Pure961089 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Herberts Vasiljevs said: I would put Danielson in that category without blinking an eye. I've heard comparisons of Brandon Sutter. When he was healthy he was a great #3 centre for the Canucks. Maybe there's more potential if he plays with better players. I see 2nd line potential with Danielson. Moore has McKinnon tier speed though, he'd be hard to pass up over Danielson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Smashian Kassian said: Watching some of the U18 games again. I'm getting the hype with Willander. He has a physical edge to him, really strong along the walls & likes to play the body, a real pain in the ass to play against. He's good at containing an attacker along the wall, establishing body position, & taking the puck away - then getting away with his feet or finding the open pass quickly. Against the Americans he was taking the body any chance he could & knocking their top guys over. He's a heads up player with & without the puck. Defensively he's aware of his check off the puck & when he gets the puck he's not afraid to take that extra split second under pressure to make the right play, plus he's got the excellent skating ability to carry it when he needs too but alot of times he'll just make the right pass. Maybe a Tanev-type defensive player with a physical game, his defensive details are great already. Offensively he handles the puck really well & like I said can pass well. Its not his bread & butter atm but I understand the thought he has room for improvement. He very clearly has puck skills & smarts. He scored a nice goal PP goal against Canada from the point where he made it seem like he was going to pass, but he had his head up & instead ripped a wrister through traffic that caught the goalie off guard. this one starts off with Willander showing his agility 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 4 hours ago, Alflives said: We took Yzerboy to the woodshed. He had to explain during his season ending presser that it was on him got the club going into the dumper after he traded Hronek. SLO Mo just isn’t good enough to take on the #1 D that Hronek was playing. And when asked to go do he failed miserably and the Wings suffered as a result. We literally stole their best player and he’s only 25. Yzermsn will be fired very soon. As he was from Tampa. For being stupid. #hateallbutus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 1 hour ago, mordekai said: Man some have Reinbacher at 20 and some at 5 some have ASP at 5 and some at 20. I have seen Cristal at 5-6 and some at 30. Who actually has a good track record at these prospect rankings? Anyone know and trust? I don’t really put too much stock in these rankings. The rankings just gives you an idea of where they should go, based off certain scouts personally impressions of the player. What really matters is how teams ranked the prospects by their own list. This is why I said, I wouldn’t be surprised if Reinbacher or ASP are picked above their projected rank. Because, I’m willing to bet someone picking in the top 10 has them ranked in their top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Pure961089 said: The Canucks most pressing need is centre depth. At one point is was a rhd but with the additions of Bear McWard and Hronek and Woo taking a massive step it's not our #1 urgency anymore. The Canucks desperately need some blue chip centre depth in their prospects pool. My targets would be Moore or Dvorsky in the 1st round and Wahlberg in the 3rd round 1 hour ago, Herberts Vasiljevs said: I would put Danielson in that category without blinking an eye. I would be very happy with Moore, Dvorsky, or Danielson. It seems likely that Moore and Dvorsky will be gone before the Canucks pick but there is a chance one of them falls to 11. Danielson is likely to be there at 11 and, in my list, he will be the BPA at that point. I agree that D is not as pressing right now. (Yeah, it would be great to another good D prospect, but the hole at center is bigger.) In the unlikely event that Reinbacher is there at 11, then by all means take him, But I will be disappointed if the Canucks take Willander or ASP over Danielson, Moore, or Dvorsky. Given the rumours about the Canucks interest in Willander and Barlow, I wonder if they are thinking of him a target if they trade down a few spots and try to get a second round pick in return. T he Canucks apparently took 4 guys out to dinner at the combine: Danielson, Barlow, Willander, and Benson. There is a decent chance that all 4 guys will be there when the Canucks pick at 11. If so, the Canucks might feel safe in trading down a few spots. But I think I would just pick Danielson if that situation comes up. One thing I like about Danielson is that, given his skating, his size, and "details" in his game, he would likely be able to help the team in his draft +2 year -- when Petey and Hronek will still be with the team (and Demko and Hughes). That year (2024-25) is likely to be the Canuck's best shot at doing something good in the playoffs for a while and it would nice to draft a guy who can contribute.to that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 4 hours ago, JamesB said: I would be very happy with Moore, Dvorsky, or Danielson. It seems likely that