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*Official* CBA Negotiations and Lockout Thread

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An interesting comparison:

The KHL just went to a hard cap this season with a limit of $36.5 M (US). (Source: http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Salary_cap) However, their cap rules allow teams to exclude any 2 players of their choice from the cap. (That's actually an interesting idea...) As with the NHL, we can assume bigger revenue teams would exclude their big name stars so they can pay more for big name talent, meaning their actual salary paid out could be significantly higher than the cap.

For example, let's say a team's 2 biggest stars were excluded and made an average of $5M a year (or, less than the $5.7M Ovechkin is believed to have signed for, which was likely significantly lower than what he could have otherwise gotten by the NHL/KHL agreement that players with current NHL contracts are limited to 65% of their NHL salaries. That rule would not apply if the player simply left the NHL and some players are rumored to be making huge paychecks in the KHL. As long ago as 2010, it's been reported that Fedorov gets $14M a year. Some have suggested some superstars are getting in the $20M range.) So, even with my incredibly conservative imaginary numbers, that would put that team's actual salary spending at $46.5 M. Last season, the NHL's salary cap floor was $48.3M. Under the NHL's 50/50 proposal, the cap floor for next season would be $43.9M, meaning some NHL teams would be spending less on salary than some KHL teams. In reality, that may already be true (especially this year since the KHL gave each team an additional salary cap exemption for a locked out NHL player.)

The last CBA included (as likely will the next) a 20% of cap limit for individual contracts. The KHL offers no such restriction on how much big name stars can make. (Though, to be fair, the lower salaried players likely make much less in the KHL than the NHL.)

The last CBA included escrow and all indications suggest the next will as well, possibly at a much higher percentage. Last year, 8.5% of players' salaries was held back in escrow. The KHL doesn't have escrow.

The NHL plays 82 games in the regular season. The KHL plays 52.

Anyone who thinks the NHL isn't at serious risk for losing big name stars, especially ones that are Russian, to the KHL is wrong. And anyone who thinks the NHL can just break the union and get all of those players to come play for them at whatever salary they decide to pay them is doubly wrong.

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Elliotte Friedman's 30 thoughts has a lot of interesting bits on the CBA negotiations today:

1. ...There was a lot of reaction to the list of hardliners I wrote about last week. One owner reached out to say I was "conservative" and "it wasn't just the small markets" who were taking a hard-line stand. Another governor said "you wouldn't believe what some of the big-market teams are saying."

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5. This, to me, was the difference between the teams that were named and those who weren't: If we get to 50/50 in a couple of years, some of the tough talkers will be satisfied. Others won't. They'll still want concessions on the contract issues and revenue sharing. Could be wrong, but I'd put Calgary in the first group.

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8. OK, enough of that. I mentioned Fehr's hatred of "ill-timed quotes." He tells a story about one baseball work stoppage where they were getting to a deal, only to have the league pull an offer very late in the process. He realized that one player told a reporter his group was excited about the possibility of returning, and the owners thought this was evidence of "cracking." That moment stuck with him - he's repeated the story a few times since taking the NHLPA job. There is no doubt he warned his constituency over the past 48 hours to be careful.

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10. Very interesting question: If Fehr walked into today's meeting and said, "We want you to guarantee the make-whole and play 82 games," would the NHL say no?

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13. Great point made by one source: How much pressure does the NHL feel to make traction and avoid negativity overshadowing the Hall of Fame ceremony next week?

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16. The New York Post's Larry Brooks had a good idea for the salary-floor problem. The NHL's last offer actually annoyed some owners by proposing the floor be reached by actual salary instead of artificial inflation due to bonuses. You can see these two thoughts being the solution: make the floor a percentage, but actual cash if it's important enough to the players.

17. An article that went under the radar was this one from The Toronto Star's Kevin McGran. Mathieu Schneider's comment about a cap on escrow - and Daly's reaction - are telling.

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19. Some other things to look out for: teams can only insure contracts for seven years. Is that a length the league and players would be comfortable with?

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23. Best guess: if the season starts December 1 (or a few days sooner), the number of games will start with a 7. And the regular season is extended a week or two beyond what was originally scheduled.

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Not sure what you are suggesting. One of the main reasons why the 2004 CBA was signed was the PA was faced with mass defections from existing members. To my knowledge there is nothing preventing existing PA members from leaving the PA and signing as replacement players if that event ever happened.

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Well they're doing the talks without the media present, a good sign that they want to get things done instead of trying to appeal for public opinion.

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Meeting is over. They'll meet again tomorrow

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Meeting is over. They'll meet again tomorrow

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Yeah my bad lol... Still in progress. Hope they covered some ground.

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It's over now at 10.15 eastern. 7 and a half hour meeting.

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This looks positive, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

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Wow, they almost put in a full work day.

Good job guys, way to earn your millions. Hopefully they can get in the full 8 hours tomorrow.

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All the signs are there that this lockout is on the verge of being over and a resolution in place.

Expect the talks to get more frequent and positive and an agreement to be signed in under 2 weeks.

There's absolutely no chance in hell that this lockout ends this NHL season.

I'd wager every last dollar of my retirement savings on that.

Hockey begins Dec.1 or even earlier. Quote me on that!

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All the signs are there that this lockout is on the verge of being over and a resolution in place.

Expect the talks to get more frequent and positive and an agreement to be signed in under 2 weeks.

There's absolutely no chance in hell that this lockout ends this NHL season.

I'd wager every last dollar of my retirement savings on that.

Hockey begins Dec.1 or even earlier. Quote me on that!

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Wow, they almost put in a full work day.

Good job guys, way to earn your millions. Hopefully they can get in the full 8 hours tomorrow.

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