Kobayashi Maru Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 26 minutes ago, eeeeergh said: Only thing acceptable to get back is a draft pick Retain some salary and get a high pick Dont screw this up JR/PA If we were to retain 2M per year, Myers at 4 per is likely very attractive to teams. If we are rebuilding the defence and essentially Bear is Myers replacement for now, I think we can do retention to get something decent in return. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 13 minutes ago, Kobayashi Maru said: If we were to retain 2M per year, Myers at 4 per is likely very attractive to teams. If we are rebuilding the defence and essentially Bear is Myers replacement for now, I think we can do retention to get something decent in return. i think if they could have "rebuilt on the fly" by swapping forwards for better defense they woulda done it time to rebuild the defense properly retain and sell to contenders 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, eeeeergh said: i think if they could have "rebuilt on the fly" by swapping forwards for better defense they woulda done it time to rebuild the defense properly retain and sell to contenders We are due for it. I hope we take a step back and get prospect depth for our core trade pieces. Mentioned in another thread that I’d like to see Bo moved in a package that includes Morrow ++, Miller moved in a package that includes Cuelemans + and Demko moved in a package for Clarke. Obviously the last one would be close to 1-1 but the others would include many more pieces come to us. An RD of Clarke, Morrow, Cuelemans, Bear would be a game changer for us. The benefit of those targets are that they meet the need but are also with teams that have very strong RD depth. Just ready for the first show to drop to show that they are heading in that direction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 The fact that the Myers for Zaitsev deal fell through gives me even less faith in this management group. They firstly identify a terrible deal which somehow makes our already-weak defence even worse, then it doesn't even go through, all for around 2M in cap space. They seem obsessed with cap space and not so worried about the lack of quality on our blueline, and it's costing us every single night right now. Myers for Zaitsev is such a nonesense, lateral trade which basically gives up quality for cap space and gets us another 7th defenceman, yet that got nixed as well. I really doubt we'll get any great defencemen at this rate. We had a glaring hole on defence, and management's solution so far has been Stillman and Bear. Sure, Bear has done well for us with 20ish minutes a night, but these are 7th defencemen on their respectable teams. I'm all for trading Myers, he's been dreadful this year, but we have no prospect in sight of acquiring top-4 defencemen right now, we trade Myers and we need to replace him with yet another one. Arguably he's been playing like a bottom pairing defenceman this year but we really only have Hughes and OEL in this defence, the rest are 6-7th guys on most teams (not just playoff teams). We're down two top-4 guys there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Sounds like there's lots of RDs out on the market. LA have publically stated they may want to move Roy or Walker because they're so deep, Conor Timmins is on the market, we should be right in amongst these moves. If there was ever an easier time to fill a positional need it should be now. Let's see what management can come up with. Flip Myers and we can replace him with a couple of decent RDs. I'd love to do a Schmidt-like flip where we trade Myers for a 2nd or 3rd (eg. to Toronto) then use that pick to acquire someone like Roy from LA. Or even better - Garland for Roy, 2nd for Peeke, Myers for 2nd, then we're rolling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 2 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said: Sounds like there's lots of RDs out on the market. LA have publically stated they may want to move Roy or Walker because they're so deep, Conor Timmins is on the market, we should be right in amongst these moves. If there was ever an easier time to fill a positional need it should be now. Let's see what management can come up with. Flip Myers and we can replace him with a couple of decent RDs. I'd love to do a Schmidt-like flip where we trade Myers for a 2nd or 3rd (eg. to Toronto) then use that pick to acquire someone like Roy from LA. Or even better - Garland for Roy, 2nd for Peeke, Myers for 2nd, then we're rolling. LA isn't trading with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Why does everybody think we can get a second or third FOR Myers. We would be lucky to only have to spend a second to move Myers. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: Why does everybody think we can get a second or third FOR Myers. We would be lucky to only have to spend a second to move Myers. Yup. But at the 2024 TDL (his UFA year) Myers should have value, especially if we retain 50%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicklas Bo Hunter Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 I could See something like to Van: Alex Kerfoot+ Justin Holl to Tor: Tyler Myers+ Linus Karlsson Costs us a prospect to get out of the extra year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Alflives said: Yup. But at the 2024 TDL (his UFA year) Myers should have value, especially if we retain 50%. And keeping him another year is good tanking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 3 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said: Sounds like there's lots of RDs out on the