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#31 canucks_dynasty

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 07:58 AM

Did you pull the 7 million out of your hat or arse? Just wondering?


Considering that Getzlaf and Perry re-signed for $8M with Anaheim...a #1 goalie would fetch around $6-7M on the open market I would think. You can't always count that everyone will give a discount to resign with their current team.

I read somewhere that with the salary cap going down...the elite will get their money. It's the middle pack (lower end) that will get squeezed out (ie. reduced salary).



Given the current situation...I'm all for trading Schneider as long as the return is good-great (not average). At least a young top 6 roster player, prospect, and 1st round pick.
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Posted 17 April 2013 - 01:39 PM

Let's just say for the sake of arguement Luongo and Schneider are exactly equal as far as how well they play and what they can do for us.

Luongo gives us say 4 more years.
Schneider gives us 10 more years.

You trade Schneider you are taking an awful big risk we will have somebody of the same calibre to take over in 4 years. Before you say Lack is coming, just because Lack has done well in the AHL means nothing when it comes to making in the NHL. We've had plenty of other young goalies brought up through the system or that we have traded for that didn't pan out.


when Luongo is done Lack will be ready to take over, and the return for Schneids will send us over the top.
if we keep Schneider, we don't utilize Lack and get a minimum return for Luongo due to Gillis waiting too long
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Posted 17 April 2013 - 05:18 PM

trade the marblehead now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted 17 April 2013 - 05:23 PM

when Luongo is done Lack will be ready to take over, and the return for Schneids will send us over the top.
if we keep Schneider, we don't utilize Lack and get a minimum return for Luongo due to Gillis waiting too long


This is what I believe. I was all for trading Luongo until they abruptly changed the CBA. Now the caps going down, we cant ditch contracts in the minors. We cant ditch them due to retirement. We are stuck with the guy.

Gillis couldnt even get an AHL Schrivens , and two mid level second rounders for the guy. Thats how bad his contract is.

Lets 'Chris Pronger' / Marc Savard the guy. Wait until the 6.7 mil years are up then all of a sudden get a never ending back pain. Steve Moore could even be brought in to advise.

That way he could be perpetually on LTIR and we can get around the final years of the cap hit that way.
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Posted 17 April 2013 - 05:48 PM

After winning it all...

Flor gets: Schneids, Burrows, Edler Van: Bjustad, Gudbranson, Markstrom, 2014 1st rounder

-Burr will ALWAYS get the reff-hate. Love the guy, but...
-Gudbranson toughness/potential over Edler. He's what we need, in a RH d
-This would save 7 or 8 mill, next yr's cap

Also...

Philly gets: Luongo, Kesler, Ballard Van:Bryzgalov, Simmonds, Couturier, 2015 1st rounder

-After Schneids is gone, Philly jumps for this
-Sign derek Roy(don't waste as rental)
-Bjustad, Couturier, Simmonds, Kassian, Gudbranson...Sorry to our excellent older "core"-but I want a BIG, tough team.

Bryz, Markstrom, Lack, Cannata(someone will emerge as the answer)..Sometimes you gotta' sell high, & take a chance.
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Posted 17 April 2013 - 05:50 PM

After winning it all...

Flor gets: Schneids, Burrows, Edler Van: Bjustad, Gudbranson, Markstrom, 2014 1st rounder

-Burr will ALWAYS get the reff-hate. Love the guy, but...
-Gudbranson toughness/potential over Edler. He's what we need, in a RH d
-This would save 7 or 8 mill, next yr's cap

Also...

Philly gets: Luongo, Kesler, Ballard Van:Bryzgalov, Simmonds, Couturier, 2015 1st rounder

-After Schneids is gone, Philly jumps for this
-Sign derek Roy(don't waste as rental)
-Bjustad, Couturier, Simmonds, Kassian, Gudbranson...Sorry to our excellent older "core"-but I want a BIG, tough team.

Bryz, Markstrom, Lack, Cannata(someone will emerge as the answer)..Sometimes you gotta' sell high, & take a chance.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 07:32 PM

Considering that Getzlaf and Perry re-signed for $8M with Anaheim...a #1 goalie would fetch around $6-7M on the open market I would think. You can't always count that everyone will give a discount to resign with their current team.

I read somewhere that with the salary cap going down...the elite will get their money. It's the middle pack (lower end) that will get squeezed out (ie. reduced salary).



Given the current situation...I'm all for trading Schneider as long as the return is good-great (not average). At least a young top 6 roster player, prospect, and 1st round pick.


I totally agree. I think Schneids will be worth 7 mil 2 years from now. I would be highly surprised if he settled for less.
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Posted 17 April 2013 - 09:34 PM

Canucks will be rebuilding within a couple of years. To start, you need a good young goalie (Schneids) then you start to build a strong defensive corp. As you slide down the standings, you also pick up some higher draft picks and you build solid forward lines.

