HKSR Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 35 minutes ago, Me_ said: Miller is staying. Makes absolutely no sense to trade him. That is pure regression. If Horvat is the quiet leader of this team, then Miller is the loud leader of this team. Miller to Horvat is the Kesler to the Sedins 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 39 minutes ago, Alflives said: Will Miller accept a six year deal? How much will the total dollars be that JR will pay for Miller? 6 x 8.5? Sounds reasonable for a couple of Cups. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 11 minutes ago, HKSR said: Miller to Horvat is the Kesler to the Sedins Except that Miller doesn’t dive. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 If the team management has not checked in with other teams, to establish possible trade prices for ALL their players, they are not doing the job properly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 21 hours ago, King Loui said: Yes but also taking into account he is soon to be 31 and still has 5 years left. You can find guys that are rock solid defensively and put up 30 points for less than 5 million, you earn big contracts like OEL if you put up points in the NHL, that is the main metric used. Scoring more goals and spending less time in the defending end can also help your goaltender OEL is barely outscoring or isn't outscoring guys like Tanev, Parayko, Lindholm, Larsson, Pesce, Pelech, Ekholm who are all younger and better defensively and all make way less. Travis Sanhiem, Michael Matheson, Alex Goligoski, Vladislav Gavrikov, Nate Schmidt, Ryan Suter and even Cody Ceci all outscored him. That's a bad look. Have you actually looked at the ages and contracts of the players you mentioned? Tanev is older than OEL and just had a career year, but normally puts up about half the amount of points he did this season. Parayko and Lindholm are just about to start 8 year contracts at 6.5M next season. Adam Pelech is in year 1 of an 8 year 5.75M contract. Parayko, Lindholm, and Pelech are all only a couple years younger than OEL. Sure, Brett Pesce is on an amazing contract at 4.025M (as is the entire Hurricane's defense) but that is one of the best value contracts in the entire NHL and is due a nice raise in 2 years. Even a quick glance at your second bunch of players, Schmidt makes 5.95M and is the same age as OEL. Are you really going to tell me Schmidt is a better player than OEL? Goligoski and Suter are 36 and 37 respectively and hoping for just one last chance at a cup. Is OEL overpaid? Sure, ideally he'd be closer to 6.5M like his very good comparables in Parayko and Lindholm. However you are most definitely not directly replacing OEL for less than 6M. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 1 hour ago, iinatcc said: What’s that supposed to mean? Are you suggesting that Benning sabotaged the team? Handicapped it on purpose? Gillis did. Not Benning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 24 minutes ago, Me_ said: What’s that supposed to mean? Are you suggesting that Benning sabotaged the team? Handicapped it on purpose? Gillis did. Not Benning. See the video I posted earlier. Benning made a ton of bad moves. Gillis had his short comings but at least he managed a team that made it 1 win from winning the cup. How far has Benning reached ? A bubble playoff appearance in the 2nd round. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, iinatcc said: See the video I posted earlier. Benning made a ton of bad moves. Gillis had his short comings but at least he managed a team that made it 1 win from winning the cup. How far has Benning reached ? A bubble playoff appearance in the 2nd round. Well one inherited a cup contender and the other inherited a bare cupboard team needing a full rebuild. That's not an apples to apples comparison and you know it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, iinatcc said: See the video I posted earlier. Benning made a ton of bad moves. Gillis had his short comings but at least he managed a team that made it 1 win from winning the cup. How far has Benning reached ? A bubble playoff appearance in the 2nd round. Again, Gillis handicapped the team so immensely and failed so admirably to retool the Canucks, that it took until this year to pay out Luongo and rebuild the team into something remotely competitive. My mistake here was to support Green. But a Benning / Boudreau duo would’ve had the same effect as an Alvin / Boudreau team. The proof is in the fact that the Rutherford/ Alvin team didn’t make any moves concerning current players. Edited May 10, 2022 by Me_ 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Well one inherited a cup contender and the other inherited a bare cupboard team needing a full rebuild. That's not an apples to apples comparison and you know it. It's not ... but Benning had 8 years to build a team. And the best he did was a bubble playoff appearance and despite all his aggressive moves he did the team just missed the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Just now, iinatcc said: It's not ... but Benning had 8 years to build a team. And the best he did was a bubble playoff appearance and despite all his aggressive moves he did the team just missed the playoffs. And again he had to start from literally zero. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Me_ said: Again, Gillis handicapped the team so immensely and failed so admirably to retool the Canucks, that it took until this year to pay our Luongo and rebuild the team into something remotely competitive. My mistake here was to support Green. But a Benning / Boudreau duo would’ve had the same effect as an Alvin / Boudreau team. The proof is in the fact that the Rutherford/ Alvin team didn’t make any moves concerning current players. No it's not because morale was reported to be really bad throughout the organization. Let's not underestimate the impact of poor management can do to a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Just now, iinatcc said: No it's not because morale was reported to be really bad throughout the organization. Let's not underestimate the impact of poor management can do to a team. While that may be true is was the team Benning built that nearly got into the playoffs, despite being pronounced dead on arrival by the Benning haters in November. The time was right to make changes but he didn’t do as poorly of a job as is parroted on here ad nauseam either. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 1 minute ago, canuck73_3 said: And again he had to start from literally zero. Vegas went from zero to cup finalist in a season. Of course the situation is different but it goes to show what can a creative and cunning GM can do, something Benning was not. This should have been apparent the moment McCann and a early 2nd was traded for Gudbransson. Or overpaying Beagle and Roussel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, iinatcc said: No it's not because morale was reported to be really bad throughout the organization. Let's not underestimate the impact of poor management can do to a team. That’s on Green. Not Benning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Just now, iinatcc said: Vegas went from zero to cup finalist in a season. Of course the situation is different but it goes to show what can a creative and cunning GM can do, something Benning was not. This should have been apparent the moment McCann and a early 2nd was traded for Gudbransson. Or overpaying Beagle and Roussel. Vegas was a benefactor to teams panicking over expansion draft, how’d Seattle do second go around? Vegas starting at zero with $0 in cap spent is a disingenuous comparison to a team needing a full rebuild with a maxed out cap. Delusional to think the two are remotely similar situations. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 1 minute ago, canuck73_3 said: While that may be true is was the team Benning built that nearly got into the playoffs, despite being pronounced dead on arrival by the Benning haters in November. The time was right to make changes but he didn’t do as poorly of a job as is parroted on here ad nauseam either. Nearly but not close enough. Plus even if the team made it to the playoffs whose to say it wouldn't be a sweep against the Avs like Nashville? Also even if the team made the playoffs what will happen next season. OEL still has a big overpaid contract. Also if you listened to Sportsnet 650 they discussed how poorly overall Benning managed the team. From him being too hands on to parting ways of Judd Brackett to Benning's lack of vision and communication Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Vegas was a benefactor to teams panicking over expansion draft, how’d Seattle do second go around? Vegas starting at zero with $0 in cap spent is a disingenuous comparison to a team needing a full rebuild with a maxed out cap. Delusional to think the two are remotely similar situations. Exactly Vegas outsmarted all the GMs. Who has Benning ever outsmarted or had a big win in his deals? Edited May 10, 2022 by iinatcc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Me_ said: That’s on Green. Not Benning. I'm sorry if in any organization morale comes more from the leadership than your direct report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Just now, iinatcc said: Nearly but not close enough. Plus even if the team made it to the playoffs whose to say it wouldn't be a sweep against the Avs like Nashville? Also even if the team made the playoffs what will happen next season. OEL still has a big overpaid contract. Also if you listened to Sportsnet 650 they discussed how poorly overall Benning managed the team. From him being too hands on to parting ways of Judd Brackett to Benning's lack of vision and communication We matched well with Colorado and while a series win may be out of reach we wouldn’t have been swept either, I hear Demko is pretty good. Toronto 650 reporting is mindless speculation at best. And disingenuous at worst. I’ll take their reporting with a grain of salt. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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