market. LA have publically stated they may want to move Roy or Walker because they're so deep, Conor Timmins is on the market, we should be right in amongst these moves. If there was ever an easier time to fill a positional need it should be now. Let's see what management can come up with. Flip Myers and we can replace him with a couple of decent RDs. I'd love to do a Schmidt-like flip where we trade Myers for a 2nd or 3rd (eg. to Toronto) then use that pick to acquire someone like Roy from LA. Or even better - Garland for Roy, 2nd for Peeke, Myers for 2nd, then we're rolling. Wonder what it would take to snag Conor Timmins. He was a highly regarded two way RD, but has a recent injury history. Could be someone who evolves with our hopeful new core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 14 minutes ago, Muttley said: If we get almost nothing but clearing even most of his cap space in the current cap climate, I'd be thrilled. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, DrJockitch said: Why does everybody think we can get a second or third FOR Myers. We would be lucky to only have to spend a second to move Myers. Depends on what's coming back. If we for example take on Muzzin's LTIRetirement in exchange, that has value. Edited November 23, 2022 by aGENT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 5 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said: The fact that the Myers for Zaitsev deal fell through gives me even less faith in this management group. They firstly identify a terrible deal which somehow makes our already-weak defence even worse, then it doesn't even go through, all for around 2M in cap space. They seem obsessed with cap space and not so worried about the lack of quality on our blueline, and it's costing us every single night right now. Myers for Zaitsev is such a nonesense, lateral trade which basically gives up quality for cap space and gets us another 7th defenceman, yet that got nixed as well. I really doubt we'll get any great defencemen at this rate. We had a glaring hole on defence, and management's solution so far has been Stillman and Bear. Sure, Bear has done well for us with 20ish minutes a night, but these are 7th defencemen on their respectable teams. I'm all for trading Myers, he's been dreadful this year, but we have no prospect in sight of acquiring top-4 defencemen right now, we trade Myers and we need to replace him with yet another one. Arguably he's been playing like a bottom pairing defenceman this year but we really only have Hughes and OEL in this defence, the rest are 6-7th guys on most teams (not just playoff teams). We're down two top-4 guys there. Because this isn't about fixing today's defense, is about fixing tomorrow's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Kobayashi Maru said: Wonder what it would take to snag Conor Timmins. He was a highly regarded two way RD, but has a recent injury history. Could be someone who evolves with our hopeful new core. 3rd round pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_Hawk Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 10 hours ago, Kobayashi Maru said: If we were to retain 2M per year, Myers at 4 per is likely very attractive to teams. If we are rebuilding the defence and essentially Bear is Myers replacement for now, I think we can do retention to get something decent in return. If you are retaining past 2022/23 season, I just wouldn't do it UNLESS we get something good back. We DO NEED a longterm answer at RHD beside Hughes but being able to find a suitable dman for 4m would be hard, and as you said, Myers is a deal at 4m. Free up the cap by jettisoning Beoser. I love Schenn, but he is best suited to a 6/7 position at this point. And at 7, he would still probably get 40+ games a year with injuries and such. Hughes-FA/Trade RHD OEL-Bear Rathbone/Burroughs-Myers That is a good lineup IF we actually have them playing a proper system with adequate coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 hour ago, DrJockitch said: And keeping him another year is good tanking. Yup. top 5 picks in 2023 and 2024 could go a long way to making is a better team in the not so distant future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_Hawk Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, aGENT said: Because this isn't about fixing today's defense, is about fixing tomorrow's. Yes, but we will probably get nothing back, so what's the point of getting the1.5m in free Cap for Zaitsev in 2023/2024? IF we are rebuilding, just keep Myers until TDL 2024 and get some value. Beoser should be the cap relief valve we should take advantage of now; 6.65m without probably having to retain OR taking a crap contract back. Edited November 23, 2022 by BC_Hawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) 21 hours ago, DrJockitch said: Another Leaf D man down. More cap opened up. They may even be desperate enough for Myers for future considerations. Win win. Get it done. Technically not possible unless season ending but it doesn't sound like it's the case. The trade has to be cap in / cap out and possibly even with retention. Can't really see Vancouver wanting to retain given that 2nd year. Edited November 23, 2022 by mll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, mll said: Technically not possible unless season ending but it doesn't sound like it's the case. The trade has to be cap in / cap out and possibly even with retention. Can't really see Vancouver wanting to retain given that 2nd year. Booo!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Please sign in to comment
You will be able to leave a comment after signing in
Sign In Now