Moore and Dvorsky will be gone before the Canucks pick but there is a chance one of them falls to 11. Danielson is likely to be there at 11 and, in my list, he will be the BPA at that point. I agree that D is not as pressing right now. (Yeah, it would be great to another good D prospect, but the hole at center is bigger.) In the unlikely event that Reinbacher is there at 11, then by all means take him, But I will be disappointed if the Canucks take Willander or ASP over Danielson, Moore, or Dvorsky. Given the rumours about the Canucks interest in Willander and Barlow, I wonder if they are thinking of him a target if they trade down a few spots and try to get a second round pick in return. T he Canucks apparently took 4 guys out to dinner at the combine: Danielson, Barlow, Willander, and Benson. There is a decent chance that all 4 guys will be there when the Canucks pick at 11. If so, the Canucks might feel safe in trading down a few spots. But I think I would just pick Danielson if that situation comes up. One thing I like about Danielson is that, given his skating, his size, and "details" in his game, he would likely be able to help the team in his draft +2 year -- when Petey and Hronek will still be with the team (and Demko and Hughes). That year (2024-25) is likely to be the Canuck's best shot at doing something good in the playoffs for a while and it would nice to draft a guy who can contribute.to that. Believe they also took Wood out to dinner... Rick Dhaliwal · Jun 13, 2023 @DhaliwalSports · Follow Replying to @DonnieandDhali Agent Ross Gurney will not confirm but I am hearing the Canucks had dinner with Chilliwack native Zack Benson at the NHL combine last week. Another player the Canucks are very high on. Rick Dhaliwal @DhaliwalSports · Follow Canucks also took Nanaimo native and F Mathew Wood out to dinner in Buffalo last week. 7:55 PM · Jun 13, 2023 74 Reply Share 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 8 hours ago, spook007 said: How much would Tanev be worth this organisation just about now? What a great pick up he was. Tanev is old and broken Canucks need to do way better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 7 hours ago, mordekai said: Man some have Reinbacher at 20 and some at 5 some have ASP at 5 and some at 20. I have seen Cristal at 5-6 and some at 30. Who actually has a good track record at these prospect rankings? Anyone know and trust? Everyone is guessing by the looks of how different everyone's list is. Maybe it's a good idea to draft by positional needs. Take the best C or D available at #11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smashian Kassian Posted June 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2023 7 hours ago, Pure961089 said: The Canucks most pressing need is centre depth. At one point is was a rhd but with the additions of Bear McWard and Hronek and Woo taking a massive step it's not our #1 urgency anymore. The Canucks desperately need some blue chip centre depth in their prospects pool. My targets would be Moore or Dvorsky in the 1st round and Wahlberg in the 3rd round 5 hours ago, JamesB said: I would be very happy with Moore, Dvorsky, or Danielson. It seems likely that Moore and Dvorsky will be gone before the Canucks pick but there is a chance one of them falls to 11. Danielson is likely to be there at 11 and, in my list, he will be the BPA at that point. I agree that D is not as pressing right now. (Yeah, it would be great to another good D prospect, but the hole at center is bigger.) In the unlikely event that Reinbacher is there at 11, then by all means take him, But I will be disappointed if the Canucks take Willander or ASP over Danielson, Moore, or Dvorsky. Given the rumours about the Canucks interest in Willander and Barlow, I wonder if they are thinking of him a target if they trade down a few spots and try to get a second round pick in return. I think both are a need, but I'd disagree slightly b/c we do have Raty who is a better C prospect than any of our D prospects. He could be a good 2nd/3rd line NHL C, I don't see a clear middle pair D in our prospect pool. And your not using this pick to get a player in the immediacy anyways so the holes on the current roster shouldn't be guiding the decision. If you view Willander or ASP as #3 defenseman, Colby Barlow as a consistent 30 goal & potentially 40 goal scorer, and you view Danielson or Moore as middle 6C's - perhaps more likely 3C's on a good team - then I don't think it's a given you take the C at all. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post R3aL Posted June 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2023 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: I think both are a need, but I'd disagree slightly b/c we do have Raty who is a better C prospect than any of our D prospects. He could be a good 2nd/3rd line NHL C, I don't see a clear middle pair D in our prospect pool. And your not using this pick to get a player in the immediacy anyways so the holes on the current roster shouldn't be guiding the decision. If you view Willander or ASP as #3 defenseman, Colby Barlow as a consistent 30 goal & potentially 40 goal scorer, and you view Danielson or Moore as middle 6C's - perhaps more likely 3C's on a good team - then I don't think it's a given you take the C at