[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Calgary Flames | Dec. 14, 2022

[Junkyard Dog]

Just now, Elias Pettersson said:

Was Kuzmenko guaranteed a spot on the top line with Petey and PP1 duties from day one?  I don't think so.  Boeser was supposed to be the guy on PP1 going into the season.  So there was no guarantee Kuzmenko would have gotten that spot.

 

Even if Kuzmenko is playing on Edmonton's second line he is still a PPG player.  And now with Kane's injury he would have been used more.  Injuries do happen.  In any event, Edmonton was just one example.  He had many teams chasing him so to suggest that Vancouver was the only place that would guarantee him top minutes and PP1 time is false.  Boeser's failure to play at a high level this year is what pushed Kuzmenko into that PP1 role and he's never let it go other than a couple games to showcase Boeser.

 

No but he didn't have to compete with the likes of Hyman or Kane or RNH to get to PP1. 

 

He isn't a ppg player there even on the 2nd line. RNH is only a ppg player because he is on PP1. There's a big difference in talent between RNH and Petey. He won't ever get on PP1 because of the depth they have there. Kane barely gets on PP1 since he's fighting with Hyman for that final spot. 

 

Vancouver afforded him the best opportunity to play with either Miller, Horvat or Petey consistently. How many teams in the league could offer you the chance of playing with three seperate 30 goal scoring centers?

[Googlie]

5 hours ago, eeeeergh said:

OEL has been great in the o-zone 

And has looked better beside Bear, in my opinion 

He looks good beside any animal other than a giraffe

[grandmaster]

22 minutes ago, mordekai said:

He definitely did a lot of that last year but he is also doing a lot of poor passes and lazy backcheck and line change. Surely you saw the drive by hit he did last night then he proceeded to the bench meanwhile flames went on a rush 4 on 2. He was the third guy back but went to the bench. That is what annoys the heck out of me 

Yeah I saw that but don’t forget he was one of the fastest players on our team last year. He has got to be injured, like I said many times over. He is going about half speed, that’s obvious. It’s not about being lazy. And don’t go there about the passing. We have a lot of our top guys with poor passing moments. 
 

Miller at 80% is still productive on this team. He is physically engaged, quarterbacks our PP and remains as a very good playmaker. 
 

My thoughts are whatever injury he is dealing with is not only is hampering his play driving ability/end to end rushes, but also his ability to effectively win draws too (another reason why he has been relegated to the wing).

[Angry Goose]

6 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

Maybe he doesn't. That is why someone who is concerned with the bottom line is more focused on the worst case instead of the hopeful case.

Isnt that already implied in the discussion/my comment? It was an empirical counter point-both points have already been made.

[Fanuck]

1 hour ago, SilentSam said:

Not to be a downer, but that would be a much more impressive record if it weren't' for the consensus that the Pac Div is one of the weakest overall in the league. 

[Gawdzukes]

7 minutes ago, Googlie said:

He looks good beside any animal other than a giraffe

That made my day! 

[Gawdzukes]

30 minutes ago, grandmaster said:

Yeah I saw that but don’t forget he was one of the fastest players on our team last year. He has got to be injured, like I said many times over. He is going about half speed, that’s obvious. It’s not about being lazy. And don’t go there about the passing. We have a lot of our top guys with poor passing moments. 
 

Miller at 80% is still productive on this team. He is physically engaged, quarterbacks our PP and remains as a very good playmaker. 
 

My thoughts are whatever injury he is dealing with is not only is hampering his play driving ability/end to end rushes, but also his ability to effectively win draws too (another reason why he has been relegated to the wing).

delusional = 100%

 

 It’s not about being lazy. 

 

It's 100% about being lazy and irresponsible, and being unaccountable to your teammates ...

 

An elite player can get in on the offensive end and play good defence at the same time.

 

What else could it possibly be? He's a grown man. Either he decides to skate back or he doesn't?

Edited December 15, 2022 by Gawdzukes

[Gurn]

Canucks 7-3 in their last 10

Oilers are 7-3 so remain 5 points up, in 4rth for the division, Canucks with a game in hand

L.A. are 4-4-3, 3rd in the division  thus the Canucks have gained 3 points and are only 6 points back-with  3 games in hand

2nd place Seattle went 6-4, Canucks are 6 points back-Kraken with a game in hand

1st place Vegas went 5-5, Canucks gained 4 points and are just 14 points back, with 2 games in hand.

 

Things look a bit better for the 'make the play offs -anything can happen' crowd; esp. Just have to get past Flames, Oil and Kings to get to 3rd.

