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1 hour ago, Phat Fingers said:

After seeing Tom Willander and his frame and his entire approach, I was impressed.

 

This is a serious dude.

 

Then to hear him speak about why he choose to go to Boston U, to gain as much development as possible, with a family background in Sports Science, a super serious dude.

 

His has all the tools and his pathway and demeanour suggest this guy is not one who accepts second place very easily and that he is laser focused on a extremely thought put path.

 

I don’t think he is going to be playing ‘Fortnite’ or wanting buck bunnies around.

 

The best part about Tom, he is apparently Uber competitive.

 

His coach on J20 said to scouts that Tom had to be coached to lighten up on his own teammates in defensive drills, because he was so fierce and good at defending that his J20 Coach at Rogel didn’t want Tom breaking the spirit of his offensive players.

 

Yup.

 

Yup.

 

Yup.

 

Yup.

 

Yup.

 

Yup.

 

Etc…

 

Never has the Canucks ever drafted a guy like this in the first round.

 

Never has the Canucks ever had such a smart and fierce defensive prospect in our entire history.

 

Matty Ohlund pre eye injury?

 

Elder with way more Moxie and Mojo and less goofy breakdowns and a RHD?

 

The Canucks were drafting a player for Quinn Hughes.

 

Full Stop.

 

This was their guy.

 

No doubt and they got their guy.

 

Specifically for Quinn Hughes and this prospect is taking the College Path instead of staying in Sweden.

 

Is this the next brainiac defender that has the size and physicality that Tanev never did, but equal skating and game speed intelligence that may rival Petey but without the puck?

 

Look at pictures of Nick Lidstrom and look at his focus and stare.

 

Miro Heiskanen has that same laser focus and I think Tom Willander has signs of it in his eyes too.

 

One of the subtle but un thought of aspects of a Nick Lidstrom’s effect on the Red Wings dynasty wasn’t in games.

 

It was in practice.

 

You had to beat Nick Lidstrom and Chris Chelios in drills to make the cut.

 

Then game day your playing other defenders not named Nick Lidstrom and or Chris Chelios…

 

If Tom can bring his compete to a Rick Tockett and Adam Foote practice, how much better could Tom make our own players?

 

Couldn’t hurt to make defensive practices way harder for our amazing forwards as a push?

 

 

100%  Phatty!!!!  You hit all of points I think relevant as to why he was drafted by this management at #11.  Many people here think we picked him for position over bpa... How about... We picked the bpa, whom happens to also be our #1 position of need.

 

Not focusing on his physical traits.  Leta look at his mental make-up.  This starts with looking at what kind of personalities we already have in our core. 

 

Petey: soft spoken stoic, gracious with a quiet, intense ultra competitive nature. 

 

Hughes: soft spoken but wise beyond his years.  Understands and seems to enjoy being a leader.  When speaking, teammates listen.  With a quiet intense ultra competitive nature.

 

JT: outspoken, wearing his heart on his sleeve, emotional, firery competitive and also compassionate personality.  Speaks his truth willingly and with conviction... Sometimes, even when timing is wrong (work in progress).

 

Demko: fun loving, grounded, thoughtful, stoic, unwavering rock solid, dependable, fiercely loyal,  quiet intense competitive nature.

 

These are our core guys as of today... Hronek might be added to this group in time but no read as of now.  Personally, I predict Podz could become part of this core, IF and that a big if... He builds more self confidence.  In my view, that's whats been holding him back... Some of that us due to immaturity as well.

 

That brings me to Willander... Obviously we just drafted him, and don't know him that well yet.  BUT gotta say... Just from the few interview I've see with him and other scouts and coaches that have gone on the record to talk about his person and competitive nature.... I LOVE, LOVE what I hear!  Willander might just turn out to be that addition to our core to COMPLETE it.  Make it well rounded.  His personality is what I was hoping Podz could have and may still have elements that are sorely missed in this current core.   I see Willander being the bridge between a personality like JT (one end of the spectrum) and Petey (the other end of the spectrum).  His confidence in self (even a bit cocky in a good way), super articulate, highly intelligent, somewhat stoic by nature.... But OVERLY competitive nature similar to JT.  This guy single handedly can really get this team to a place only the real elite teams are (Tampa, Vegas, etc).  