all. But if you view danielson as a shutdown second line C that can also be a near PPG player that can play any role on your team and is a good faceoff guy, and kid with leadership qualities and could be nhl ready faster than most and has the floor of a bottom 6 nhler since he has all the physical tools, IQ and skating already to be a bottom 6 nhler then maybe he’s the guy. see Danielson has Moore best in every facet of the game imo except for explosive straight line speed moore has Danielson but not by huge margin. Danielson is an exceptional skater and has Moore beat in: - IQ - being THE GUY - shot - play making both off the rush or in the offensive zone - defensive reads - lock down shut down / shadowing / matchup defending - timeline to NHL - being a surefire C, Moore is not - offensive potential - size - right handed (more rare asset to team and a projectabke org need) - faceoffs - captain leadership qualities @JamesB enjoyed your write up don’t agree on Willander or just having Moore ahead of Danielson could you share how you rank Moore over him? You aren’t alone in this I’m just curious how you compare them. Edited June 14, 2023 by R3aL 1 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 1 hour ago, NUCKER67 said: Tanev is old and broken Canucks need to do way better Think you missed the point. An 18 year old Tanev coming in or a 22 year old Tanev to play with QH. (We were speaking about if Wilander could be a Tanev clone. Not Tanev in Calgary (although he would probably still do a job for a season or two). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 1 hour ago, NUCKER67 said: Everyone is guessing by the looks of how different everyone's list is. Maybe it's a good idea to draft by positional needs. Take the best C or D available at #11 Sounds true, especially if the prospects really are as close as it seems... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 59 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: Everyone is guessing by the looks of how different everyone's list is. Maybe it's a good idea to draft by positional needs. Take the best C or D available at #11 I think it will already be factored into their final list. The only way I see us taking a winger is if they think that winger is going to be a big time goal scorer / game breaker similar to the logic behind tsking JL and how he had a shot that really separates him from the group. When ranking shooters in this draft with who has the best shots for forwards bw interesting to see peoples lists 1. bedard is easy 2. Barlow I think is next but then it gets interesting dvorksy and Danielson to me are similar in they actually have great heavy shots but their volume isn’t to the level of a shooter and I think it came down to team mates / situations for them. So it’s hard to rank beyond Barlow in the draft for me where it’s very clear who’s shots are better. but Barlow being just behind bedard is why I think the Canucks are interested. Same reason they were interested in JL, guys got a shot 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 9 hours ago, spook007 said: The point being what signal does it send to Petey prior to his contract extension, that we drop our 2C and one of the few, who actually battles, for draft picks? Demko like wise... If I am Petey, and want win hockey games and be the best I can be, I will think long and hard about, when I MAY get the opportunity to do just that. Will I wish my life away, or will I try to go to a contender, or a team that actually has these players you mention in the system already. I often hear, the team that contend don't have the cap space, but that didn't stop Florida from signing Tkachuk. Or how about a team like Chicago or Ducks? They may already have the funds available to sign Petey in two years, while they are rebuilding. Petey may opt to sign here on a short term contract only, if he feels this is going nowhere, and let it be known, that he fancy a switch to team that may soon contend. Alternatively, he may think, I'll stay, but if that's the level of interest they show, then I want to get paid, big time... I think, the rebuild should have happen a few years ago (actually way back, when Gillis said so), but we when got Miller in (a fabulous trade, but at the wrong time) it was never gonna happen. We would have been so much further ahead, had we sucked another year or two only... Now we are, where we are, and we try and get the best out of the horses, we have.... If we want to rebuild and let go of Miller, we may as well go full Monty, strip it down to the bones, while there is value to be had, and get loads of 1st and 2nd and try to build a team, where they all come up at once. We have a lot of valuable pieces atm, and the question is if we can build a team around them. I think that is possible... I takes 1-2 years to get rid of the dodgy contracts, and in that time we should have a few cheap Ds in the team, as well as supporting cast from below, so yes I am confident, it can be done. While I agree with your main points overall I don't think you need to go full Monty with a rebuild. It may be the best, maybe not but it's not the only way. Like I said there is a path where we build a team and are ready to compete and Petey and Hughes are just fine (Miller turned into assets) and onboard to win a Cup in 