BC_Hawk Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, stawns said: he's got many gifts, but his shot is barely NHL level, if it is at all, and his defense, though improving, is average at best. He's not irreplaceable and the return for him would be pretty big Yes; he’s not Makar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 10 minutes ago, Kevin Biestra said: Three top notch pieces? Coffey once got Craig Simpson, once got Shanahan and a couple times got a mixed bag of stuff...all in his prime. And that was before the cap. Like I said, Subban and Weber got each other. I think the Canucks can acquire a Huddy or Lowe type to play with Quinn and allow him to Housley / Coffey his way into the stratosphere and get that for forwards. We're talking about an Adam Foote type or and Edler or Tanev from younger days maybe. Excellent defensemen but available for less than a king's ransom and sometimes as free agents (the exact way we lost everyone from Willie Mitchell to Tanev and so on). time to upgrade from EA Sports NHL 93 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, Locke Lamora said: This trade Hughes talk makes me uneasy after waiting 50 years to have a D man with his sort of abilities. He's not even in my top 3 Canucks dmen yet. I value a lot more than offense 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Lamora Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Just now, stawns said: He's not even in my top 3 Canucks dmen yet. I value a lot more than offense I get that. But when he has some god given talents in terms of skating and vision these other aspects can be added or improved over time. His career has really just started. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 14 minutes ago, Kevin Biestra said: Three top notch pieces? Coffey once got Craig Simpson, once got Shanahan and a couple times got a mixed bag of stuff...all in his prime. And that was before the cap. Like I said, Subban and Weber got each other. I think the Canucks can acquire a Huddy or Lowe type to play with Quinn and allow him to Housley / Coffey his way into the stratosphere and get that for forwards. We're talking about an Adam Foote type or and Edler or Tanev from younger days maybe. Excellent defensemen but available for less than a king's ransom and sometimes as free agents (the exact way we lost everyone from Willie Mitchell to Tanev and so on). none of the trades that have to happen are going to be easy to make Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, BC_Hawk said: Yes; he’s not Makar Hughes is more offensively gifted than Makar, but lacks the physical dynamic (attacking with puck on stick and checking) that Makar brings. Then Makar can play that way b3cause he has Toews for a partner. If we kept ?Tanev, Quinn would be far more offensively minded in five on five play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 1 minute ago, Locke Lamora said: I get that. But when he has some god given talents in terms of skating and vision these other aspects can be added or improved over time. His career has really just started. I agree, but for me, it's him or Petey. They need a big, lopsided trade heavily in their favour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 1 minute ago, Locke Lamora said: I get that. But when he has some god given talents in terms of skating and vision these other aspects can be added or improved over time. His career has really just started. Yup. But like Makar these gifted (but smaller) D need the right partner to excel. We need Tanev back. Stupid Benning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 1 hour ago, stawns said: To really make it work, I think one of Petey or Hughes would have to go. They really need a lopsided to deal to make a big step forward instead of a lateral move Thats where the return would be greatest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Just now, spook007 said: Thats where the return would be greatest. yup........most of the pther moves that have to be made will be lateral moves. They need a big one to take a significant step forward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlie Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 30 minutes ago, Canucks Curse said: I bet the if DET was offering up Zadina without a cap dump for Brock, the trade would be done but now Interesting how we overvalue many of our prospects, yet undervalue so many veterans. Here's an Oilers "pundit's" take on Boeser ..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Just now, Googlie said: Interesting how we overvalue many of our prospects, yet undervalue so many veterans. Here's an Oilers "pundit's" take on Boeser ..... I think Boeser is playing well enough to birng back a solid #4-5 dman or legit 3C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, Googlie said: Interesting how we overvalue many of our prospects, yet undervalue so many veterans. Here's an Oilers "pundit's" take on Boeser ..... Would the Soilers do Boeser for Evean Bouchard and a cap dump? Bouchard has struggled a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 13 minutes ago, stawns said: time to upgrade from EA Sports NHL 93 Okay well you are welcome to offer better comparables in terms of skillset and upside to Hughes than the ones I cited, and then also offer what they were traded for as context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Bratt, Boqvist, Bahl, Daws, 2 1sts, 2 2nds? Sold 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, Alflives said: Would the Soilers do Boeser for Evean Bouchard and a cap dump? Bouchard has struggled a lot. Would we want Bouchard? Not really the type of Dman we need. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, Muttley said: Can't help thinking Quinn Hughes is still recovering from an injury which is still affecting him but it's a situation whereas playing isn't going to make it worse or endanger anything but is affecting his overall game. Sure doesn't look the same as previous years. And yet he has a chance of leading the league in assists and breaking Henrik's record. More is required of Hughes...including maybe getting him a Shooter Tutor...but the guy is already a rare breed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey Castiglione Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, Googlie said: Interesting how we overvalue many of our prospects, yet undervalue so many veterans. Here's an Oilers "pundit's" take on Boeser ..... I was thinking that Brock would look good on the Oilers. McDavid, Drai, RNH. He'll get set up anywhere he plays on that roster and the space those guys will create for him he'll have lot's of opportunity to get his shot off. The caveat is that both teams have no cap space so it'll be hard for the Oilers to make room for Brock. I'd take the 1st from the Oilers and run if they can find the cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 8 minutes ago, stawns said: yup........most of the pther moves that have to be made will be lateral moves. They need a big one to take a significant step forward. Agree... I said it earlier... the players with real value just now is Bo, Petey and QH.., ( Petey and QH probably highest die to their age)... After that, value goes down for our players... from medio return to no return ie lateral moves as you say. Only gain may be some cap space... So if they really wanna shake it up likely 1 of the 3 above is involved... and then some lateral moves meeded as well... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Googlie said: Colliton is very high on his Brisebois-Juulsen pairing. His #1 pair, and top defensive unit (watch his most recent interview). Wolanin vies with Rathbone as his top offensive D-men. (And neither Brisebois nor Juulsen looked out of place for the 2 games each was called up for (didn't play toether, ofc ... one with OEL and the other with Myers, in different games). As both were emergency injury callups, neither could stay. If only.... that would be heaven sent for this team, but it does look like another bottom pairing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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