Kevin Biestra Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 Just a note that we are having an unusually historic season and all of the following are probably going to happen in the last 1-4 games of the season... Connor McDavid: 150 points: first player to do so in decades Erik Karlsson: 100 points, first defenseman to do so in decades Quinn Hughes: 80 points, first Canucks defenseman to do so ever Sidney Crosby: 1,500th career point All of these are exceptionally rare achievements. 80 points for a defenseman even not a Canuck is still pretty rare. Only about 20 defensemen ever. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 Another one is to see if McDavid can surpass 155 points. Doing so would put him past Yzerman's career high and make him the third name after Gretzky and Lemieux on the single-season highest point totals. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 It makes me curious how the Norris votes pan out. I expect Karlsson to still win it, but who will the nominees be? And I wonder when the voting list comes out, how many Norris votes Hughes got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted April 3, 2023 Author Share Posted April 3, 2023 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Bob.Loblaw said: It makes me curious how the Norris votes pan out. I expect Karlsson to still win it, but who will the nominees be? And I wonder when the voting list comes out, how many Norris votes Hughes got. I think he'll be a finalist. He's lucky...Makar missed a decent number of games and Hedman is having an off year. The only real knocks against Hughes are he doesn't score goals and isn't a physical force. But he won't need goals to get votes if he's 2nd among all D in scoring...he scores so few that it might keep him from winning one...but he has more good news this year with Karlsson's +/-. Basically the stars are aligning for him somewhat and who knows if he'll get a better chance. Edited April 3, 2023 by Kevin Biestra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 Playing on the coast for a losing team will hurt Q in the voting. Karlssom got so many headlines early and all the trade speculation put him in the news a lot so will be more immune to these factors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nucker 67 Posted April 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 3, 2023 Weird, I thought this would be a thread about Petey approaching 100. Karlsson and McDavid can jump in a lake 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 10 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: Weird, I thought this would be a thread about Petey approaching 100. Karlsson and McDavid can jump in a lake I think Karlsson would jump in but McDavid would whine that the water was too cold. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenspear Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 Boston not far off the team record for points either... 132 is the record, Boston sits at 125 with 5 games left. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 3 hours ago, Kevin Biestra said: I think he'll be a finalist. He's lucky...Makar missed a decent number of games and Hedman is having an off year. The only real knocks against Hughes are he doesn't score goals and isn't a physical force. But he won't need goals to get votes if he's 2nd among all D in scoring...he scores so few that it might keep him from winning one...but he has more good news this year with Karlsson's +/-. Basically the stars are aligning for him somewhat and who knows if he'll get a better chance. Sorry - you think Hughes will be top three in Norris nominations? I highly doubt it. The problem with Hughes was that he had a poor first half of the season. He put up points under Boudreau but didn't drive play and didn't defend well. He obviously improved under Tocchet (although it's probably tiring skating 30 mins a game). J.T. Miller was the same way before the coaching change. There's a difference between driving the offense and scoring points. I suspect defenders like Adam Fox and Josh Morrissey will be nominated with Karlsson winning. Dark horse nominees would be... Hamilton, Lindholm, and Makar. They've all had better seasons than Hughes, even if they've scored a couple less points. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 (edited) Glad the leagues trending the way it is. And hope expansion is finally done. Edited April 3, 2023 by IBatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted April 4, 2023 Author Share Posted April 4, 2023 6 hours ago, IBatch said: Glad the leagues trending the way it is. And hope expansion is finally done. It's something to have two defensemen flirt with 100 points back to back. And Hughes and Makar are both just getting rolling. It really could be the start of the old Leetch / MacInnis / Housley / Bourque / post-Oilers Coffey days again. And there are already 17 defensemen with 50 points this year, and two more should reach it. Ten have 60 points and two more should get there. Remember when Pronger and Niedermayer were winning the Norris as top offensive threats from the blueline with 55 points or whatever. Could be on our way back to not only a half dozen top dogs feasting on the opposition but another solid dozen or so guys like Fredrik Olausson / Scott Arniel / Dave Ellett / Kevin Hatcher / Doug Crossman / Tom Kurvers / Jyrki Lumme / Jeff Brown / Steve Chiasson / Calle Johansson etc. putting up respectable numbers as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted April 4, 2023 Author Share Posted April 4, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, Bob.Loblaw said: Sorry - you think Hughes will be top three in Norris nominations? I highly doubt it. The problem with Hughes was that he had a poor first half of the season. He