AnotherCanucksFan Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 (edited) You have to go back to 1990-91 season to find a comparable SV%. We have an .881 in 2022 and were .867 in 1990. Consider that the league average was .884 Our record that year? Record: 28-43-9 (65 points) Trevor Lindon was 20 that year! We had Kirk McLean in goal who was 24. The very next year team improved by 30 points with the addition of Pavel Bure who was only 20. Record: 42-26-12 (96 points), Finished 1st in NHL Smythe Division. Our SV% was .867 but the league average was .884. Goals For: 285 (11th of 22) - There were only 22 team in the 90s - while now there are 10 more teams. The quality generally was higher because less teams to play on. Consider in 2021 our Goals For: 151 (24th of 31) or 134 goals less than in 1991! In 2021 our SV% was .912 and the league average was .902 - in other words we had exceptional goal tending, which covered up a lot of our flaws. This year our SV% is .881 but currently the league is .899 One of the reasons we had such a big turnaround last year was our PK and overall defense - Goals Against: 236 (8th of 32) while this year our defense in the PK and in general is 29th Goals For: 97 (4th of 32), Goals Against: 106 (30th of 32) Boston has 50 goals scored on them than us. So why the disparity of our offensive ranking vs our defensive ranking? System? Dmen? Lost coverage? A And why have we gone from 18th in scoring last year to 4th this year while going from 8th in goals allowed to 30th? Why such a dramatic reversal? And the magic year that the Canucks have tried to get back to 11 years later. Some stats from the 2010-11 Vancouver Canucks Goals For: 262 (1st of 30), Goals Against: 185 (1st of 30) SV% .927 PK% 85.58 PP 24.32 Edited December 8, 2022 by AnotherCanucksFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 37 minutes ago, Alflives said: Guys on 650 saying an OEL buyout after this season isn’t too bad. Cap cost for next season is less than 1 mil. And then it’s 2 mil per season for 8 years. Not great, but does clear money for Bo and Kuz Missile. An OEL buyout frees up $7 million next year. Enough to sign everyone really, especially if we ca trade Boeser as well. Only thing is that $2 million we be on the books for several years. But at the end of the day it may be the only way out of his contract as he won't agree to a trade anywhere else and Boston doesn't want him... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckpuckluck1 Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 3 hours ago, Angry Goose said: Defense is overrated Defense....what is that? The Canucks are yet to offer any all season. In nearly 50% of their games they have conceded 5 goals or more! I don't think i've ever seen a Canucks team so utterly incapable of showing any defensive ability what so ever. If management (trades) or coaching is able to get this team to allow 2 goals or less per game then look out, they could really cause some issues for teams in the playoffs. Currently this team would get eaten alive in the playoffs but miracles do happen. Maybe Santa will bring us some defensive aptitude...or maybe some real defensemen. How long til Christmas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 (edited) Canuck fans. This is 80's hockey again. I've missed it. Maybe i shouldn't have so much lol. Sure nice to see a bunch of different guys score though. Who needs defense, when we can score goals like this. Horvat ... good grief, get on the scoreboard already - i'm expecting a tip in every game now! Brock what the heck. Score a couple goals already. Edited December 8, 2022 by IBatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerofaith Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 2 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: The '80s called, they want their high-scoring games back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, canuckpuckluck1 said: Defense....what is that? The Canucks are yet to offer any all season. In nearly 50% of their games they have conceded 5 goals or more! I don't think i've ever seen a Canucks team so utterly incapable of showing any defensive ability what so ever. If management (trades) or coaching is able to get this team to allow 2 goals or less per game then look out, they could really cause some issues for teams in the playoffs. Currently this team would get eaten alive in the playoffs but miracles do happen. Maybe Santa will bring us some defensive aptitude...or maybe some real defensemen. How long til Christmas? Gretzky scored more goals against Richard Broduer than any other goalie. I've seen a lot worse lol. Back then if you conceded less than 300 goals you did alright lol. We are on pace for a garden variety, 315 goals against this season. And around 300 goals for. On that note, both the Sedin and WCE era never broke 300...we are on pace to pass both. Actually on pace to score 300 for the first time in decades. As for defense. Playing against EDM and CAL and even LA ... well the Smythe division was the highest scoring one by a large margin. In 1984-1985 we allowed 401 goals against in 80 games lol. Average of 5 a game. Makes some sense given EDM scored well over 400 five or so years in a row (only team to ever break 400, MTL i think managed 399 or something one year very close) ... Our 80's teams also outscored anything the WCE or Sedin era managed. Sure nice to have depth and less AHLers playing in the league wasn't it? 272 goals for was the Sedin era's high water mark. 264 the WCE era. Last time we broke 300 Goals For was 1993. Yikes! Less then 300 in the 70's-1994, the last year before the dead puck era definitively started (lock out, and i have mags from 92, 93 that have stars complaining about the extra holding and tripping etc ... it already has seeping into the game, Mario, Gretzky, Hull, Roenick etc we're all variously vocal about it, especially Mario and Hull).... I've waited for decades to enjoy 5-4 games regularly again. Couldn't be happier about that (because we are winning them ... and because well those blown leads never should have happened ... a crappy what if ... 14 points more and we'd be considered a very good team despite those defensive flaws and bad/mediocre goaltending). Hockey is way more fun, when goals are scored. 