilentSam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 1 hour ago, iwtl said: 2 other issues that need addressing 1- rosters must remain as set already. No late additions if the tournament restarts 2 - any player age eligible as of the tournament opening gets to continue ( no age outs ) Otherwise they need to Completely scrap games played and start fresh What about weddings in hotels ? what about hotel staff going home or to social functions? Why did those strict protocols Change from last year? it’s not about organizing it .. we did a great job last year.. it’s why did that prescidant change? Why was regular public citizen’s allowed in those hotels? Holding the Hotels for a year should have established that.. it didn’t.. Hockey Canada , The Oilers, and the IIHF all F d up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: The moment you let fans into the stands, it doesn't make sense to create a bubble environment only for the hotel situation. So it's either a situation of complete bubble (ie. buying out all hotel rooms and sequestering hotel staff on site for the duration, meaning mucho $$dinero$$) and zero revenue from ticket sales, or let the fans in and have an imperfect containment situation elsewhere. If you're going for the latter (which Hockey Canada and the IIHF kind of have to, because they can't all be money-losing competitions), then you have to hope that the imperfect containment system will be quick enough to identify cases so that you can contain them, that the prevalent strain is one whose characteristics are well known (omicron is still generally unknown at this point in terms of potential severity), and that you maximize ticket sales (ie. revenue) and find the sweet spot where transmissibility is not so high that the people in the stands that are asymptomatic carriers don't end up infecting the players and the staff. I mean, there's only so much you can do in terms of blocking off the 30 or 40 rows closest to the ice (ie. first 15-20 rows for each tiered level) and having airflow such that it's blown in at ice/bench level and sucked out through the rafters, so as to minimize the opportunity for aerosols to waft onto ice level. They ( Hockey Canada / IIHF ) haven’t made enough money over the years to carry this format for 2-5 years?? Seriously?? They still get TV revenue. This. Is. A. Show case event that happens once a year. this is what this discussion is about. The true beneficiaries include the NHL. All of the above could have kept this event safe. a bubble worked last year . it changed this year and was not a bubble. what worked previously should have been enhanced on,. Not relaxed. Live fans don’t matter in situations like this. we all tune in. Make it pay per veiw ffs. Edited December 31, 2021 by SilentSam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: So in other words you're in favour of making it a complete bubble, and not let fans into the stands. Got it. Yes. In times like this. make it pay per veiw through the NHL . Com ..and they can put money into the hosting and application of a bubble. it’s a limited series event. once annually. Why not not? These are rare times and require different measures. Do you get that? Fans will still pay to see it. Edited December 31, 2021 by SilentSam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 1 minute ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: Cool it, cowboy. I'm not looking for a fight, ok? I get that.. But really it’s simple,. You have to dummy proof it.. in fact it’s better for everyone involved. Especially in this country in the dead of Winter. We don’t need another tragic accident, not to a fan, player, anybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 8 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: Cool it, cowboy. I'm not looking for a fight, ok? how about those Canucks eh?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hammertime Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 18 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Just wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 33 minutes ago, hammertime said: Just wow! it gets better 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 10 minutes ago, JM_ said: it gets better Some real good adulting going on there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) Should put everyone responsible on the no-fly list and make them go back via boat. Edited January 3, 2022 by King Heffy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 On 12/30/2021 at 4:35 PM, SilentSam said: They ( Hockey Canada / IIHF ) haven’t made enough money over the years to carry this format for 2-5 years?? Seriously?? They still get TV revenue. This. Is. A. Show case event that happens once a year. this is what this discussion is about. The true beneficiaries include the NHL. All of the above could have kept this event safe. a bubble worked last year . it changed this year and was not a bubble. what worked previously should have been enhanced on,. Not relaxed. Live fans don’t matter in situations like this. we all tune in. Make it pay per veiw ffs. I think they already stated that they lost so much money with the bubble, last year, that it was either go ahead with fans or cancel the tournament. Had omicron not emerged, it likely would have been ok 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 6 hours ago, stawns said: I think they already stated that they lost so much money with the bubble, last year, that it was either go ahead with fans or cancel the tournament. Had omicron not emerged, it likely would have been ok Although if they were wise, they would have stuck to their guns with same protocols last year,. Knowing what the budget would be and realizing what they should do regarding ticket sales,. Vs what they could do. It sounds as though the hotels did not offer a bubble / controled atmosphere for the players.. that should in the very least have been expected. Apparently It was nothing like that.. weddings, restaurants, barber shops, the Hotels were open to the public. That should have been assured and stipulated when those accommodations were held,. It should have been contractually obligated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 47 minutes ago, SilentSam said: Although if they were wise, they would have stuck to their guns with same protocols last year,. Knowing what the budget would be and realizing what they should do regarding ticket sales,. Vs what they could do. It sounds as though the hotels did not offer a bubble / controled atmosphere for the players.. that should in the very least have been expected. Apparently It was nothing like that.. weddings, restaurants, barber shops, the Hotels were open to the public. That should have been assured and stipulated when those accommodations were held,. It should have been contractually obligated. The hotels should have been in a bubble, no question 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 (edited) https://www.idnes.cz/hokej/reprezentace/cesko-juniori-rusko-finsko-let-alkohol.A220104_093110_reprezentace_hrj This story is too much. Everything from Drunk fins puking on their shoes to Russian's rioting and Zubov smoking hidden E Cigarettes up his sleeve. Czech's mistakenly detained by stewardesses for wearing grey pants . Edited January 5, 2022 by hammertime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) Edited February 17, 2022 by mll 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Doubt Buffalo will stop Power from going when he can easily use going back to school as leverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 On 2/17/2022 at 7:22 PM, King Heffy said: Doubt Buffalo will stop Power from going when he can easily use going back to school as leverage. There's the financial side - they'll likely allow him to burn a year like Vancouver did to get Hughes, Boeser under contract. Once he signs his ELC he loses his amateur status and can no longer play College hockey anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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