put up points under Boudreau but didn't drive play and didn't defend well. He obviously improved under Tocchet (although it's probably tiring skating 30 mins a game). J.T. Miller was the same way before the coaching change. There's a difference between driving the offense and scoring points. I suspect defenders like Adam Fox and Josh Morrissey will be nominated with Karlsson winning. Dark horse nominees would be... Hamilton, Lindholm, and Makar. They've all had better seasons than Hughes, even if they've scored a couple less points. Hamilton, Morrissey and Karlsson are the only three that don't kill penalties and Hamilton and Morrissey don't have Karlsson's numbers. Quinn Hughes has a good +/- on a crap team. I think that will carry him into the top five and perhaps the top three. He's also the only one of the top four offensive D that kills penalties at all. Edited April 4, 2023 by Kevin Biestra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Kevin Biestra said: Hamilton, Morrissey and Karlsson are the only three that don't kill penalties and Hamilton and Morrissey don't have Karlsson's numbers. Quinn Hughes has a good +/- on a crap team. I think that will carry him into the top five and perhaps the top three. He's also the only one of the top four offensive D that kills penalties at all. I think Hughes will be in the top 5. Same with Petey and the Selke. Petey might also finish in the top 5 for the Lady Byng. My prediction is Hughes finishes in 3rd place, behind Karlsson (1st) and Fox (2nd)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted April 4, 2023 Author Share Posted April 4, 2023 11 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: I think Hughes will be in the top 5. Same with Petey and the Selke. Petey might also finish in the top 5 for the Lady Byng. My prediction is Hughes finishes in 3rd place, behind Karlsson (1st) and Fox (2nd)... If you look at the Vancouver Canucks +/- Pettersson and Hughes look like two mountains surrounded by almost nothing but marshland. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 On 4/3/2023 at 4:15 AM, -AJ- said: Another one is to see if McDavid can surpass 155 points. Doing so would put him past Yzerman's career high and make him the third name after Gretzky and Lemieux on the single-season highest point totals. Pretty awesome. I'm very grateful the younger generations get to bear witness on what McDavid is achieving. After a couple decades of mostly vanilla stars (and nothing wrong with that), the leagues finally got a premier player again, that's a level up. When Mario came back in the dead puck era, and older, and away from hockey for quite awhile at times, he usually proceeded to score at a gaudy pace compared to his peers, or at least pace the best at the time. The last player to do something like this really, was Mario or Jagr. A year ago I compared McDavid to Stastny or Hawerchuk... i'm happy he's proving me wrong. Also hope we haven't seen the best of him yet either. Picking one of Mario's or Gretzky's best seasons isn't easy. Each have a few (Mario's actually isn't his highest scoring season, rather his comeback year from cancer IMO) to choose from. Sure would be nice to see another guy in 3 point per game realm ... just one more time, if anyone can do it, it's McDavid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 12 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: I think Hughes will be in the top 5. Same with Petey and the Selke. Petey might also finish in the top 5 for the Lady Byng. My prediction is Hughes finishes in 3rd place, behind Karlsson (1st) and Fox (2nd)... I think Hughes will get some votes but will still get overlooked by a bunch of voters and end up in the 6-8 range. I think Fox is almost guaranteed to be a finalist again and I wouldn't be surprised if Dahlin is the third. Heiskanen is another dark horse to be a finalist this season. Makar definitely missed too many games but probably still in the top 10. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 12 hours ago, Diamonds said: I think Hughes will get some votes but will still get overlooked by a bunch of voters and end up in the 6-8 range. I think Fox is almost guaranteed to be a finalist again and I wouldn't be surprised if Dahlin is the third. Heiskanen is another dark horse to be a finalist this season. Makar definitely missed too many games but probably still in the top 10. I would mostly agree with this assessment. Hughes hasn't finished higher than 13th in Norris voting (last year), but I think this is the year he breaks into the top 10. For my money, Makar is probably still the most deserving recipient despite his missed games, but it might allow another like Fox or Dahlin to win it. I'd have Pietrangelo as a dark horse to win it, but I don't think he has enough points to seriously garner the attention of Norris voters. Karlsson will probably at least be a finalist due to his points alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 On 4/3/2023 at 11:36 PM, Kevin Biestra said: If you look at the Vancouver Canucks +/- Pettersson and Hughes look like two mountains surrounded by almost nothing but marshland. Oh whew! For a second there I thought u said Marchand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted April 8, 2023 Author Share Posted April 8, 2023 Well, that's 1,500 for Crosby. Looking pretty good for everyone but Hughes to hit those marks... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted April 8, 2023 Author Share Posted April 8, 2023 ...and that's 150 points for McDavid. Two more goals this year and he matches Ovechkin's career high. His total would already easily be Ovechkin's second best goal scoring year by a healthy margin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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