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Posted 23 January 2013 - 02:22 PM

Wow, if I am reading this right, San Jose has *10* centres on their active roster?? And that isn't including the one they just waived to the minors.

.. you know, just in case you need injury spares -_-


That's what I mean - why sign Gomez? Unless, of course, they're shipping out one of their many centers to finally land the quality goaltender they've been lacking.

Pavelski please! I wouldn't even oppose a straight-up for Luongo.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 02:31 PM

I'd prefer Logan Couture for Luongo+
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 03:21 PM

I'd prefer Logan Couture for Luongo+


of course couture would be better but i highly doubt SJ would ever consider trading him. he is their future after marleau/thornton retire. Pavelski fits the canucks payroll and playstyle perfectly he isnt known as the swiss army knife for nothing.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 03:40 PM

We could offer Luongo and Kelser for Couture, and it probably still wouldn't be enough. Couture isn't going anywhere.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 03:42 PM

We could offer Luongo and Kelser for Couture, and it probably still wouldn't be enough. Couture isn't going anywhere.


Can't tell if joking? If not...WOW!
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 03:46 PM

If San Jose traded Pavelski they'd have no RH shots up front, or a RH faceoff specialist, but I guess that isn't that big of a deal.

Personally, I think the mystery team is Washington and Brooks Laich is the guy Gillis wants (plus prospect and a pick) to replace Malhotra next year. Prior to Laich extending there were heavy rumours that the Canucks were going to target him in UFA. The guy is a natural born leader that will go through a wall, is willing to drop the gloves and is versatile.

With Schneider between the pipes, our current D-core, a top-5 PP, a top-5 PK, and a shutdown line of Higgins-Laich-Hansen we'd have a mirror image of the 2010-2011 team and a perhaps the right recipe for a Cup victory.
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Kassian.... Taylor Pyatt 3.0

Lies. He's more of a Steve Bernier. Hopefully his talent level goes up so he can become like a Taylor Pyatt.


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Posted 23 January 2013 - 03:46 PM

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Hahaha, I hear he loves water boarding.


He spent the off season training at Guantanamo
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 03:55 PM

If San Jose traded Pavelski they'd have no RH shots up front, or a RH faceoff specialist, but I guess that isn't that big of a deal.

Personally, I think the mystery team is Washington and Brooks Laich is the guy Gillis wants (plus prospect and a pick) to replace Malhotra next year.  Prior to Laich extending there were heavy rumours that the Canucks were going to target him in UFA.  The guy is a natural born leader that will go through a wall, is willing to drop the gloves and is versatile.  

With Schneider between the pipes, our current D-core, a top-5 PP, a top-5 PK, and a shutdown line of Higgins-Laich-Hansen we'd have a mirror image of the 2010-2011 team and a perhaps the right recipe for a Cup victory.


Good point about the RH shot. Wingels is a righty, but after that they're all lefties.

I think the guy SJ would prefer to trade is Marleau - even with his great start. The guy has been maddeningly inconsistent for them in the playoffs, and has a 6.9M cap hit this year an next. Of course, those would be the same reasons I'd expect Gillis would prefer Pavelski.

Laich would be a great fit too, but I personally find him a bit overpaid.

Edited by D-Money, 23 January 2013 - 03:58 PM.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:00 PM

Good point about the RH shot. Wingels is a righty, but after that they're all lefties.

I think the guy SJ would prefer to trade is Marleau - even with his great start. The guy has been maddeningly inconsistent for them in the playoffs, and has a 6.9M cap hit this year an next. Of course, those would be the same reasons I'd expect Gillis would prefer Pavelski.

Laich would be a great fit too, but I personally find him a bit overpaid.


I just can't see MG trading Luongo to a team they may very well have to go through to get to the Finals..........if anything was going ot motivate Lu to shake off his layoff meltdowns, that's it. I can see the SJ bulletin board before game 1 of a Van-SJ series already. He goes east, or he stays in Van, that's my opinion
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:00 PM

I doubt Paveski is going anywhere as he is one of Shark better playoff performance guys
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:06 PM

man, can y'all believe how many pages this tidbit of info that Gillis let out to the Sun has created!!?? I mean, he's got all the muppet Van fans all stirred up pretty good on here. Everyone is speculating that we are gonna get some quality in return for Lu but we all forget that it's his contact that is the huge steam roller that will crush all aspirations in the long run. With the cap going down to 64 million from the present 70 million next season, any team with quality players will not have the cap space for such a deal unless Gillis is convinced/suckered into eating about 75% of Lu's cap hit. Otherwise he'll go to some team that has a ton of cap space and can afford to buy him out if he doesn't pan out and we will be stuck with pylons like Kassian, Schroeder, Ballard, Bieksa, etc + an unproven goaltender with no backup!! Who is gonna be the backup when Lu leaves this sorry city!!! It seems no matter how we look at this Luongo situation, that Gillis created I might add, we are gonna take it in the left ear or in another location of the anatomy, with Lu being totally in the drivers seat. Gillis is wingin' this whole deal and he'll end up with egg all over his face!! Until he makes whatever deal he can, Lu will continue to be a huge distraction until he is gone!!! ...