You can have all the talent in the world but if you don't have the right mix of personalities in the locker room... Chances are really slim that your name will be engraved on the most storied championship trophy in sports.

 

Let's goooo!!!!

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With the complete benefit of hindsight I still can't make up my mind.

 

Round 1

Pick 11: PWF Daniil But/ Happy with Willander would have gone But though

 

Round 3

Pick 75: W Juraj Pekarcik/ Hunter was a great pick but I've been hoping for Pekarcik all year I would have taken him.

Pick 89: LD Artu Karki/ LD Terrell Goldsmith probably the scariest dude in the draft those hands are grenades. 

 

Round 4

Pick 105: RD Cam Allen/ RD Bogdan Konyushkov

Pick 107: C Luca Pinelli/ LW Alex Ciernik

Pick 119: RD Arem Minnetian/ RD Carter Sotheran

 

There were 4 really good RD available to us in the 4th and 2 home run dinger fwds

 

Round 6

Pick 171: C Zeb Forsfjall/ LD Kristian Kostadinski/ LD Oskar Asplund/ LW Emil Jarventie 

Some incredible value picks still on the board all of these guys I would have been thrilled with in the 3rd/4th. 

 

I don't hate how the draft went I think our 4th and beyond was very questionable but having a tantrum about 4ths is silly.  

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31 minutes ago, hammertime said:

re posting

 

With the complete benefit of hindsight I still can't make up my mind.

 

Round 1

Pick 11: PWF Daniil But/ Happy with Willander would have gone But though

 

Round 3

Pick 75: W Juraj Pekarcik/ Hunter was a great pick but I've been hoping for Pekarcik all year I would have taken him.

Pick 89: LD Artu Karki/ LD Terrell Goldsmith probably the scariest dude in the draft those hands are grenades. 

 

Round 4

Pick 105: RD Cam Allen/ RD Bogdan Konyushkov

Pick 107: C Luca Pinelli/ LW Alex Ciernik

Pick 119: RD Arem Minnetian/ RD Carter Sotheran

 

There were 4 really good RD available to us in the 4th and 2 home run dinger fwds

 

Round 6

Pick 171: C Zeb Forsfjall/ LD Kristian Kostadinski/ LD Oskar Asplund/ LW Emil Jarventie 

Some incredible value picks still on the board all of these guys I would have been thrilled with in the 3rd/4th. 

 

I don't hate how the draft went I think our 4th and beyond was very questionable but having a tantrum about 4ths is silly.  

let it go GIF

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On 6/29/2023 at 10:31 AM, BCNate said:

I don't mean to argue at all, but I don't really thing that is impressive at all.  He absolutely blew 3 top 10 picks on Virtanen, OJ, Podkolzin.  Considering how high we were picking most years, we should have had far more impactful NHLers.  

The narrative about "blowing" top 10 pick is a strange one. Virtanen, yes, was a reach that didn't pan out. Juolevi WAS listed on scouts' lists in the top 10 and so was Podkolzin.

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4 hours ago, Phat Fingers said:

After seeing Tom Willander and his frame and his entire approach, I was impressed.

 

This is a serious dude.

 

Then to hear him speak about why he choose to go to Boston U, to gain as much development as possible, with a family background in Sports Science, a super serious dude.

 

His has all the tools and his pathway and demeanour suggest this guy is not one who accepts second place very easily and that he is laser focused on a extremely thought put path.

 

I don’t think he is going to be playing ‘Fortnite’ or wanting buck bunnies around.

 

The best part about Tom, he is apparently Uber competitive.

 

His coach on J20 said to scouts that Tom had to be coached to lighten up on his own teammates in defensive drills, because he was so fierce and good at defending that his J20 Coach at Rogel didn’t want Tom breaking the spirit of his offensive players.

