Gino Gino Gino Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 (edited) REVISED BASED ON FEEDBACK To Carolina: Miller To Van:. Kotkaniemi, Seth Jarvis, Scott Morrow I know a lot of people are excited about the Boudreau bump, but I don't believe that we can really be a contender in the duration of Miller's contract. The return is a left shot center and a right shot center both already in the NHL, both under 22 yo, both with the potential to be top 6. We also get a RD prospect with solid upside. . Things to note: Kotkaniemi's extension would need to be reasonable (ie 3-4 mil max) and done ahead of time. - this might be the largest hurdle. The cap hits are basically a wash halfway through the season. It gives Carolina a better chance of winning now as it does not overly deplete their current roster. They also still have Suzuki and Drury has center prospects coming up. They are also solid and young on right D. (A testament to where we are at in comparison) It gives us depth at centre and a blue chip RD prospect. Some may argue that Jarvis is too small, but he is 19 and already an NHL player. He has lots of time to bulk up. Miller can always return as a UFA if he wants. Hopefully by that time we are starting to look like a contender. The return is basically 2 1sts and a second. Which I think is decent value, though some may want a little more. Edited December 24, 2021 by Gino Gino Gino Wrong name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 Carolina gave up a 1st and a 3rd to sign Kotkaniemi. So you’re asking them to give up This years 1st. Last years 40th OA, 2020’s 13th OA and this years 3rd for a year and a half of Miller. I can’t see them dropping that big a haul when they’re already dominating the league. Also. Kotkaniemi has no reason to sign a contract between $3-4m. His AAV on his last contract was $3.45m and he’s due a qualifying offer of $6.1m this offseason. You could probably get him to sign for $5m ish with some term. But less seems unreasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gino Gino Gino Posted December 24, 2021 Author Share Posted December 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, qwijibo said: Carolina gave up a 1st and a 3rd to sign Kotkaniemi. So you’re asking them to give up This years 1st. Last years 40th OA, 2020’s 13th OA and this years 3rd for a year and a half of Miller. I can’t see them dropping that big a haul when they’re already dominating the league. Also. Kotkaniemi has no reason to sign a contract between $3-4m. His AAV on his last contract was $3.45m and he’s due a qualifying offer of $6.1m this offseason. You could probably get him to sign for $5m ish with some term. But less seems unreasonable. They might if they feel this puts them over the top. They are a great team, but they need to beat a bunch of great teams to take the cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 10 minutes ago, Gino Gino Gino said: They might if they feel this puts them over the top. They are a great team, but they need to beat a bunch of great teams to take the cup They’re 2nd in the league with fewer games played than the other leaders. They also have the best goal differential at +33. I doubt they’re willing to sell the farm to fill a hole that doesn’t exist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 A lot of Miller trade proposals, but I'm wondering if they trade Miller at all. He's too valuable, the engine that drives this team. I wouldn't be too surprised to see Pettersson, Horvat or Boeser traded at some point, though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhukini Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 1 hour ago, NUCKER67 said: A lot of Miller trade proposals, but I'm wondering if they trade Miller at all. He's too valuable, the engine that drives this team. I wouldn't be too surprised to see Pettersson, Horvat or Boeser traded at some point, though. If you trade Petey and have Miller walk in 2 years. Oh boy.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 I like Carolina. Let's help them win a cup. I like EP. Let's help his dream of playing for a winning team come true. To Vancouver: Kotkaniemi + Jarvis To Carolina: Pettersson Pearson-Miller-Boeser Dickinson-Horvat-Hoglander Podkolzin-Kotkaniemi-Garland Motte-Jarvis-A dude 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 I'm fine with trading Miller but yeah, given what they've given up to get KK I dunno if they'd be willing to move him Miller makes them better, sure, but they're already a great team I'm not saying it's a bad proposal, I just question whether they'd actually go for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 5 hours ago, Coconuts said: I'm fine with trading Miller but yeah, given what they've given up to get KK I dunno if they'd be willing to move him Miller makes them better, sure, but they're already a great team I'm not saying it's a bad proposal, I just question whether they'd actually go for it NYR made a ton of moves despite being the best team in the league back in 93-94...including some big name up and comers for proven playoff vets. So this sort of thing for sure happens. I wouldn't do this deal personally though, feel we could do better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 8 hours ago, khay said: I like Carolina. Let's help them win a cup. I like EP. Let's help his dream of playing for a winning team come true. To Vancouver: Kotkaniemi + Jarvis To Carolina: Pettersson Pearson-Miller-Boeser Dickinson-Horvat-Hoglander Podkolzin-Kotkaniemi-Garland Motte-Jarvis-A dude This makes less sense than the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 4 hours ago, IBatch said: NYR made a ton of moves despite being the best team in the league back in 93-94...including some big name up and comers for proven playoff vets. So this sort of thing for sure happens. I wouldn't do this deal personally though, feel we could do better. I think so too, I don't mind roster players that fill holes if the cap works but I want picks too They can be flipped to build the team or used Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 (edited) Or you can just blow up the team to try and get draft picks. Because even Hughes and Demko are not going to be wanting to start all over again. You start trading big pieces, you might as well start all over. Edited December 24, 2021 by Ghostsof1915 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 7 hours ago, Pears said: This makes less sense than the OP. It was a saracasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gino Gino Gino Posted December 24, 2021 Author Share Posted December 24, 2021 13 hours ago, Coconuts said: I'm fine with trading Miller but yeah, given what they've given up to get KK I dunno if they'd be willing to move him Miller makes them better, sure, but they're already a great team I'm not saying it's a bad proposal, I just question whether they'd actually go for it Fair. But it would take a return bordering on too much to make me okay with letting him go. I love Miller, he's just too old for this core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 This is a good trade proposal, but for Cancuks only. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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