You butt hurt gillis haters are the only ones "distracted"
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:09 PM

you might want to lay off the 9th cup of morning coffee.

The key phrase in your post is "at the moment". Kesler will be back, Booth will be back and the second line will be fine. If MG goes out and pulls a panic trade to fix the second line, then there will be a glut of fwds. Not saying he shouldn't look at it, but if a chance to get a PK Subban comes up, you take it........he's exactly the kind of return you want for Luongo, ayoung impact player.

But, if you're happy with trading Luongo for forwards that Toronto doesn't want, you should make that known to MG

Sedin Sedin Burr - you know what you get
Booth Kes Hansen - speed, grit, hard to the net
Raymond Schroeder Kassian - hope to see what we saw in camp
Volpatti Lappy Higgins - grind line with a scoring touch

for the fwd group, all parts are pretty much interchangeable.........complete depth

Bieksa Hamhuis - dependable shutdown guys
Edler Garrison - bombs and physical
Subban Tanev - young, energetic, dynamic, poised

for the d group, the top 5 can all be interchanged and all 3 groups woud play equal mins.........fresh going into the playoffs

pp 1

SEdin Sedin hansen - I like Hansen here.......Burr too

Eddie Garrison - Kaboom

pp 2

Schroeder Kesler Kassian - Schroeder is the passer, Kesler the shooter, kass the screen

PK Bieksa - Pk is the qb we've been looking for, Bieksa is the director


Manny goes, Ballard goes

The 2nd line has been an issue for years now. Assuming all will be well when Kesler and Booth return might be a stretch. IMHO only Kesler is a proven top 6 player. If the Kassian experiment works and Burrows can play on the 2nd then maybe. Tonight's game will be very interesting with Burrows at C.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:09 PM

If San Jose traded Pavelski they'd have no RH shots up front, or a RH faceoff specialist, but I guess that isn't that big of a deal.

Personally, I think the mystery team is Washington and Brooks Laich is the guy Gillis wants (plus prospect and a pick) to replace Malhotra next year. Prior to Laich extending there were heavy rumours that the Canucks were going to target him in UFA. The guy is a natural born leader that will go through a wall, is willing to drop the gloves and is versatile.

With Schneider between the pipes, our current D-core, a top-5 PP, a top-5 PK, and a shutdown line of Higgins-Laich-Hansen we'd have a mirror image of the 2010-2011 team and a perhaps the right recipe for a Cup victory.


Laich and Brouwer would be unreal. We would be the team to beat in the west if we're reletively healthy.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:11 PM

Good point about the RH shot. Wingels is a righty, but after that they're all lefties.

I think the guy SJ would prefer to trade is Marleau - even with his great start. The guy has been maddeningly inconsistent for them in the playoffs, and has a 6.9M cap hit this year an next. Of course, those would be the same reasons I'd expect Gillis would prefer Pavelski.

Laich would be a great fit too, but I personally find him a bit overpaid.


I could see SJ peddling Marleau, but that NMC has been enacted before so Wilson is pretty handcuffed with that one. I could see Chicago being interested in both Marleau & bringing back Niemi but they'd be over the cap next year. Bolland is gonna get paid when he goes to UFA (especially if he stays in the top-six all year) and I think Chicago might try to move him before that happens (hence that Luongo for Bolland rumour back in June).

As for Laich, there is no doubt that he is overpaid by about $500-$750k but whatya do? Perhaps you get the Caps to eat a portion of the cap hit but you could kiss the draft pick goodbye in that case and, personally, I'd prefer to get an extra pick. We gotta start stockpiling picks (*ahem* Ballard *ahem*).
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Kassian.... Taylor Pyatt 3.0

Lies. He's more of a Steve Bernier. Hopefully his talent level goes up so he can become like a Taylor Pyatt.


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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:12 PM

The 2nd line has been an issue for years now. Assuming all will be well when Kesler and Booth return might be a stretch. IMHO only Kesler is a proven top 6 player. If the Kassian experiment works and Burrows can play on the 2nd then maybe. Tonight's game will be very interesting with Burrows at C.