2-1 games ... no teams breaking 300 .. that was some truly terrible hockey back then. Teams were so diluted in talent they had to remove the redline, one extra pass. And put the cameras on a better swivel lol. Only thing we are missing is that big brother or two that can also play the game on each team. And a power forward or two on each team as well. Then we've got the product right back to where it should be. Gadjovich scoring last night was karma. Edited December 8, 2022 by IBatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 (edited) SV% this year: Jacob Markstrom - .889 Thatcher Demko - .885 Markstrom is just as bad as Demko this year. Edited December 8, 2022 by Elias Pettersson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerofaith Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 No postgame from Bruce? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 (edited) Spoiler As per the current state of the NHL. This year .19 fights per game...back in the WCE era it was .65ish... it's getting close to less then 100 guys who drop the mitts at least once despite the league almost doubling in size since the WHA joined. ... used to be over 200 did just in the pre-season lol. Sure scoring may be up, but that's one element of the game that has disappeared. Players used to fight to help them get into the league. Who wouldn't to get those fat pay-cheques. Even a bottom level contract in the 80's could buy a modest home in Victoria or the lower mainland. Now Schenn can't lol. He's a beaut. Pay the guy. Scoring may be up but we are still missing those power forwards and big brothers that could play the game and scare the crap out of players from hurting their stars. There is a reason why Patrick Marroon, Schenn, and Reaves become trade targets and desirable come the post season. Manson would have been the perfect medium long term solution go QHs ... Schenn is for sure a good stop-gap. Enjoy these games! What a rush. Just need some fights to make it even more entertaining. We could use a good scrapper or two, that can also play the game. Edited December 8, 2022 by IBatch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 Wonderful! 3 OT winning streak! Petey and Kuz were great. The 4th line was the engine. Martin need to gain confidence. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Alflives said: Guys on 650 saying an OEL buyout after this season isn’t too bad. Cap cost for next season is less than 1 mil. And then it’s 2 mil per season for 8 years. Not great, but does clear money for Bo and Kuz Missile. Thanks for the meme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 1 hour ago, mordekai said: Since you like to use advance stats here is one from Dom. He uses GVSA positive value is good and negative is bad gudbranson at the second worse in the NHL min 10games at -0.9 look at where Quinn Oel are Who's at the top of the list? Could you send the link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrwipeout Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 59 minutes ago, Crimson-JH said: hmm...hintz....he got that 8 year 67.6 million contract and is 26 y old....is he really worth it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mordekai Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, IBatch said: Who's at the top of the list? Could you send the link? Is paid wall https://theathletic.com/3894138/2022/12/05/2022-23-nhl-gsva-leaderboard/?source=user_shared_article But attaching screenshot of top defenders His definition of GVSA is based on the following: GSVA – a catch-all stat that incorporates a player’s production and play-driving while accounting for usage. Edited December 8, 2022 by mordekai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougieL Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Viper007 said: @mordekai knows that. He's quoting what dougieL said. I didn't say that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougieL Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Viper007 said: You will have others disagreeing with you about wanting Nurse over OEL. Nurse is overpaid, and dirty. If OEL was on the Oilers, he'd have twice as many points. Edmonton has 97 goals in 30 games played. Canucks have 97 goals in 27 games played. How do you arrive at this claim? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 Well another sloppy played game but we get the win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 The Cardiac Kids. Poor Bruce’s Heart, and Rutherford looks like he is having a stroke each game. These kids are ‘hectic’ and Martin has a backups mindset. If he could iron out his kinks with Clark, it would be helpful, but I think fatigue will be a factor for him over the next stretch. With guys like Pettersson and Hughes and Horvat and Miller and Kuzmenko and Dakota Joshua, your never out of a game totally. The psychology of winning will be very helpful, if this tram can win or go .500 thru the next five games. But the clear need for a Grant Fuhr like goalie that can shut the door in the last five minutes of a 5-6 game is so clear. This team is overloaded at wing and needs to move Brock and I would take almost any deal that brings back a decent top 60 pick and a cap dump expiring contract. This gives the club the ability to resign Bo. With other dead money coming off the books, any expiring contract for Brock is a win. The need for a top 4 RHD is so clear after the last few games. Petey is ice cold, and with space in OT, it’s almost unfair to give him the puck on the off side. For all the haters of Management out there. Dakota Joshua was a fantastic signing. The two Russian wingers… sorry can’t spell all that well… This team can come back, can’t hold a lead, but it can trade shots and goals. the next five game stretch… this is the tempering and if the team is overwhelmed, the deals will follow. But if they can play a competitive game and win, it may be enough to re cast the team psychology as winning is a wonderful boost. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldFaithfulCap Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 (edited) Tired but canucks win> tired and loss. We're like the austin powers. All about the scoring but we get bored and lose our mojo. Plenty of grooviness. the defensive effort Edited December 8, 2022 by OldFaithfulCap ap 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 Canucks army have taken to calling this the cocaine bear era of the Canucks which seems about perfect. Missed this one, looked crazy in the highlights. How was Studnicka at third line centre? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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