hammertime Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 4 hours ago, Phat Fingers said: Hammer time… that’s for PTSD… not the Canucks Drafting…. Oh, wait…. Keep writing, and don’t let up until you can stop hearing the footsteps of past drafts… The anxiety and or reason to doubt is ridiculously valid, especially when this team drafts a defence and with the first over all pick.., Go knock on wood three times… Now I am anxious and oh, shit…. How long until we hear this on the CDC…. ’He hasn’t signed yet, he’s is going to take the college opt out path and sign somewhere not here….!’ I hope we never do, but it’s the CDC.., I think this kid is legit and after the 3 rd, I have zero idea what they were thinking, thus Tootsie’s is my theory… it’s at least funny as f#$k I dunno about Tootsie but to me it looks like Todd Harvey feels confident they stuck to their plan and got the players they wanted. He looks thrilled as a pig in poopie I sure hope that smile on his face means he knows a whole bunch most people don't. They have done quite well in terms of scouting the semi pro ranks. With Hirose, Bains, Mcward, Johansen, Juulson, Raty, Aman, Kravtsov? I think they have earned some benefit of the doubt on Muller/Perkins 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 10 hours ago, hammertime said: I dunno about Tootsie but to me it looks like Todd Harvey feels confident they stuck to their plan and got the players they wanted. He looks thrilled as a pig in poopie I sure hope that smile on his face means he knows a whole bunch most people don't. They have done quite well in terms of scouting the semi pro ranks. With Hirose, Bains, Mcward, Johansen, Juulson, Raty, Aman, Kravtsov? I think they have earned some benefit of the doubt on Muller/Perkins He does look like the cat that got the milk, or a teenager who had a first If its a winning number, time will tell, but he looks very plaesed indeed. And they've earned the benifit of doubt. Been fairly impressed with, how they've gone about their business up until now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 Canucks needed RD, so Allvin drafted 3 of them (one who will be the best D in this draft class) Legend Also, other teams are going to regret passing on Brzustewicz in Round 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanP Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 On 7/2/2023 at 12:29 AM, DownUndaCanuck said: I'd like to think we end up drafting 20+ next year but we'll see. As for the future, it is a bit exciting, who knows which prospects will pan out or not. Johansson in the AHL could really be an NHL guy sooner rather than later too. I think in 2-3 years, we'll see a team like this: Mikheyev - Pettersson - Lekkerimaki Kuzmenko - Miller - Podkolzin Hoglander - Raty - Garland Joshua - Aman - ? Hughes - Willander Soucy - Hronek Hirose - Johansson Rathbone? Pettersson? Garland on the roster in 2-3 years? That's quite a reach. Put Klimovich on Raty's right side - and we've got a very nice roster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 11 minutes ago, RomanP said: Garland on the roster in 2-3 years? That's quite a reach. Put Klimovich on Raty's right side - and we've got a very nice roster. Just because I think we won't be able to shift him sadly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanP Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 Just now, DownUndaCanuck said: Just because I think we won't be able to shift him sadly He only has 3 years left on his contract, including this upcoming season. So, in 3 years his contract will be gone regardless. And in 2 years - it's highly likely he's either traded or bought out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 1 hour ago, NUCKER67 said: Canucks needed RD, so Allvin drafted 3 of them (one who will be the best D in this draft class) Legend Also, other teams are going to regret passing on Brzustewicz in Round 2 I think a lot of teams will too. The value of his pick is immense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 So how did all your mock draft predictions go? Were they good, bad or worse than mine? Curious. I didn't have Danielson going 9th that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HighOnHockey Posted July 3, 2023 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2023 On 6/28/2023 at 1:21 AM, HighOnHockey said: Alright, I'll try finishing tomorrow, but this this may be as far as I get on my final mock. The parentheses with the personnel I expect to be most involved in making the pick were mostly just notes for myself, but I figured I'd leave them in, in case anyone is interested. 