Popular Post Odjick29willkillyou Posted January 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2022 When I first joined this message board back in 2007 (under a slightly different name due to forgetting my password and not having access to that email anymore) there was no talk about politics, religion, sexual orientation or anything. Now you can have a thread about Tim Horton's Timbits and somehow some-damn way somebody always brings BS into it. It is as if we cannot restrain ourselves from arguing until our point is proven. It also has made this place much less fun to visit when all I want to do is talk about the team and how frustrated we are to still not own a Cup. I love the open-minded side of this hire and hope we continue in this direction, but her previous Tweets and "allegations" are a bit concerning even if she is only 25. Hopefully she learns from those and continues to grow for herself and since we are paying her now, our organization. Other than that, I hope everyone is safe and healthy(ish) since it seems a lot are not right now. Did I mention I am terrified (and morbidly curious) to watch us against the Cats tonight? Something tells me it will be like a train crash that you cannot turn away from 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 56 minutes ago, AV. said: You should direct this towards the cellar dwellers in this thread who can't help but show their misogyny and bitterness because somebody who bodied their favourite GM on Twitter has now taken a job in an office that used to be his. Seriously, look at some of these takes: "she just shut her mouth", "i don't want analytics dweebs making decisions", etc. Instead of celebrating a progressive hire, they're doubling down on their support for an old GM and showing their ass in the process. Those people need to grow up. Has nothing to do with Benning. I don't think anyone without a solid background in hockey should be making the decisions. The analytics department lacks the relevant experience to make any kind of hockey related decisions. No exceptions. Hope this helps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV. Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Has nothing to do with Benning. I don't think anyone without a solid background in hockey should be making the decisions. The analytics department lacks the relevant experience to make any kind of hockey related decisions. No exceptions. Hope this helps. And yet, we have teams like Tampa, Colorado, Carolina, and Florida - all heavy analytics teams - making the league bow to their feet. Makes you wonder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanucks25 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 50 minutes ago, EddieVedder said: He gone bro Wouldn't know the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, AV. said: And yet, we have teams like Tampa, Colorado, Carolina, and Florida - all heavy analytics teams - making the league bow to their feet. Makes you wonder... They have actual qualified hockey people making the decisions though. We can grow the department, I just don't want anyone who doesn't have a hockey background to be making the final call. Let's not go Full Dubas. Edited January 21, 2022 by King Heffy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 minute ago, kanucks25 said: Wouldn't know the difference. you and your buddy AV are keeping something alive no one cares about anymore. Really, time to move on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanucks25 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 13 minutes ago, JM_ said: you and your buddy AV are keeping something alive no one cares about anymore. Really, time to move on. That's exactly what Weisbrod would say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 minute ago, kanucks25 said: That's exactly what Weisbrod would say. ok, continue with the obnoxious dance, you guys seem to need it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanucks25 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Just now, JM_ said: ok, continue with the obnoxious dance, you guys seem to need it. Don't be so easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josepho Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 35 minutes ago, King Heffy said: They have actual qualified hockey people making the decisions though. We can grow the department, I just don't want anyone who doesn't have a hockey background to be making the final call. Let's not go Full Dubas. Do you think they're just ignoring everything the people from their analytics department are telling them? It's obvious their input is valued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Just now, Josepho said: Do you think they're just ignoring everything the people from their analytics department are telling them? It's obvious their input is valued. I'm not saying they should. I'm saying they are there to advise. Then you send some scouts to take a look and confirm. The analytics department should not be making hockey related decisions as they are not qualified to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV. Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 20 minutes ago, kanucks25 said: Don't be so easy. Careful now, he might have Benning and Weisbrod discourse banned from this forum, just as he did with the Loui, confused, and paper bag emojis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josepho Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, King Heffy said: I'm not saying they should. I'm saying they are there to advise. Then you send some scouts to take a look and confirm. The analytics department should not be making hockey related decisions as they are not qualified to do so. What hit rate on decisions or input would they have to have for you to think that they are qualified to? If they are consistently giving good input (not saying they do), they should be probably be given more leeway and power. And not letting them make decisions solely because they didn't play the game professionally is silly. Scouts are just random ex-players that get hired because they're buddies with other people in management. They don't have some sort of higher being of knowledge. Random fans or "analytics guys" are capable of watching and understanding as well. Edited January 21, 2022 by Josepho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Josepho said: What hit rate on decisions or input would they have to have for you to think that they are qualified to? If they are consistently giving good input (not saying they do), they should be probably be given more leeway and power. And not letting them make decisions solely because they didn't play the game professionally is silly. Scouts are just random ex-players that get hired because they're buddies with other people in management. They don't have some sort of higher being of knowledge. Random fans or "analytics guys" are capable of watching and understanding as well. No hockey experience, no decision making power. Those who played the game at a high level do understand it better than the analytics dweebs. Hockey is not played on a spreadsheet. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josepho Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 minute ago, King Heffy said: No hockey experience, no decision making power. Those who played the game at a high level do understand it better than the analytics dweebs. Hockey is not played on a spreadsheet. You do realize that the two most recent GMs to win the cup (Brisebois and Armstrong) never played hockey at a high level, right? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Josepho said: You do realize that the two most recent GMs to win the cup (Brisebois and Armstrong) never played hockey at a high level, right? They also spent a long time working under those who did and received a lot of mentoring. They also weren't primarily working in the analytics department. Think Dave Nonis under Burke instead of hiring someone completely unqualified like Gillis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 21 minutes ago, King Heffy said: I'm not saying they should. I'm saying they are there to advise. Then you send some scouts to take a look and confirm. The analytics department should not be making hockey related decisions as they are not qualified to do so. pretty sure they are there to generate data and report on the patterns, not make the decisions tho. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 minute ago, JM_ said: pretty sure they are there to generate data and report on the patterns, not make the decisions tho. That's what I would hope. We've all seen what happened in Arizona when you let the inmates run the asylum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josepho Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, King Heffy said: They also spent a long time working under those who did and received a lot of mentoring. They also weren't primarily working in the analytics department. Think Dave Nonis under Burke instead of hiring someone completely unqualified like Gillis. Then what exactly is your issue with someone being brought into the analytics department and gradually getting promoted if they're doing good work? Obviously it would be bad if we pumped some random Stanford Statistics Major into a high level role, but very few people are suggesting that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 minute ago, King Heffy said: That's what I would hope. We've all seen what happened in Arizona when you let the inmates run the asylum. this ain't that. There's a lot of room left for innovation in developing data sets and proprietary methods, and bringing in some new talent with analytics skills is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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