[Googlie]

2 hours ago, Fan since 82 said:

Is he though? Athletes can be quite arrogant and he might think EP40 is getting all those assists because he (Kuz) has a knack for being in the right place at the right time and is finishing.  

Hard to think that standing by the side of the net with the blade angled, and getting it hit by a puck is an elite skill.   Didn't Semenko, Anson Carter and many others have that same ability?

[grandmaster]

Moore in LA who some say is a comparable to Kuz in age and production just signed 4.2 x 5 years. Don’t know why some posters here think he is a 7M player. 

[Gawdzukes]

14 minutes ago, Angry Goose said:

Isnt that already implied in the discussion/my comment? It was an empirical counter point-both points have already been made.

No I think the important point is that his decision to stay or go (50%) will be made at the season end which is too late to trade him at the TDL. Therefore if he does leave (opposite of Miller but we don't know) we will have missed the opportunity to trade him.

[Googlie]

50 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

There is English, then there is Russian, then there is Kuzmenko.  Similar to Tikkanese...  

Like when Gretzky was asked what they discussed before faceoffs  -  he said "no idea.  I just waited for a pause and said 'OK' "

[Gurn]

8 minutes ago, Googlie said:

 Didn't Semenko, Anson Carter and many others have that same ability?

Semenko had 2, 12 goal seasons as peak and hit 27 points once.

He did however have 194 Pims as a season high

[Googlie]

1 minute ago, Gurn said:

Semenko had 2, 12 goal seasons as peak and hit 27 points once.

He did however have 194 Pims as a season high

Maybe I'm thinking of McSorley 

[Gurn]

5 minutes ago, Googlie said:

Maybe I'm thinking of McSorley 

D man- topped out at 15 goals in a season, had a 41 point season, and a couple that were close to that.

did have 399 pims in a season so he could do that part very, very well.

Edited December 15, 2022 by Gurn

[Angry Goose]

11 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

No I think the important point is that his decision to stay or go (50%) will be made at the season end which is too late to trade him at the TDL. Therefore if he does leave (opposite of Miller but we don't know) we will have missed the opportunity to trade him.

 

I mentioned this in the kuz extension thread but if Milstein is adamant about getting more games played and the Canucks are unsure about the prospect of re-signing him, they could go about trading him.  That’s a

def possibility.  

 

Right now everyone is speculating about what might happen and there are sound reasons for all of it.  To quote @Coconuts

 

45 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

Maybe he doesn't. 

 

Round and round we go. 

 

[Googlie]

3 minutes ago, Gurn said:

D man- topped out at 15 goals in a season, had a 41 point season, and a couple that were close to that.

did have 399 pims in a season so he could do that part very, very well.

He did have seasons of 10, 15, 7, 7 and 15 for his first 5 years with Gretzky and the Kings

 

But, yes, my examples were poor.

 

My intent was to imply that the skill was with the passer (Pettersson, Miller, the Sedins, Gretzky) rather than the the finisher. 

 

Obviously I failed. 

[Gurn]

3 minutes ago, Googlie said:

He did have seasons of 10, 15, 7, 7 and 15 for his first 5 years with Gretzky and the Kings

 

But, yes, my examples were poor.

 

My intent was to imply that the skill was with the passer (Pettersson, Miller, the Sedins, Gretzky) rather than the the finisher. 

 

Obviously I failed. 

 you were likely thinking about this guy.

 

BJ McDonald 

1977-78	Edmonton Oilers	WHA	80	34	34	68	11		5	1	1	2	0
1978-79	Edmonton Oilers	WHA	80	34	37	71	44	35	13	8	10	18	6
1979-80	Edmonton Oilers	NHL	80	46	48	94	6	1	3	0	3	3	0
1980-81	Edmonton Oilers	NHL	51	19	24	43	27	-8	--	--	--	--	--
1980-81	Vancouver Canucks	NHL	12	5	9	14	10	1	3	0	1	1	2
1981-82	Dallas Black Hawks	CHL	3	1	1	2	0		--	--	--	--	--
1981-82	Vancouver Canucks	NHL	59	18	15	33	20	0	3	0	0	0	0
1982-83	Fredericton Express	AHL	60	29	37	66	20		7	2	3	5	2
1982-83	Vancouver Canucks	NHL	17	3	4	7	2	-1	2	0	2	2	0
1983-84	Montana Magic	CHL	4	1	0	1	0		--	--	--	--	--
1985-86	Innsbruck EV	Austria	23	20	18	38	8

 

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[Bure2Win]

Geez every goal against the Canucks Miller is the last one floating into the zone, play some friggin defense man they just gave you 8 mil a year!!!!!.......sigh