1. Chicago - Connor Bedard (Director of Amateur Scouting: Mike Doneghey) - Doesn't matter though, they're taking Bedard 2. Anaheim - Adam Fantilli (Directer of Player Evaluation: Bruce Franklin) - Again, probably wouldn't matter much who the scouts are behind the pick, Fantilli is the guy. 3. Columbus - Leo Carlsson (DAS: Ville Siren, ADAS: Trevor Timmins) - Timmins took Caufield early pretty recently, so there's some precedent for NTDP here, but Kekelainen seems to actively avoid drafting from that program. Besides, Carlsson seems to be the consensus BPA here. 4. San Jose - Will Smith (DAS: Chris Morehouse, DPP: Scott Fitzgerald) - Boston drafted incessantly out of the USHL and NTDP while Fitzgerald was there, so hard to imagine Smith falling past them here. 5. Montreal - Dalibor Dvorsky (DAS/DPP: Martin LaPointe, co-DAS: Nick Bobrov) - Maybe this is my personal bias showing, but they did take a Slovak first overall and another in the first round last year. Dvorsky feels like a Martin LaPointe kinda pick, although the same could be said for Leonard. 6. Arizona - Matthew Wood (GM: Bill Armstrong, DAS: Darryl Plandowski, ADAS: Ryan Jankowski) - These are tricky picks to predict. Between three old school Canadians at the helm, the tendencies scream CHL, but it seems a little early for any of the CHLers here. A trade-down seems likely, but if they're going to pick then Wood is my best guess, as both head scouts are based out of Western Canada, and the last two times Armstrong went outside of CHL in the first were collegiate players Logan Cooley and Tage Thompson. 7. Philadelphia - Ryan Leonard (AGM: Brent Flahr, DHO: Tom Minton) - This was the easiest decision since the first couple picks. Tom Minton has a close connection to the NTDP, Flahr has a long history drafting from the program, and the Torts-coached Flyers say they're looking for compete above all else in a draft pick. Not to mention he's the pretty clear BPA here. 8. Washington - Matvei Michkov (AGM: Ross Mahoney, DAS: Steve Bowman, DHO: Kris Wagner) All of the top guys running the draft have been there many years and had a ton of success, particularly out of Russia. 9. Detroit - David Reinbacher (DAS: Kris Draper, DES: Hakan Andersson) - They've picked overwhelmingly out of Europe with early picks since Yzerman took over. Mostly Sweden, but Seider came out of another secondary hockey market in Germany. 10. St. Louis - Colby Barlow (DAS: Tony Feltrin) - In 1999 Tony Feltrin and the Isles had three picks in the top ten and took all three out of the OHL. The Blues have also been hard after these heavy forwards lately (Snuggerud, Bolduc, Neighbors). 11. Vancouver - Tom Willander (GM: Patrik Allvin, DAS: Todd Harvey) - I have a feeling Gradin is going to be Allvin's number one guy. Looking like he hit it out of the park with another Swedish defenseman in Pettersson last year. Usually when a player skyrockets up Bob McKenzie's final ranking, they end up going even earlier on draft day. 12. Arizona - Nate Danielson - Again, the smart money is on a big forward out of Western Canada here. 13. Buffalo - Zach Benson (DAS Jerry Forton) - They have a pretty heavy core in place and went all skill with three firsts last year, including Benson's linemate Savoie at 9th overall. 14. Pittsburgh - Oliver Moore (DAS: Nick Pryor) - I mentioned before the Minnesota connection with their new head scout. Pretty good argument that Moore is BPA here, although Dubas doesn't have much of a track record drafting NTDP. 15. Nashville - Dimitri Simashev (AGM: Jeff Kealty) - Trotz said they wanna swing for the fences, well here you go. 16. Calgary - Gabe Perreault (DAS: Tod Button) - Arguably their two best picks under Button have been Adam Fox straight out of NTDP, and Matthew Tkachuk a year removed from it. On 6/28/2023 at 12:02 PM, HighOnHockey said: And here's the back half. Didn't put nearly as much time or effort as the first 16, largely because it was a lot of teams picking again so the research was already done. 17. Detroit - Axel Sandin-Pellikka 18. Winnipeg - Eduard Sale (DAS: Mark Hillier) - They don't mind taking flawed players with upside later in the first round. 19. Chicago - Brayden Yager 20. Seattle - Samuel Honzek (DAS: Robert Kron) - A strong European scouting staff but so far they've played it safe, picking mostly from North America. I'm sure covid didn't help. A European via CHL would be a great way to dip their toe in the water. 