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10 minutes ago, JM_ said:

If we have to move a F this year for cap space/d upgrades, I'm starting to rethink my Boeser vs Garland stance. I didn't realize Garland's points 47/50 were at even strength. Thats pretty impressive.

 

 

Garland hardly played on the PP this year. Dude would have had 60+ points if he did. 

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Just now, Elias Pettersson said:

Garland hardly played on the PP this year. Dude would have had 60+ points if he did. 

I like Brock so I hate to say it, but it might be easier to replace Brock's scoring than Garlands if we need to move on from one of them. 

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17 minutes ago, JM_ said:

If we have to move a FW this year for cap space/d upgrades, I'm starting to rethink my Boeser vs Garland stance. I didn't realize Garland's points 47/50 were at even strength.

 

 

I agree JM.  He may be small, but he's mighty.  His energy level is through the roof and (when

given a top 6 role) is consistent.  Thats pretty impressive.  I think Boeser will be the player that is traded; mainly due to his lack of speed.

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12 minutes ago, lmm said:

but that means that VegaS must never commit to a rebuild

even if they rebuild.. the tourist part wouldn't care.. they'll probably be watching the other teams anyways. i really don't think vegas will ever have attendance issue rebuild or not given the amount of tourist that flows thru the city year round along with all the partnerships they have with all the casinos to help fill the seats if they ever run into local support issue due to rebuilding.

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3 minutes ago, Rabbit said:

Great win!

Hughes , Schenn, OEL played well.

If one of Garland and Boeser will get traded, what is your selection?

 

Martins was quite good, e specially the second period when Canucks was in penalty troubles.

I would move Boeser 100%.  We have a #1 line we can go with that would be one of the best in the league.  And we can fill out a very good #2 line as well if we can pick up Kuzmenko for free...

 

Miller          Pettersson   Garland

Podkolzin   Horvat         Kuzmenko

 

I don't like Horvat as a 3C, it's a waste of his talent.  We are better off loading up the top line with both Petey and Miller and having Horvat as a 2C.  We can then either go out and get a 3C in free agency or trade Boeser for a 3C.

 

I think Kuzmenko can come in and score 50+ points.  He has alot of talent and I would put him together with his buddy Podkolzin for an easy transition to the NHL.

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23 minutes ago, higgyfan said:

I agree JM.  He may be small, but he's mighty.  His energy level is through the roof and (when

given a top 6 role) is consistent.  Thats pretty impressive.  I think Boeser will be the player that is traded; mainly due to his lack of speed.

it is impressive. I do worry about him getting hurt but he might just be a 60+ point guy with top line PP time, so good value too. 

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30 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Steven Stamkos - 101 points age 32

Steven Stamkos - 72 points age 25

 

Patrick Kane - 92 points age 33

Patrick Kane - 66 points age 24

 

Alex Ovechkin - 90 points age 36

Alex Ovechkin - 65 points age 26

 

Imagine having a career year at age 32. 
Imagine scoring more points at age 33 then at age 24. 
Imagine scoring more points at age 36 then at age 26. 
 

JT Miller - 97 points age 29

JT Miller - 58 points age 24
 

Imagine scoring 97 points at age 29 and the fans want to trade you for scraps because you are too old and will be in a major decline in 3 years. 

 

 

When has Miller’s name ever been considered in the same category as those 3. 
There are many more examples of players that had one good season and disappeared than the three you highlighted. Heck,Brock as a rookie 29g today barely can scrape 20. 
Miller may be starting a peak and may be this good for a few more years but the fact that Stamkos was actually healthy for a year or Kane continues to do well or that the best goal scorer in NHL history continues at a high pace has no bearing on what Miller will do. Look at Brad Richardson the year after he left us and the Brad Richardson we got off wavers. Should it be assumed that one good year automatically is the new normal. 