 

Yup.

 

Yup.

 

Yup.

 

Yup.

 

Yup.

 

Yup.

 

Etc…

 

Never has the Canucks ever drafted a guy like this in the first round.

 

Never has the Canucks ever had such a smart and fierce defensive prospect in our entire history.

 

Matty Ohlund pre eye injury?

 

Elder with way more Moxie and Mojo and less goofy breakdowns and a RHD?

 

The Canucks were drafting a player for Quinn Hughes.

 

Full Stop.

 

This was their guy.

 

No doubt and they got their guy.

 

Specifically for Quinn Hughes and this prospect is taking the College Path instead of staying in Sweden.

 

Is this the next brainiac defender that has the size and physicality that Tanev never did, but equal skating and game speed intelligence that may rival Petey but without the puck?

 

Look at pictures of Nick Lidstrom and look at his focus and stare.

 

Miro Heiskanen has that same laser focus and I think Tom Willander has signs of it in his eyes too.

 

One of the subtle but un thought of aspects of a Nick Lidstrom’s effect on the Red Wings dynasty wasn’t in games.

 

It was in practice.

 

You had to beat Nick Lidstrom and Chris Chelios in drills to make the cut.

 

Then game day your playing other defenders not named Nick Lidstrom and or Chris Chelios…

 

If Tom can bring his compete to a Rick Tockett and Adam Foote practice, how much better could Tom make our own players?

 

Couldn’t hurt to make defensive practices way harder for our amazing forwards as a push?

 

 

I like the compete and pushback, but it did hurt him at points during his season at rogle on the defensive side in gap control. Thing I do like about him though is that he is super elite in the puck retrieval battles. Better then reinbacher and almost as good as simashev. It shows to me that the kid has outstanding hockey iq.

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16 hours ago, R3aL said:

He’s got the full package 

 

after next season everyone will be super excited even the draft benson omg camp

Well I'm not the draft Benson camp. 

 

I'm stoked on the Willander pick. I also have the same vibes as the Juolevi pick though desperate for a D and kinda feel like we reached beyond what was reasonable. 

 

I'm not going to be a wet blanket though I got behind the Juolevi pick and I'll be behind this one. Damn excited we got the best D on the board. OMG though if But turns into the next big thing. 

 

I am in full trust mode right now it feels like our staff our beaming about this pick so Im in full belief mode that they have done their diligence. We stole Willander. 

 

 

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9 hours ago, Dazzle said:

The narrative about "blowing" top 10 pick is a strange one. Virtanen, yes, was a reach that didn't pan out. Juolevi WAS listed on scouts' lists in the top 10 and so was Podkolzin.

Our problem hasn't been drafting it's been rushing players and stunting their development 

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We just got the best dman in the draft. Had him 5th overall. He is a Heiskanen/Makar hybrid. If his offense pops next year we have another Franchise defender to go along Quinn Hughes.

 

Lekkerimaki/Pettersson/Willander/Brzustewiczis just an outsanding haul to get where we got them. Had Lekkerimaki 8th overall last year and we got him at 15.

 

Such a far cry from the dim jim days. We have very good management now. One more year drafting 8th-12th and this team will take off the following year. Hopefully we can grab Sam dickenson next draft.

 

Kuzmenko - Pettersson - Lekkerimaki

Podkolzin - Miller - Boeser

Hoglander - Raty - Mikheyev 

Joshua - Aman - Klimovich

 

Hughes - Willander

Dickenson - Hronek

Pettersson - Brzustewicz 

 

Demko

Silovs

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1 hour ago, R.Dahlin26 said:

We just got the best dman in the draft. Had him 5th overall. He is a Heiskanen/Makar hybrid. If his offense pops next year we have another Franchise defender to go along Quinn Hughes.

 

Lekkerimaki/Pettersson/Willander/Brzustewiczis just an outsanding haul to get where we got them. Had Lekkerimaki 8th overall last year and we got him at 15.