2027-29. Players can't just demand Cups. Just like your icon Ferguson, do you think he would cower to a young whelps demands ... nope he would not. A hockey team should be something you build and it takes years, not 2, or 1. Having said that I made the statement not because I desperately want Miller traded ... I still think it may be best but I've accepted he may remain here. Just disagree there is only your way. One reason I like NHL way more than Football (sacca) now is because the players don't just leave all the time and there are rules against it. Therefore I don't put much stock in Petey's desires other than those that align with trying to build a winner. I still think the team needs to be the focus. You are absolutely correct that action should have been taken years ago. This is why I'm so hard on the team myself. Why on earth they spent to the cap pushing for the playoffs the last 5 years with a crap team was so stupid. I could clearly see during the Covid years we should have been building, not wasting assets and cap space and spinning our wheels. For the record, with the way Benning was building I don't think he ever intended on keeping Miller and new his contract was outside our ability to pay the way he was structuring the team. He should have always been traded for a haul. Now we see we're the worst capped out team in the league because of it. Hard to win like that. To me trade Miller or don't but trading Petey and Hughes as a choice is a bad move. Good post though bro! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Off_The_Schneid! Posted June 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2023 Here’s a theory of mine: Vancouver is interested in Barlow, Willander, Danielson The Benson/Wood dinners were just dinners for local guys who most likely grew up as Canuck fans to give them a memorable experience If Benson falls he would be a guy Nashville would be interested in trading up for . 15th + 46th + 79 for 11+ 89 In this scenario if your sitting at 11 and Benson is available you know Nashville is picking Benson leaving 3 picks. One of Danielson,Wood, Barlow, Willander, would be available 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 14 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: While I agree with your main points overall I don't think you need to go full Monty with a rebuild. It may be the best, maybe not but it's not the only way. Like I said there is a path where we build a team and are ready to compete and Petey and Hughes are just fine (Miller turned into assets) and onboard to win a Cup in 2027-29. Players can't just demand Cups. Just like your icon Ferguson, do you think he would cower to a young whelps demands ... nope he would not. A hockey team should be something you build and it takes years, not 2, or 1. Having said that I made the statement not because I desperately want Miller traded ... I still think it may be best but I've accepted he may remain here. Just disagree there is only your way. One reason I like NHL way more than Football (sacca) now is because the players don't just leave all the time and there are rules against it. Therefore I don't put much stock in Petey's desires other than those that align with trying to build a winner. I still think the team needs to be the focus. You are absolutely correct that action should have been taken years ago. This is why I'm so hard on the team myself. Why on earth they spent to the cap pushing for the playoffs the last 5 years with a crap team was so stupid. I could clearly see during the Covid years we should have been building, not wasting assets and cap space and spinning our wheels. For the record, with the way Benning was building I don't think he ever intended on keeping Miller and new his contract was outside our ability to pay the way he was structuring the team. He should have always been traded for a haul. Now we see we're the worst capped out team in the league because of it. Hard to win like that. To me trade Miller or don't but trading Petey and Hughes as a choice is a bad move. Good post though bro! Cheers amigo. Likewise. I think there is more than one way to skin a cat, and yes your idea may better than mine. I just personally think the boat sailed a few years ago, with the rebuild. From my chair (in the sunshine in the garden), there were two opportunities to start the rebuild after 2012-13 and again 2-3 years ago. Even last year, when everything was falling apart would have been a good time to let it fall to the bottom, if at all possible. problem was and still is the boys wants to win, and every time, we get a good player in (this time Hronek) we get further from the rebuild... I'm not sure if Petey, QH and Demmer will look favourable on a tear down, they might but who knows... As for Ferguson, you're absolutely right, that he would not take any garbage or threats from anyone of his players... He shipped out lots of big stars, who got too big for their shoes, at least in Fergusons own mind, but he also stood up for them, when the whole world was at their throats. But even he had to change his ways in the latter years. I think even football have changed a lot, as in the earlier years, the clubs were in total control of the contracts, and could do as they pleased. Now a day it feels like players have all the control, and has