Devron Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 I think Canucks nation was banking on those 2 picks to turn into stud players. Bold predictions 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxVerstappen33 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Mando27 said: Detroit wants to compete for the cup, Vancouver wants to compete for the playoffs. That is the difference between the clubs. Yzerman is selling because he doesn't have a Petterson or Hughs. We are an under achieving team with injuries. Detroit is above us in points but isn't under achieving Edited March 4, 2023 by MaxVerstappen33 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Devron said: I think Canucks nation was banking on those 2 picks to turn into stud players. Bold predictions Well yea you should be able to find a stud at 13-18. That’s not that bold. Early 2nd is a little harder to nail but almost every draft has elite players available there. It’s just whether you can hit on them or not. If you trade them away every other year the odds are very low you’ll ever get an impact player there. Edited March 4, 2023 by DeNiro 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Just now, DeNiro said: Well yea you should be able to find a stud at 13-18. That’s not that bold. Early 2nd is a little harder to nail but almost every draft has elite players available there. It’s just whether you can hit on them or not. If you trade then away every other heat the odds are very low you’ll ever get an impact player there. Go back to any draft and see how many misses there are… I would love to have those picks still. The draft is a very exciting time but also we were in desperate need of THREE right handed defencemen. Not one but 3. How do we manage that? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 3 hours ago, Provost said: Where are all the people who were posting “hey, don’t worry… this is just the first of a bunch of things we are doing at the deadline.” It appears we have just put ourselves into more of a cap crunch while quadrupling down on one of the worst rosters in the league. How does subtracting Horvat, adding Hronek, and paying millions more for Miller next year make the team better? I totally agree with this here. The only thing I can think of as an excuse for this management is that Hughes/Pettersson have made it clear that they won't re-sign if the Canucks continue to tank. There's no guarantee that the team will actually do better with Hronek. The Canucks are the only bottom feeding team that gave up a 1st round pick AND its 2nd rounder this deadline, as far as I'm aware. Yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Well yea you should be able to find a stud at 13-18. That’s not that bold. Early 2nd is a little harder to nail but almost every draft has elite players available there. It’s just whether you can hit on them or not. If you trade then away every other heat the odds are very low you’ll ever get an impact player there. I don't know if "should" is a good word for that. More like you can find a stud. Around 13-18 it seems almost a 50/50 split between it working out and not working out. Even if it works out, it's not necessarily a stud either but more of a bottom 6 player or something like that. "Should" implies that it's likely, which it really isn't in my opinion. No GM has a crystal ball at the end of the day. No one does. Just look at each draft day on this forum and how everyone wanted us to draft a different player, etc. And don't even get me started on what happens when injuries happen. Edited March 4, 2023 by The Lock 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awalk Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 31 minutes ago, Canucks Curse said: so both fan bases think they lost the horned trade, lol, well I know DET did. Hronek has top 10 d man in nhl potential That's the first I've seen someone say top 10 in the league potential. What makes you say that? I'd love for that to happen. He has the same number of 5on5 goals as OEL right now, so I'm seeing more of a #3/4 guy, powerplay specialist. But I'd love to be wrong and see him rise into that upper echelon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 13 minutes ago, Alflives said: Hronek’s cap hit is 4.1. But will definitely go up to 6-7 in his next contract. He’s only 25. He’s worth the value paid. It’s whether the timing to add, considering our club’s current standing, is right. But our owner wants to build each year to make the playoffs the next. And we’ve seen the cost of the philosophy to our future. Cap hit is 4.4 actually according to cap friendly. He’s worth the value paid IF he is the player evident before that hit from Reeves. If he’s the player from after the Reeves hit, he goes on the OEL/Poolman/Dermott/Ferland pile of wasted opportunity. As shown in his performance numbers that I gave above in the thread, the player from after that hit is a far cry from the player before that hit. They are two entirely different players, and the player we traded for is the one after the hit. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DeNiro Posted March 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2023 1 minute ago, Devron said: Go back to any draft and see how many misses there are… I would love to have those picks still. The draft is a very exciting time but also we were in desperate need of THREE right handed defencemen. Not one but 3. How do we manage that? Sure every draft has misses that doesn’t mean you trade away all your picks though. What if there’s a Larkin, or a Connor, even a Karlsson there? Those picks are very valuable. What if Reinbacher and Dragicevic are there with those picks? That’s two cost controlled D men that could be ready in three years. Fill in the with short term signings if you have to. Whats done is done though, I just hope Hronek is worth the high cost we paid. 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxVerstappen33 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 22 minutes ago, RWJC said: True, but you still have ppl wishing we could trade for Byram and he’s arguably in an even more dire position. Byram is worth a gamble on. You gotta take risks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awalk Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 21 minutes ago, Mando27 said: Detroit wants to compete for the cup, Vancouver wants to compete for the playoffs. That is the difference between the clubs. Vancouver fans deserve a competitive team again Vs Our singular focus and goal is to compete for the stanley cup and until I think we are ready for that I will not make any buy now moves One could argue the Vancouver message is the same thing just more vaguely stated. I prefer the state it directly approach, myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Face Doom Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Devron said: I think Canucks nation was banking on those 2 picks to turn