 

Such a far cry from the dim jim days. We have very good management now. One more year drafting 8th-12th and this team will take off the following year. Hopefully we can grab Sam dickenson next draft.

 

Kuzmenko - Pettersson - Lekkerimaki

Podkolzin - Miller - Boeser

Hoglander - Raty - Mikheyev 

Joshua - Aman - Klimovich

 

Hughes - Willander

Dickenson - Hronek

Pettersson - Brzustewicz 

 

Demko

Silovs

Sedin Sedin Jenson 

Hansen Kelser Schroeder

Rodin Gaunce Prab Rai

 

Plan the parade

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3 hours ago, R.Dahlin26 said:

We just got the best dman in the draft. Had him 5th overall. He is a Heiskanen/Makar hybrid. If his offense pops next year we have another Franchise defender to go along Quinn Hughes.

 

Lekkerimaki/Pettersson/Willander/Brzustewiczis just an outsanding haul to get where we got them. Had Lekkerimaki 8th overall last year and we got him at 15.

 

Such a far cry from the dim jim days. We have very good management now. One more year drafting 8th-12th and this team will take off the following year. Hopefully we can grab Sam dickenson next draft.

 

Kuzmenko - Pettersson - Lekkerimaki

Podkolzin - Miller - Boeser

Hoglander - Raty - Mikheyev 

Joshua - Aman - Klimovich

 

Hughes - Willander

Dickenson - Hronek

Pettersson - Brzustewicz 

 

Demko

Silovs

I'd like to think we end up drafting 20+ next year but we'll see. As for the future, it is a bit exciting, who knows which prospects will pan out or not. Johansson in the AHL could really be an NHL guy sooner rather than later too. I think in 2-3 years, we'll see a team like this:

 

Mikheyev - Pettersson - Lekkerimaki

Kuzmenko - Miller - Podkolzin

Hoglander - Raty - Garland

Joshua - Aman - ?

 

Hughes - Willander

Soucy - Hronek

Hirose - Johansson

Rathbone?

Pettersson?

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On 7/1/2023 at 2:37 PM, hammertime said:

re posting

 

With the complete benefit of hindsight I still can't make up my mind.

 

Round 1

Pick 11: PWF Daniil But/ Happy with Willander would have gone But though

 

Round 3

Pick 75: W Juraj Pekarcik/ Hunter was a great pick but I've been hoping for Pekarcik all year I would have taken him.

Pick 89: LD Artu Karki/ LD Terrell Goldsmith probably the scariest dude in the draft those hands are grenades. 

 

Round 4

Pick 105: RD Cam Allen/ RD Bogdan Konyushkov

Pick 107: C Luca Pinelli/ LW Alex Ciernik

Pick 119: RD Arem Minnetian/ RD Carter Sotheran

 

There were 4 really good RD available to us in the 4th and 2 home run dinger fwds

 

Round 6

Pick 171: C Zeb Forsfjall/ LD Kristian Kostadinski/ LD Oskar Asplund/ LW Emil Jarventie 

Some incredible value picks still on the board all of these guys I would have been thrilled with in the 3rd/4th. 

 

I don't hate how the draft went I think our 4th and beyond was very questionable but having a tantrum about 4ths is silly.  

The world is full of opinions and that’s what the CDC is for.

 

Not questioning the opinions the analysts and the scouts and media.

 

The Nucks have made some doozy picks in their history with some of the best draft mistakes in league history and some of the longest runs of failed picks that it will never ever leave the franchise.

 

I bet when this team wins the cup, the first thing the media will mention is the long history of failure before saying congratulations on the win…

 

It is what it is…

 

Now look at McCann, a really great pick, and a Kessler type Center, which was a good pick, 

 

But our Uber sensitive fan base felt slightly per somehow with his stoic attitude at the draft.

 

Like a girl who asks you if you like her dress and you say ‘yeah, okay, good’ and your not getting any love that night, no matter what you were thinking about in your head.

 

Drafts are weird and apparently this draft was held in a Bar called Tootsies, because other than Beddard, all the media and staff could talk about was getting loaded at tootsies which teenagers and their parents trying to have their best day ever.