21. Minnesota - Daniil But (DAS: Judd Brackett) 22. Philadelphia - Gavin Brindley - Flahr drafts out of USHL and NTDP as much as anyone. I thought we were out of NTDPers for the first round but then I remembered Brindley. Seems like a Daniel Briere pick. 23. Rangers - Quentin Musty (DAS: John Lilley) 24. Nashville - Otto Stenberg 25. St. Louis - Calum Ritchie 26. San Jose - Mikhail Gulyayev 27. Colorado - Theo Lindstein (DAS: Wade Klippenstein, DHO: Scott Harris) 28. Toronto - Riley Heidt (DAS: Wes Clark, DPP: Dave Morrison) 29. St. Louis - Bradley Nadeau 30. Carolina - Andrew Cristall (AGM: Darren Yorke) 31. Colorado - Ethan Gauthier 32. Vegas - Oliver Bonk (DPP: Vaughn Karpan, ADPP: Bob Lowes, DAS: Scott Luce) 5/32. Not my best attempt, but sadly not my worst either. I had Bedard to Chicago, Smith to San Jose, Willander to Vancouver, Benson to Buffalo, and Sandin-Pellikka to Detroit. I guess the thing I'm pleased with myself about is predicting Benson and ASP would fall. The shitty part is I had both Fantilli/Carlsson and Michkov/Leonard flipped, one spot off for each of them. That close to 9/32 which would have been my best mock ever. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 @HighOnHockey Re The Perkins Pick I'm just curious. I know we left Minnetian on the board there and he was your horse. There were some fantastic picks that followed Perkins. Cirenik has that unbelievable speed. Caught my attention at the u18 in 2021 so I made sure to watch him at the U20 this year and catch a few games in the Allsven and he continued to impress me. I thought his skating alone would make him a 2nd rounder. Juha Jaktola G 20yo overager I thought Clarke may be pounding the table for him. He had an incredible season in Liiga. Cam Squires I'm not familiar. LD Luca Cagnoni home run swing LD. I did not expect him to be on the board at all. Beckett Hendrikson you seem to follow NTDP pretty closely. Of course Minnitian and then a bit further down. Carter Sotheran RD, Big, fast, mean, skilled boxes ticked Cam Allen RD(Boy oh boy did he drop), Eric Pohlkamp RD what a WJAC Curious other than Minnitian if there was another guy here you really wanted in the gap to Celebrini. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted July 3, 2023 Author Share Posted July 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, hammertime said: @HighOnHockey Re The Perkins Pick I'm just curious. I know we left Minnetian on the board there and he was your horse. There were some fantastic picks that followed Perkins. Cirenik has that unbelievable speed. Caught my attention at the u18 in 2021 so I made sure to watch him at the U20 this year and catch a few games in the Allsven and he continued to impress me. I thought his skating alone would make him a 2nd rounder. Juha Jaktola G 20yo overager I thought Clarke may be pounding the table for him. He had an incredible season in Liiga. Cam Squires I'm not familiar. LD Luca Cagnoni home run swing LD. I did not expect him to be on the board at all. Beckett Hendrikson you seem to follow NTDP pretty closely. Of course Minnitian and then a bit further down. Carter Sotheran RD, Big, fast, mean, skilled boxes ticked Cam Allen RD(Boy oh boy did he drop), Eric Pohlkamp RD what a WJAC Curious other than Minnitian if there was another guy here you really wanted in the gap to Celebrini. Ok I can comment on the players I'm familiar with. Ciernik was one I never paid too much attention to. Saw him a few times, liked what I saw; I had him in the 80s. I was a Cam Allen detractor early in the season because I thought he was way over-hyped, but I still ended up with him around 50 on my final ranking (just ahead of Brzustewicz actually) so yeah, would have been a good pick in the 4th. I was a pretty big Beckett Hednrickson fan most of the year. His skating is good, both in term of speed and agility, but not elite. IQ looks very good to me, very translatable. Good details, pretty good hands and passing ability. 