into stud players. Bold predictions Yup. The odds aren't great. Luckily we have our lottery pick which is all that really matters at this point. We've brought in some nice young low risk talent that enabled us to be able to take a gamble of trading away our mid 1st rounder and 2nd round pick. I still think we should've only gave up 1 but I guess that was the asking price for a young RHD about to enter his prime years. Edited March 4, 2023 by Metal Face Doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Sure every draft has misses that doesn’t mean you trade away all your picks though. What if there’s a Larkin, or a Connor, even a Karlsson there? Those picks are very valuable. What if Reinbacher and Dragicevic are there with those picks? That’s two cost controlled D men that could be ready in three years. Fill in the with short term signings if you have to. Whats done is done though, I just hope Hronek is worth the high cost we paid. The problem is theres a less than 50% chance of the guy you draft making an impact at all, and even a smaller chance that itll work out within 3 years. Especially for a defenseman. If we're looking to contend in 3-4 years (QH/TD/EP window), young recent draftees should be playing minor supporting roles (3rd pair). We know the plan is to contend in our franchise players window. Its an absolute requirement that we have a top-4 RHD thats reliable and fits the age bracket. A bird in the hand and all of that. I think if we got a defenseman as good as Hronek in the 1st round we'd be absolutely stoked. So we basically added a 2nd in as the premium to have the guarantee, rather than rolling the dice. Im fine with that price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, The Lock said: I don't know if "should" is a good word for that. More like you can find a stud. Around 13-18 it seems almost a 50/50 split between it working out and not working out. Even if it works out, it's not necessarily a stud either but more of a bottom 6 player or something like that. "Should" implies that it's likely, which it really isn't in my opinion. No GM has a crystal ball at the end of the day. No one does. Just look at each draft day on this forum and how everyone wanted us to draft a different player, etc. And don't even get me started on what happens when injuries happen. This is supposed to be the deepest draft since 2015. The draft were Connor, Barzal, and Chabot were taken in that range. Sure you might miss but if you don’t have a ticket you can’t have a chance. If you wanna compare teams that regularly trade high picks and ones that keep them and draft players Im pretty confident you’ll find they have more success. Edited March 4, 2023 by DeNiro 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 31 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: That's a great point Max.... What I find really interesting is that he's a 2nd round pick who is an impact player in his 5th season.....over the past few days a lot of people were saying there was no such thing.... Yeah it irks me when a bunch of clueless people keep parroting that draft picks can't play for 5 years. Hronek drafted in 2016 and playing fulltime by 2018. If a draft pick turns out they are hitting the NHL within 2 or 3 years oftentimes. Hoglander, and Pods both saw action immediately. Bunch of hooey. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxVerstappen33 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: Yeah it irks me when a bunch of clueless people keep parroting that draft picks can't play for 5 years. Hronek drafted in 2016 and playing fulltime by 2018. If a draft pick turns out they are hitting the NHL within 2 or 3 years oftentimes. Hoglander, and Pods both saw action immediately. Bunch of hooey. If it turns out to be a Joulevi, we're screwed. Petey/Hughs window closes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awalk Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, eeeeergh said: The problem is theres a less than 50% chance of the guy you draft making an impact at all, and even a smaller chance that itll work out within 3 years. Especially for a defenseman. If we're looking to contend in 3-4 years (QH/TD/EP window), young recent draftees should be playing minor supporting roles (3rd pair). We know the plan is to contend in our franchise players window. Its an absolute requirement that we have a top-4 RHD thats reliable and fits the age bracket. A bird in the hand and all of that. I think if we got a defenseman as good as Hronek in the 1st round we'd be absolutely stoked. So we basically added a 2nd in as the premium to have the guarantee, rather than rolling the dice. Im fine with that price. If we got a d man as good as Hronek in the draft I'd be significantly more stoked because we'd get 3 years of an ELC and then likely a bridge deal like Hronek is on now. We pay the additional 2nd and the relatively much higher cap hit in the immediate for the guarantee. I'd say that'd be a really smart move for a playoff bound team. Not sure I get it when it's the 27th place team doing it. This season hasn't exactly been a 'one off'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 38 minutes ago, Alflives said: There have been a lot of great D come out of round 2. I wish we would add picks in that round. 2nd round picks 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, DeNiro said: This is supposed to be the deepest draft since 2015. The draft were Connor, Barzal, and Chabot were taken in that range. Sure you might miss but if you don’t have a ticket you can’t have a chance. If you wanna compare teams that regularly trade high picks and ones that keep them and draft players Im pretty confident you’ll find they have more success. Supposed to be, yes. Will it? Maybe? I've heard it so many times where such and such draft's supposed to be a strong draft, or even a weak draft, and it just ends up not. Basically, I'll believe it when I see it. Here's the thing about drafting. With your logic of stockpiling on picks and trading them, there are going to be examples of EVERY situation succeeding or failing, or just being mediocre. There has to be more to it than just having draft picks. I'm not saying I wouldn't prefer to have draft picks as I do wish we would keep draft picks at times. I do, however, see that sometimes, if the right player comes along, that can outweigh keeping those draft picks. Draft picks will almost always be a risk at the end of the day. If you pick the wrong player, you get nothing. And virtutally every team at some point will pick the wrong player. I don't care who's the GM. It will happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Face Doom Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) Detroit doesnt have a Petey or Hughes nor a Demko. Big difference. Apples to oranges imo. Edited March 4, 2023 by Metal Face Doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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