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26 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Steven Stamkos - 101 points age 32

Steven Stamkos - 72 points age 25

 

Patrick Kane - 92 points age 33

Patrick Kane - 66 points age 24

 

Alex Ovechkin - 90 points age 36

Alex Ovechkin - 65 points age 26

 

Imagine having a career year at age 32. 
Imagine scoring more points at age 33 then at age 24. 
Imagine scoring more points at age 36 then at age 26. 
 

JT Miller - 97 points age 29

JT Miller - 58 points age 24
 

Imagine scoring 97 points at age 29 and the fans want to trade you for scraps because you are too old and will be in a major decline in 3 years. 

 

 

lol did u really use ovechkin worse year as an example without context to why his point production was low?? like not having your #1 center for half the season or ur #1 defenseman for 2/3 of the season? 

 

funny you managed to come up with a bunch of examples of players having career years at 32+ but every single one of ur example have one thing in common that JT Miller isn't part of...

 

they were all clear cut #1 overall picks with franchise player talent.... now can you show me some players that are not the ultra rare #1 overall picks that are in the 90+ points category setting new career highs at the age of 32+? 

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18 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

I would move Boeser 100%.  We have a #1 line we can go with that would be one of the best in the league.  And we can fill out a very good #2 line as well if we can pick up Kuzmenko for free...

 

Miller          Pettersson   Garland

Podkolzin   Horvat         Kuzmenko

 

I don't like Horvat as a 3C, it's a waste of his talent.  We are better off loading up the top line with both Petey and Miller and having Horvat as a 2C.  We can then either go out and get a 3C in free agency or trade Boeser for a 3C.

 

I think Kuzmenko can come in and score 50+ points.  He has alot of talent and I would put him together with his buddy Podkolzin for an easy transition to the NHL.

Absolutely Kuzmenko has the skill set and determination to succeed here, almost all KHL leading scorers converted well to NHL in recent years so a 50+ points is not only doable but almost a slot in.

 

Problem is there is no way Van is the one getting this guy, this guy is covetted around the league, 25 teams reported to want him. Seeing how bad Van luck is almost impossible to hope for this guy I just don't see him coming here when so many other options are available. 

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44 minutes ago, Rabbit said:

Great win!

Hughes , Schenn, OEL played well.

If one of Garland and Boeser will get traded, what is your selection?

 

Martins was quite good, e specially the second period when Canucks was in penalty troubles.

Move the player that gets you the better return.

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43 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

lol did u really use ovechkin worse year as an example without context to why his point production was low?? like not having your #1 center for half the season or ur #1 defenseman for 2/3 of the season? 

 

funny you managed to come up with a bunch of examples of players having career years at 32+ but every single one of ur example have one thing in common that JT Miller isn't part of...

 

they were all clear cut #1 overall picks with franchise player talent.... now can you show me some players that are not the ultra rare #1 overall picks that are in the 90+ points category setting new career highs at the age of 32+? 

Alfie.   Scored over 100 33/34.   Drafted 133 overall.   So there lol.   There are enough examples of durable guys like Miller - who kept it up into their late 30's...even early 40's as in kept playing. Gary Roberts.    There is no magical line.  Each player needs to be looked at individually.    Heck Lidstrom benifited probably more then any other player after they changed the rules.   Sakic was 37 but we don't need him as an example do we.   How about Blake Wheeler?   There is absolutely nothing wrong with a 5 or even 6 year deal.   More then that yes trouble for sure.     They have all this off season and until next years TDL to make a decision don't they.  

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51 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

lol did u really use ovechkin worse year as an example without context to why his point production was low?? like not having your #1 center for half the season or ur #1 defenseman for 2/3 of the season? 

 

funny you managed to come up with a bunch of examples of players having career years at 32+ but every single one of ur example have one thing in common that JT Miller isn't part of...

 

they were all clear cut #1 overall picks with franchise player talent.... now can you show me some players that are not the ultra rare #1 overall picks that are in the 90+ points category setting new career highs at the age of 32+? 

Imagine giving 3 clear examples of players in today's NHL having career years in their 30's and your only comeback is those players were #1 overall picks so they don't actually count...  :lol:

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