I still have faith in Booth.......I think he's one of those players that takes a little longer to adjust. If not, that lineup has enough interchangeable pieces to move him around. I'm not saying they are, or should be, actively pursuing Subban, but if the Habs offered him, I can't see anyway that MG would turn that down. Everyone keeps saying they want a young, imapct player.......Subban fits that bill
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:14 PM

Laich and Brouwer would be unreal. We would be the team to beat in the west if we're reletively healthy.


There's no way that fits cap wise next season under a $64.3m cap.
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Kassian.... Taylor Pyatt 3.0

Lies. He's more of a Steve Bernier. Hopefully his talent level goes up so he can become like a Taylor Pyatt.


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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:17 PM

That's what I mean - why sign Gomez? Unless, of course, they're shipping out one of their many centers to finally land the quality goaltender they've been lacking.

Pavelski please! I wouldn't even oppose a straight-up for Luongo.

And they did sign Gomez today: [Signing] Gomez signs with San Jose

Out of the teams that I don't think are really plausible, San Jose is one of the more likely. I think we would take Niemi back and it'd be an easy buyout if we had to since he only has one year left. They might have a lot of centers but they need wingers - particularly right wingers - so they either have Marleau and Pavelski playing wing (along with Handzus, Wingles, etc) or they trade for one.

I don't want Marleau back because his salary is just too much and it's not like they'll give us Couture. Thornton's off the table I'm sure as well (for both sides).

That leaves players like Pavelski, Handzus and Burish.
  • Handzus is 35 and a pending UFA, so we'd really have to get good prospects/picks (all suggestions assume Niemi coming back) if we went that route. Still a decent player, has size but isn't overly physical, does have a NMC but would likely waive it.
  • Pavelski is the best option as he's in his prime at 28 and is a 60 point a year guy. He has another year left at $4M but we'd need to consider what we can fit under the cap and what else we might get in return. Not big, but a playoff performer and versatile for the top 9.
  • Burish, an outside choice considering his time with Chicago, is reasonably cheap and signed longer term, but redundant considering we have Manny, Lappy, etc. Not very likely and we wouldn't be getting the return in all pieces that we'd want.
That brings up another point, what else do they have that we'd want?
  • Tomas Hertl would be nice, but he's their top prospect so I don't see them giving him up easily. Again, another center but he can play wing and San Jose could really use wingers as they aren't deep there.
  • Hamilton and Oleksuk are their other two good forward prospects, and Hamilton has been good (just not amazing offensively) but Oleksuk has been rumoured to look a little lost and hasn't produced much at all. We have similar prospects already.
  • Matt Tennyson is one of their top D prospects, and has been a standout in the AHL (for both good and bad reasons), similar to Connauton for us but a RH shot.
  • Taylor Doherty is another D, but more of a project. He's massive (6'7", 235) but his skating is weak and needs to be worked on to compete with NHL speed. Not likely to be better than a top 4, he might end up being a good bottom pairing guy.
  • Nick Petrecki is a D as well, hasn't yet panned out but is on the fringe. Physical with size, and offensive capability, he hasn't been consistent enough to really excel. Could be an interesting depth guy though.
Other than that, there's always the obvious 1st rounder, especially since San Jose is on the downward trend after competing for so long. Might be something there, but I can easily see it not being that exciting depending on the package.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:42 PM

I'd Love to get Pavelski straight up, but is happily add in Raymond and Cannauton and a mid pick
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:46 PM

I have a feeling the other player they are waiting for is Gudbrannson.

Something like:

To Van:

Gudbrannson
Goc
Berginhiem

To fla:

Lou
Raymond
Connauton

Edited by JohnLennon, 23 January 2013 - 04:57 PM.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:47 PM

There's no way that fits cap wise next season under a $64.3m cap.


I agree, i was more thinking of loading up to win it.. I think we can fit laich in long term but not both.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:47 PM

1. "heard from others" who? Buddies?

2. Doesn't make any sense. Yes Subban is terrific but why would we trade for him, our defense isn't our biggest concern, short or long term, center is both short and long term.

3. If a trade with Fla happens, why wouldn't we take Huberdeau? That makes sense to me...

4. Therefore, your trade sounds a bit too much like buddies at the bar


1) Just talk going on in a rink from someone related to a guy in the NHL. Said that the relation got a text from Subban saying he was heading west.

2)I agree that defense is no where near our biggest concern. So bringing in Subban is questionable with our current top 4 defencemen who are now all locked up long term. However, if Luo really wants to go to Florida this might be the best player available that we can get. If this is the case, I would be happy to get Subban in the blue and green. People say there is no such thing as too many good dman for a team.