6'2 but biggest drawback is he's 170 lbs. But the thing I like most is his game along the boards down low. Slight frame and loses his share of battles against higher level competition, but he's not just looking to dig pucks and chip it around, he's trying to spin off defenders, be evasive and make plays to the net out of the corners. I had him in the 60s. 6'6 over-age center Milton Oscarsson went at 167. I didn't have him ranked but I liked him at World Juniors. Axel Landen went at 130, he was another guy I was a big fan of this year; a defense-first 6'1 RHD, blocks shots, throws some big hits, but I also thought I saw flashes of pretty high-end puck-carrying. Had him in my 80s too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 (edited) On 7/3/2023 at 2:20 AM, hammertime said: I dunno about Tootsie but to me it looks like Todd Harvey feels confident they stuck to their plan and got the players they wanted. He looks thrilled as a pig in poopie I sure hope that smile on his face means he knows a whole bunch most people don't. They have done quite well in terms of scouting the semi pro ranks. With Hirose, Bains, Mcward, Johansen, Juulson, Raty, Aman, Kravtsov? I think they have earned some benefit of the doubt on Muller/Perkins I agree…. until the 4th round and I think maybe Alvin and Rutherford were so pleased with Willander and our 3rd rounders that they let the staff out early… LOL. Nah… I think they knew more about Willander than most Scouts did. Homework was done on Tom ‘Just converted to Defence’ Willander and got drafted as the most Defensively sound and Best Skating Defender in the Draft… The ‘knock’ of Willander was that his scoring and offence was lower than ASP and Reinbacher. Looks like the stat watchers and me included and a lot of NA scouts missed a pretty significant detail to Tom Willander and also I did not know he had committed to BU until he was drafted. Huge details missed by many who should be in the know. most of my information talked about Tom Willander going to the SHL with Rogle. Safe to say, that the kid himself feels pretty confident with his path and his ability to defend and I don’t think we have to worry about a converted Forward to Defender being able to contribute to the Offensive Production on the Ice. All I want to know, can he take draws…. We need a Righty and since he can do everything else… LOL. Alien 3.0, Really want to see at least a pre season game in the next few years with Petterson Petterson and Willander on the ice with Hogslander and Linus Karlsson. I think it would be a pretty decent line up of some very interesting Swedes, The Area 51 Line? Edited July 4, 2023 by Phat Fingers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 18 hours ago, hammertime said: @HighOnHockey Re The Perkins Pick I'm just curious. I know we left Minnetian on the board there and he was your horse. There were some fantastic picks that followed Perkins. Cirenik has that unbelievable speed. Caught my attention at the u18 in 2021 so I made sure to watch him at the U20 this year and catch a few games in the Allsven and he continued to impress me. I thought his skating alone would make him a 2nd rounder. Juha Jaktola G 20yo overager I thought Clarke may be pounding the table for him. He had an incredible season in Liiga. Cam Squires I'm not familiar. LD Luca Cagnoni home run swing LD. I did not expect him to be on the board at all. Beckett Hendrikson you seem to follow NTDP pretty closely. Of course Minnitian and then a bit further down. Carter Sotheran RD, Big, fast, mean, skilled boxes ticked Cam Allen RD(Boy oh boy did he drop), Eric Pohlkamp RD what a WJAC Curious other than Minnitian if there was another guy here you really wanted in the gap to Celebrini. I very curious why Cam Allen fell so far, I know he had a decline in production this year. He was still the Captain of the of both the Canada U18 team and Hlinka Gretzky team (where he had a really good tournament, led all Dmen in scoring and tied for 4th with Zach Benson for tournament scoring). I though the Canucks might have took a chance on him having 3 4th round picks, and tried to right the ship. He was projected to be a 1st round pick at the start of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted July 4, 2023 Author Share Posted July 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said: I very curious why Cam Allen fell so far, I know he had a decline in production this year. He was still the Captain of the of both the Canada U18 team and Hlinka Gretzky team (where he had a really good tournament, led all Dmen in scoring and tied for 4th with Zach Benson for tournament scoring). I though the Canucks might have took a chance on him having 3 4th round picks, and tried to right the ship. He was projected to be a 1st round pick at the start of the year. Yeah but projected by who? I never really trust this narrative anymore because I watched it all go down with Aatu Raty. As far as I know it was mostly Craig Button (and a lot stat-watching fans and bloggers) who started saying early he was a first overall contender. But a number of posters HF who I trust know their shit said from the get-go it was hogwash, and he wouldn't go anything close to first. 