to be handled with silk gloves like a bunch of babies, or the agents will demand a trade. At utd the players are paid so much, that they don't want to leave ( same at other big clubs, I'm sure), and it turns the dressing rooms into a country club, not much unlike some of the NHl clubs where the older players on rich long term contracts seems to put down tools partially. Anyway... love the debates amigo. Whether we agree on everything or partially agrees makes no difference... its all about points of view, and enlarge your horizon (at least it is for me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 35 minutes ago, R3aL said: I think it will already be factored into their final list. The only way I see us taking a winger is if they think that winger is going to be a big time goal scorer / game breaker similar to the logic behind tsking JL and how he had a shot that really separates him from the group. When ranking shooters in this draft with who has the best shots for forwards bw interesting to see peoples lists 1. bedard is easy 2. Barlow I think is next but then it gets interesting dvorksy and Danielson to me are similar in they actually have great heavy shots but their volume isn’t to the level of a shooter and I think it came down to team mates / situations for them. So it’s hard to rank beyond Barlow in the draft for me where it’s very clear who’s shots are better. but Barlow being just behind bedard is why I think the Canucks are interested. Same reason they were interested in JL, guys got a shot Agree... think another aspect is the readiness of the player. If they really wanna push over the next coiple of years, they need ELCs with ability to cone in, or at least it would likely be easier that way to stay cap compliant with players to replace Garland, Boeser or Beau over the next year or two. We need players who can defend as well as score. PK and still be an asset going forward. I think the players they have had for dinners sounds like players, who goes full tilt. Like that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey Castiglione Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 9 hours ago, R3aL said: I mean if Willndee is a a hit they’d have a prett elite top 3 in seider edvinsson Willander and a big mobile blueline looks key to playoff success I could see them drafting dvorksy / Simashev / Willander This definitely seems to be the key. Which is why I feel we should always draft Defense heavy. That and RHD being a premium asset, we can always flip D for forwards but it's much harder to do the inverse, as we're experiencing right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 1 hour ago, R3aL said: But if you view danielson as a shutdown second line C that can also be a near PPG player that can play any role on your team and is a good faceoff guy, and kid with leadership qualities and could be nhl ready faster than most and has the floor of a bottom 6 nhler since he has all the physical tools, IQ and skating already to be a bottom 6 nhler then maybe he’s the guy. see Danielson has Moore best in every facet of the game imo except for explosive straight line speed moore has Danielson but not by huge margin. Danielson is an exceptional skater and has Moore beat in: - IQ - being THE GUY - shot - play making both off the rush or in the offensive zone - defensive reads - lock down shut down / shadowing / matchup defending - timeline to NHL - being a surefire C, Moore is not - offensive potential - size - right handed (more rare asset to team and a projectabke org need) - faceoffs - captain leadership qualities Thats fair, and this is the million dollar question, what's the upside? Could he be a Kesler level matchup center, or are we talking about an Adam Lowry type (whom I do love btw). I'm not sure my opinion yet, planning to watch video on Danielson & Dvorsky so I'm sure we'll discuss it more once I've seen more Quickly on Moore. I really like Moore for what he is. I'm thinking a Chandler Stephenson / Antoine Vermette / Mikeal Backlund type. I think he'll be a C & a top PK guy, a matchup guy, he'll score some points but more of a secondary scorer & 2nd PP type. Elite 3C, solid 2C. Not sure I'd take him at #11 but he's a guy you win with & you'd love to have on your team. 54 minutes ago, R3aL said: I think it will already be factored into their final list. but Barlow being just behind bedard is why I think the Canucks are interested. Same reason they were interested in JL, guys got a shot I'd add on Barlow, he has grittiness too him aswell that's why he's so highly coveted. He's not a pest like Tkachuk but he's got the potential to be a strong player around the net like Tkachuk - on-top of the amazing shot. He's got that kind of top 6 PWF/Grit scorer upside to him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted June 14, 2023 Author Share Posted June 14, 2023 2 hours ago, NUCKER67 said: Everyone is guessing by the looks of how different everyone's list is. Maybe it's a good idea to draft by positional needs. Take the best C or D available at #11 Or maybe it's a good idea to draft according to the list of the scouts you pay good money, instead of lists made by journalists for public consumption......... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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