 

Carey Price was at Tootsies for sure….

 

The entire draft floor was still loaded…?

 

it was the drunkest draft ever and it’s quite possible that our staff went over board after getting their coveted player at the 11th spot when they had him as the best defender in the draft.

 

Ala Hughes for the staff.

 

and then to Get Brewskie, in the 3rd round, and a solid 3 rounder in my Opinion in the 3 rd after Brewskie…


You know that is what our staff was drinking too the night before, 

 

First Willander and and for the secret double double, they likely made their hope to land a kid named ‘Brewskie’ to anyone that cannot spell his name in the future… at Tootsies as a joke and it happened.

 

I has hoped that we would draft Mania, a legit name in the all Name Draft Series, like possibly the best name ever in a draft, 

 

He is a D man and with our Bi Polar Fan Base, he would be an ideal prospect to discuss on the CDC.

 

Hows Mania doing..?

 

But after the 3rd I think the team went a bit wild and I am not sure if Todd Harvey wasn’t still buzzed at his post draft interview.

 

Pretty sure all the Biofuel bottles weren’t filled with a sports drink at the tables…

 

So it’s possibly the format and or formula that Pits used in its drafting with the likes of Malkin and Crosby and Letang and Fluery as the core to build players around and then sell those added value players off as draft capital and to acquire other better prospects like Rutherford did to us a few times making Bonino look all star level briefly and gee whiz that whole Forsling debacle bend over for a failed prospect was wild….

 

and we did to them with Naslund a long time ago.

 

The fact that Size and long term development was a factor in all picks beyond the 3rd and the local boy going to BU with Willander on the LD side and the older brother of the likely 1st OA next year and another local kid and Italian,

 

You know Aqua man is going to want to somehow get Celebrini, that taking the brother and project D man in the 6th round is a no brainer when the club lacks a 7th rounder and no one is trading lower picks for a higher one in this draft…

 

Cause they were all loaded?

 

CDC 

 

You decide…

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, stawns said:

I feel like you posted that at 2am, from Tootsies

I wish…

 

I will totally go to Vegas and report all…

 

Former Bartender at the a local near you, and a medic and a guy that has closed down places and still made it thru the next day a bit buzzed until the caffeine kicked in.

 

Everyone was still glowing and buzzed just a bit more than in other drafts I remember…

 

The only people who weren’t talking about Tootsies were the kids drafted…

 

What a fantastic example for all the kiddies watching at home…

 

Next year it’s VEGAS BABY!

 

I can’t tell if it’s going to be the Hangover 4 draft or Casino… but it’s going to have lots of strippers… I wonder if any one will mess up and invite a few into the draft to hang out and watch…

 

If it happens in Vegas it stays in Vegas…

 

Yeah Baby!

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7 hours ago, stawns said:

I feel like you posted that at 2am, from Tootsies

I may have been a bit buzzed…

 

but no where as much as the Nucks scouts after round 3…
 

 

Hey am I right or am I right…?

 

I am hear all week folks…

 

 

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On 7/1/2023 at 3:12 PM, hammertime said:

I am and have. Part of that process is putting it down in writing. 

 

I'm thrilled we added 2 RHD 

Hammer time…

 

that’s for PTSD…

 

not the Canucks Drafting….

 

Oh, wait….

 

 Keep writing, and don’t let up until you can stop hearing the footsteps of past drafts…

 

The anxiety and or reason to doubt is ridiculously valid, especially when this team drafts a defence and with the first over all pick..,

 

Go knock on wood three times…

 

Now I am anxious and oh, shit….

 

How long until we hear this on the CDC….

 

’He hasn’t signed yet, he’s is going to take the college opt out path and sign somewhere not here….!’

 

I hope we never do, but it’s the CDC..,

 

I think this kid is legit and after the 3 rd, I have zero idea what they were thinking, thus Tootsie’s is my theory…

 

it’s at least funny as f#$k
 

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