oldnews Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Well, is Kyle Turris when he played on the 4th line in Phoenix a better comparison? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Well, is Kyle Turris when he played on the 4th line in Phoenix a better comparison? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truckin Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 I doubt we would get Nino Niederreiter in any trade without overpaying. The hype around him is on par with say Turris last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TmanVan Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 What's with these Nino - Filatov comparisons? One is a whiny, soft Russian, who bolted pretty much as soon as he was sent to the Ahl. Nino is a power forward, former Whl player, who plays like a Canadian and isn't a threat to flee, he just wants a fair shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Isles gonna bite the Dipietro bullet - cue the mystery team and player to do something with... Luo, Ebbett for Cizikas, Nelson, Pokka, Nabokov. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Nino's trade value has decreased significantly. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go for a 2nd round pick. his numbers in the NHL are awful. For those talking about Tanev: he is a true defense man. He is almost like Lidstrom (obviously not as good) but he plays that sort of way. He makes barely any mistakes!! His only fault is his shot. He often fans and it isn't very hard. Hopefully he can work on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 I don't think they are going to buy him out, as it's not realistic for there franchise. Rather just send him down and give Poulin a chance since Rick is playing bad. Just my opinion though, hopefully I am wrong, maybe that will open up a possibility at a Luongo deal to NYI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noseforthenet Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Perhaps - and Turris went for Rundblad (a first round pick) and a 2nd - which is a comparison of what you'd have to give up for Neiderreiter, who isn't the equivalent of a 3rd or 4th - if he was, every GM in the NHL would be lined up for the pole position on that deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Well, they don't want to pay him for the duration of his contract to sit in the minors either. If it came to that or a regular buyout, they'd choose the buyout. They're hoping someone will pick him up though, either off waivers or somehow in a trade where they sweeten the pot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Bertuzzi was a bust as well, and we gave up Linden for him? Not saying Nino = Bert. What I am saying is you have to take risks in trades. Some will be busts, but some have yet to be given the development they need and used correctly. Some other guys: Higgins was a bust, Kassian was becoming a bust, Lapierre was a bust, Naslund was a bust... Risks do pan out, some guys also get over being frustrated that they are no longer top line guys and suddenly realize they have to work their arse off just to stay in the league... Malhotra, Bernier, Torres... All have some value still. A former 43 goal scorer, a number 5 overall pick (6'2" 208 lbs) and a first rounder in a deep talented draft, even with risks, is a pretty good haul! Just have to say this...YUCK!!! Nino Niederreiter has "Filatov" disappointment all over him. Didn't he also want out, just like Nino does? He has played 64 NHL games has 3 points and is a -30. THAT'S THE MEAT AND POTATOES IN YOUR DEAL?! . The first isn't going to even be that great. However valuable picks are going to be in this draft, it's not worth it. That being said, I do believe RW depth is needed, just like you mentioned. There are better ways of getting said depth though. I would personally like to get Teddy Purcell from Tampa. That one would take one of our goalies for sure! Any better ideas for RW depth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 People here thinking Neidereiter will be a giveaway are taking his numbers last year out of context. He played 10 minutes a game on the fourth line, as a 19 year old, and the bulk of his minutes were with Jay Pandolfo, who had 3 points in 62 games, and Tim Wallace, who had a single point. When you look at his underlying numbers, he was only a -4.5 relative corsi, while getting only 46% offensive zone starts, and 49.3% finishes. It was an extremely odd way to use a highly skilled bluechip prospect, but his lack of production and +/- say very little about the young player. He's still a tremendous talent, and if the Isles are prepared to dump him for a 2nd, there would be a hell of a lot of suitors. I'd be shocked if he could be had for that, and would chalk that up to idiotic player management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noseforthenet Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 People here thinking Neidereiter will be a giveaway are taking his numbers last year out of context. He played 10 minutes a game on the fourth line, as a 