Gawdzukes Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, myre said: In my opinion, this should never be the thought process of a rebuilding team. I understand there is the human side of everything, however this is a perfect opportunity to load the gun with another bullet. Yeah it's a business and smart decisions need to be made. People are acting like they're sending him off to fight in the front lines or something. Geez lol. Surely he's not the first spouse that still has to head off to work again amidst a pregnancy. I'm sure whatever team he goes to gives him a couple days off anyway. We need to capitalize on expiring UFA's like any smart team. ... for once. These are the exact types of non-moves that have us mired in this mess in the first place. Edited February 23, 2023 by Gawdzukes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 25 minutes ago, Mike Vanderhoek said: But it could very well make a difference, Edler, Marchand, Letang, Killorn, Quick, Parayko, Trochek..........all selected in the third round. Cole Cassels also selected in the third round too haha. Point is, - another fantastic player drafted in the third round - whether you like what the team is doing or not or have confidence or no confidence in management there is always a possibility a third rounder can turn into an NHLer. Couldn't resist that correction brother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyu Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 58 minutes ago, Slegr said: I question whether a second round pick is really worth making this move. Schenn wants to be here. He costs so little and can mentor incoming defencemen. If we move him now, just as his new baby is entering this world, he won't be wanting to rejoin this group in the fall. It'll be a burned bridge rather than a mentoring bridge and steady, hard-nosed defenseman for good value, all for what's likely to be a late second round pick that may never materialize into anything. While i agree 100%, i bet he gets moved for a second rounder… They should set the price high. I’m hoping it’s for Boston’s first and they bounce out in the first round. And Schenn re-signs with us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyGuy123 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, jyu said: While i agree 100%, i bet he gets moved for a second rounder… They should set the price high. I’m hoping it’s for Boston’s first and they bounce out in the first round. And Schenn re-signs with us. Ideal scenario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyGuy123 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 I can see it playing out that we take a Cap dump back with Schenn and get the return bumped up to a late 1st or help that team retain a part of a salary in another deal as a handshake agreement. You can weaponize Cap space in a Schenn return because only contenders are after him and we have the LTIR to do so. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myre Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 hour ago, stawns said: A late 3rd isn't going to make a hill of sh!t of difference in whatever kind of rebuild/retool they're going for here, outside of currency. A late 2nd would be a similar scenario. I believe we were talking about a second rounder. 38 minutes ago, Mike Vanderhoek said: But it could very well make a difference, Edler, Marchand, Letang, Killorn, Quick, Parayko, Trochek..........all selected in the third round. Cole Cassels also selected in the third round too haha. Point is, whether you like what the team is doing or not or have confidence or no confidence in management there is always a possibility a third rounder can turn into an NHLer. Well said! 30 minutes ago, stawns said: The odds are not ever in our favour. A handful of players in the hundreds or thousands of misses doesn't change that. Further to that a player taken in this rounds is 5 years out if they do happen to beat the odds to get to the NHL So we have better odds rebuilding our team by keeping him? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myre Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 20 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: Yeah it's a business and smart decisions need to be made. People are acting like they're sending him off fight in the front lines or something. Geez lol. Surely he's not the first spouse that still has to head off to work again amidst a pregnancy. I'm sure whatever team he goes to gives him a couple days off anyway. We need to capitalize on expiring UFA's like any smart team. ... for once. These are the exact types of non-moves that have us mired in this mess in the first place. Absolutely! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, myre said: I believe we were talking about a second rounder. Well said! So we have better odds rebuilding our team by keeping him? A late 2nd rounder, so not much difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyGuy123 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 minute ago, stawns said: A late 2nd rounder, so not much difference It’s not true, 32 draft positions is a huge difference in value. Raty was a a player projected to go first round and fell to a late 2nd rounder at 52 overall, you might get lucky and snatch a faller you had at 30-40th. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Nicklas Bo Hunter said: Heard allvin is targeting pierre oliver jospeph out of pit. Might need to take a bad contract to get it to fit his value I would be impressed if management can pull that off. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myre Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, stawns said: A late 2nd rounder, so not much difference My opinion, there's a significant difference between a late second and a late third. Also, I can think of the top of my head of a couple franchise defenseman from the second round so I think they can help turn an organization around just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, KyGuy123 said: It’s not true, 32 draft positions is a huge difference in value. Raty was a a player projected to go first round and fell to a late 2nd rounder at 52 overall, you might get lucky and snatch a faller you had at 30-40th. And that player would still be 5 years out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myre Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, KyGuy123 said: It’s not true, 32 draft positions is a huge difference in value. Raty was a a player projected to go first round and fell to a late 2nd rounder at 52 overall, you might get lucky and snatch a faller you had at 30-40th. I feel like that Russian the next kovalev will fall significantly. Probably a top five talent, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him fall into the second round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myre Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 minute ago, stawns said: And that player would still be 5 years out So do you think this is a contending team? In my opinion, you are part of the problem. You will not embrace a rebuild. How many times do you need to miss the playoffs to recognize The team needs to rebuild? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 5 hours ago, stawns said: I'd like them to pressure TO for liljegren or sandin Sadly the Laffs have put too much time to develop Lil and Sandin, and they are finally in the lineup. I don't see them dropping Lil or Sandin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 11 minutes ago, stawns said: A late 2nd rounder, so not much difference So ... I'm really confused here. Does this mean all teams should trade all their picks unless they are top 15 / top 20, or whatever your cutoff is? I can't quite wrap my head around this thinking. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comeback_Kings Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, myre said: So do you think this is a contending team? In my opinion, you are part of the problem. You will not embrace a rebuild. How many times do you need to miss the playoffs to recognize The team needs to rebuild? A rebuild means trading the team's best players, a lot of fans don't want to do that. I think Pettersson has the chance to be the best Canuck of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Gawdzukes said: So ... I'm really confused here. Does this mean all teams should trade all their picks unless they are top 15 / top 20, or whatever your cutoff is? I can't quite wrap my head around this thinking. It just means you need better scouts. Nashville has a 7th round pick playing for them right now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, myre said: So do you think this is a contending team? In my opinion, you are part of the problem. You will not embrace a rebuild. How many times do you need to miss the playoffs to recognize The team needs to rebuild? I'm part of the problem? I'm a person on an internet discussion board 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: So ... I'm really confused here. Does this mean all teams should trade all their picks unless they are top 15 / top 20, or whatever your cutoff is? I can't quite wrap my head around this thinking. If you make smart trades, trading picks is a good plan and a plan that every team uses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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