3) I completely agree that I would personally rather have Huberdeau. However Gillis might not. for two reasons: 1) He has a BAD expierence in the past from having too many centers fighting for the two spots available in the top 6. The obvious answer is to move a player to the wing but this just did'nt work in our past expierence with Hodgson in my opinion. 2) Our window of oppertunity to win. Subban has a little more expierence in the big league and therefore could possibly give us a better chance to win in some people's opinion.

4) I am very happy that you accuse me of being in a bar. At least this means your not accusing me of being a young child (which I'm not to clarify) :P

In conclusion, I am by no means saying that this deal will happen. Just that I heard it from a potential (unreputable) source. I just posted it for the good discussion that you have produced. I would personally be happy to get Subban but question its validabilty for the same reasons that you have suggested.

Edited by Saskatchewan Canucks Fan, 23 January 2013 - 04:48 PM.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:51 PM

Luongo
Raymond
Cannauton
2014 3rd

For
Pavelski
2013 2nd

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 05:23 PM

Subban for Luongo makes no sense... i don't know if this is part of a 3 way deal proposed, but why would Montreal want Luongo?
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 05:28 PM

That's what I mean - why sign Gomez? Unless, of course, they're shipping out one of their many centers to finally land the quality goaltender they've been lacking.

Pavelski please! I wouldn't even oppose a straight-up for Luongo.

Depth thats why , In a condensed season like this there is going to be a lot of injurys ,Its the exact reason why we signed Barker and Vandermeer
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 05:49 PM

CDC ers need to understand. Sanjose is winning and playing well right now, they have a goalie signed who has won a cup. Dont think they are trading partners as muchas id like pavelski, dont think they are interested in luongo

He should be sent to a eastern conference team only.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 05:53 PM

I have a feeling the other player they are waiting for is Gudbrannson.

Something like:

To Van:

Gudbrannson
Goc
Berginhiem

To fla:

Lou
Raymond
Connauton


My first thought with this was why the heck would we want a young defenceman. Afterall, our current top 5 are locked up for another 3 years after this season and we need more help up front. But if Gillis can't get the high quality prospect he wants in the forward position, a young potential stud defenceman might not be a bad idea. While Bieksa, Garrison, Hamhuis and Edler are signed for another 3 years after this season, if we assume Ballard will be gone at some point then Gudbranson would at least slide into the 5th spot in the next couple of years, giving him plenty of time to develop before he hits his prime.

Goc and Bergenheim are serviceable forwards that provide some depth and plug some holes at reasonable cap hits for the next couple of years. I'd rather we get a Huberdeau or Bjugstadt rather than a Gudbranson to go along with Goc and Bergenheim, but if that's not available, this might be a nice deal for us.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 05:55 PM

If San Jose traded Pavelski they'd have no RH shots up front, or a RH faceoff specialist, but I guess that isn't that big of a deal.

Personally, I think the mystery team is Washington and Brooks Laich is the guy Gillis wants (plus prospect and a pick) to replace Malhotra next year. Prior to Laich extending there were heavy rumours that the Canucks were going to target him in UFA. The guy is a natural born leader that will go through a wall, is willing to drop the gloves and is versatile.

With Schneider between the pipes, our current D-core, a top-5 PP, a top-5 PK, and a shutdown line of Higgins-Laich-Hansen we'd have a mirror image of the 2010-2011 team and a perhaps the right recipe for a Cup victory.


Not saying WSH/Laich isn't the mystery team/player, but Laich has had 5 fights in 4 seasons in the NHL....I wouldn't call that 'willing to drop the gloves' as you say.

This team needs toughness IMO. I know he's not a center, but I'm praying that the guy Gillis is targeting is Clowe and they get one of SJ's other centermen to simply 'fill-in' until Kesler returns. Clowe is exactly the type of player this team is missing. Pavelski would be a great addition as well, but not as good as Clowe considering how this team is built right now. Clowe is who I hope Kassian develops into in 2-3 years. With the Sedins, he could be a 30g guy and hold other teams accountable for their actions finally.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:13 PM

I have a feeling the other player they are waiting for is Gudbrannson.

Something like:

To Van:

Gudbrannson
Goc
Berginhiem

To fla:

Lou
Raymond
Connauton


Gudbranson is untouchable I think
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:28 PM

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:29 PM

Subban for Luongo makes no sense... i don't know if this is part of a 3 way deal proposed, but why would Montreal want Luongo?


It was part of a 3 way trade that someone I know aparently heard about. Im was not saying this will happen but posted it for discussion. BuretoMogilny and a few others posted why they thought it was non plausible. This was the main parts to the 3 way that we were talking about:

Vancouver: Suban
Montreal: Huberdeau
Florida: Luongo
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