2021 was such a wide open draft and nobody had a clue who would go first a year out, but Button needs to churn out the content and he needed to guess somebody. I don't mean this to be me hating on Button; I don't dislike him, but he's just one guy, and I don't think he watches quite as much prospects - especially D-1s - as fans assume he does. It just creates so much confusion though. All these fans then asking what happened and why did he fall, but in reality he was just never as good a prospect as some people thought. I'm not sure to what extent this applies to Cam Allen, but personally I always thought he was at least a little over-hyped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, HighOnHockey said: Yeah but projected by who? I never really trust this narrative anymore because I watched it all go down with Aatu Raty. As far as I know it was mostly Craig Button (and a lot stat-watching fans and bloggers) who started saying early he was a first overall contender. But a number of posters HF who I trust know their shit said from the get-go it was hogwash, and he wouldn't go anything close to first. 2021 was such a wide open draft and nobody had a clue who would go first a year out, but Button needs to churn out the content and he needed to guess somebody. I don't mean this to be me hating on Button; I don't dislike him, but he's just one guy, and I don't think he watches quite as much prospects - especially D-1s - as fans assume he does. It just creates so much confusion though. All these fans then asking what happened and why did he fall, but in reality he was just never as good a prospect as some people thought. I'm not sure to what extent this applies to Cam Allen, but personally I always thought he was at least a little over-hyped. You usually dont get to captain team Canada without having some stuff going for you though. He did look very good at the Hlinka but since then has trended in the wrong direction. I think there is something else going on there. He definitely has 2nd round talent and is a RD, his performance in his D-1 year was very good. He was also the 3rd overall selection in the OHL draft. Capitals got a good project guy, if they can get him back on track he does have some top 4 potential. He also tested extremely well at the combine finishing top 5 in the following categories: Aerobic Fitness: Test Duration Anaerobic Fitness: – Mean Power Output (watts/kg) Force Plate: Vertical Jump (inches) Musculoskeletal: Left Hand Grip (lb) Musculoskeletal: Right Hand Grip (lb) Musculoskeletal: Pull-Ups Consecutive (max #) Musculoskeletal: Horizontal Jump (inches) Edited July 4, 2023 by Bure_Pavel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted July 4, 2023 Author Share Posted July 4, 2023 (edited) I think Dallas is getting a good one. @Mike Vanderhoek Edited July 4, 2023 by HighOnHockey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 21 hours ago, Bure_Pavel said: I very curious why Cam Allen fell so far, I know he had a decline in production this year. He was still the Captain of the of both the Canada U18 team and Hlinka Gretzky team (where he had a really good tournament, led all Dmen in scoring and tied for 4th with Zach Benson for tournament scoring). I though the Canucks might have took a chance on him having 3 4th round picks, and tried to right the ship. He was projected to be a 1st round pick at the start of the year. I think the decline, his skating, and the fact he may have physically peaked early are these strongest reasons I can see for the Cam Allen drop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 Spoiler 18 hours ago, HighOnHockey said: I think Dallas is getting a good one. @Mike Vanderhoek Hi Ya and at that spot no pressure, patience and nothing but upside disappointed we didn’t snag him oh well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 watch Bichsel-Minnetian be a force to just drive borh @hammertime+ @HighOnHockey crazy 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 1 hour ago, R3aL said: watch Bichsel-Minnetian be a force to just drive borh @hammertime+ @HighOnHockey crazy Stirring the pot.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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