19 year old, and the bulk of his minutes were with Jay Pandolfo, who had 3 points in 62 games, and Tim Wallace, who had a single point. When you look at his underlying numbers, he was only a -4.5 relative corsi, while getting only 46% offensive zone starts, and 49.3% finishes. It was an extremely odd way to use a highly skilled bluechip prospect, but his lack of production and +/- say very little about the young player. He's still a tremendous talent, and if the Isles are prepared to dump him for a 2nd, there would be a hell of a lot of suitors. I'd be shocked if he could be had for that, and would chalk that up to idiotic player management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sampy Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Does McPhee really think his job will be safe if he places in the bottom of the Western Conference with the owner spending to the cap? The goaltending is the obvious issue and Lu would help the Caps greatly on and off the ice. How long will McPhee wait before he does something? Realistic Fair Trade: Lu and Ballard For Carlson and Neuvirth Dream Trade: Lu, Ballard, Connaughton, 2nd, 3rd For Neuvirth, Carlson and Forsberg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truckin Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 I think we would do better not packaging Ballard with Lou,for some reason I feel like we get more trading them individually to different teams. If it ends up being the Capitals or Isles I honestly would be happy with young promising players. Nino Niederreiter,Ryan Strome, Griffen Reinhart,Kyle Okposo for the Isles. Say 2 of them and a draft pick. Filip Forsberg,Evgeny Kuznetsov,Tom Wilson and Marcus Johansson.Same deal as with the Isles 2 and a pick. Much more willing to take a goalie back from Washington than the Isles. I think we need to start building for the future and the idea that our window is closing because our core is older is not something I buy into as much as the media likes to play it up. I know they love to see us go for broke and then laugh when we sold our future to get it. As for Ballard we can swap him for a plug this year near the trade deadline or keep him till draft,not to critical for me. The forward surplus of say Higgins,Raymond and Hanson is more of a worry. I think we need to dump one in a package,just not to sure who..lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoosh Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Luongo is hot (5-0-1, 1.12, .953 in last 6 GPI). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockNroLLa. Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Luongo is hot (5-0-1, 1.12, .953 in last 6 GPI). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bookie Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Luongo is REALLY hot (36-24-36) See a goalie walkin' down the street Just the kind of goalie that I'd like to meet It ain't his hair, his clothes, his feet Somethin' much more discreet Now I ain't loud Cory I ain't proud I just want what I'm not allowed Movin on up & help myself Do a world of good for my tender health 36-24-36 Something's broken' that needs to be fixed I don't know how to tell you this but I'm getting bored and I need some sticks Like 36-24-36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunningWild Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Franson is the same player he's been for the last few years - he's just being utilized this yr like he was in Nashville. That's why he 'appears' successful. He's a guy with a good shot, a PP guy, but eats weak minutes. He's always played incredibly sheltered minutes, low even strength TOI, high PP mins, low SH mins, and against really weak competition. Carlyle know how to use him, Wilson didn't. In AV's system, no way he replaces any d-man in the Canucks top 6, unless they're injured. He's not the type of d-man AV covets. If AV has to 'design' ice time for a defenseman to be successful, he'll be gone quicker than you can say Hodgson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sampy Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 I wonder if Stevie Y is ready to admit Lindback was a terrible trade. His.895 SP and 3.12 GA is among the leagues worst stats for starting goalies. Add to the fact that he has an arthritic disease, the trade was a poor one. TB can't wait as they are on the playoff bubble and St. Louis and Lecav only have a couple years left. You don't have Lidstrom Stevie, you can't get away with mediocre goaltending like the Wings did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Nino's trade value has decreased significantly. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go for a 2nd round pick. his numbers in the NHL are awful. For those talking about Tanev: he is a true defense man. He is almost like Lidstrom (obviously not as good) but he plays that sort of way. He makes barely any mistakes!! His only fault is his shot. He often fans and it isn't very hard. Hopefully he can work on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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