It makes no sense to trade one of the best young goalies in the league.
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Posted 17 April 2013 - 10:13 PM

when Luongo is done Lack will be ready to take over, and the return for Schneids will send us over the top.
if we keep Schneider, we don't utilize Lack and get a minimum return for Luongo due to Gillis waiting too long

Why is everyone so high on Lack? its not like he's some young stud, he's 25 only 2 years younger then cory. If luongo plays another 5 years. Lack then takes over as a 30 year old? seriously give your head a shake. On top of that what makes everyone think he will be so good, because john garret has mentioned his name a few times. take a look what cory accomplished before he made the jump. now compare that to lack, wait what has lack accomplished? I'm not saying someday he wont be a NHL goalie but how can you have so much faith in someone with so little to show for it.

So tell me again why people think we should trade a young cheaper goalie who's already showing how good he can be in the NHL. Makes no sense to me.
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:18 AM

Why is everyone so high on Lack? its not like he's some young stud, he's 25 only 2 years younger then cory. If luongo plays another 5 years. Lack then takes over as a 30 year old? seriously give your head a shake. On top of that what makes everyone think he will be so good, because john garret has mentioned his name a few times. take a look what cory accomplished before he made the jump. now compare that to lack, wait what has lack accomplished? I'm not saying someday he wont be a NHL goalie but how can you have so much faith in someone with so little to show for it.

So tell me again why people think we should trade a young cheaper goalie who's already showing how good he can be in the NHL. Makes no sense to me.


The reason it makes no sense to you is because its not what you want to believe. You want Luongo traded, and you want Schneider to stay here. So you will resist any logic that shows otherwise.

A common way to do this is to uphold any logic that supports trading Luongo to keep Schneider, and simply ignore the evidence to the contrary like it doesnt exist.

If you want the real truth, you must look at ALL the evidence. Not just the little bits you want to see.

1)Luongo is 34 has 9 years left on his albatross contract. He has a 5.3 cap hit. The new CBA says we have to eat that cap hit even after he retires until the contract expires. If we sell Luongo, the new team eats half and we STILL eat half. These are the facts.

2) Cory Schneider is 27 years old, and has 2 more years on a fantastic 4mil dollar deal. He is in the running to be nominated for the Vezina and most of us feel it stands to reason he will be nominated and/or win a Vezina one day.

3) Eddie Lack is 25. Some say he is ready, some say he would be a mediocre NHL goalie at best. Regardless, hes no joke. He is a bonifide goaltender who could play for us. Up to Luongo or Schneider standards? I doubt it but who knows.

There is the current objective evidence. Seems pretty simple doesnt it? Unfortunately, life isnt about the right now when it comes to 400 million dollar high profile sports franchises. You have to juggle whats happening now as opposed to making sure in the future you dont turn into a joke.

So here is the logic we now have to use from a business point of view, because to fans its a sport but to those who provide the sport, have to run a business to get that entertainment to us.

This whole goaltending situation turns out not to be about Luongo, Schneider or Lack. The defining feature that leads me to want to trade Schneider is.............drum roll please..............Henrik and Daniel Sedin.

These guys are the difference between a good team and a contender. No twins and no cup. Both are turning 33 this year. Even Kesler is turning 29 this year.

We have about 2 years left on our true window with the Sedin core to win a stanley cup. Unless we can get primary scorers to help Kesler when the twins come down to being 55 point second liners.

Luongo has a cap hit of only 5.3mil and his true 6.7 mil salary is for another 4 years. He will play for that. But by age 38 will he be good enough to want to play longer than this? He will only be making 3 mil, then 1 mil for the rest of the years. I say its probable he retires.

If we keep Schneider, at age 29 he will be demanding 7 mil or walk out as a UFA . Every other goalie of his calibre is making as much and with a vezina and /or cup on his resume, he will get it . Either here or elsewhere. So in fact, Schneider is going to be even more expensive than Luongo.

We cant get anything for Luongo with the stupid contract. We couldnt even get AHL Schrivens , and two mid level to low level seconds for the clown. Aqua man is certainly not taking on another insane contract to just throw money out the window to buy it out. Forget it. He spends to the cap every year. He has not cheaped out on us. He will not let Gillis take a bunch of junk salary to get rid of Luongo.

So, If we just dump Luongo on waivers and or take a nothing package and eat half his cap hit, or .............we trade an extremely valuable Schneider for a package of goodness and just play luongo.

Luongo can then get a 'concussion' in his last 4 years like pronger /savard and go on LTIR to avoid the stupid cap hit instead of him retiring.

Luongo/Lack plus the goodie package for Schneider is just a way better deal than

Schneider (soon to be 7mil for 8 years by the way) plus 1/2 Luongos cap hit.

Its a no brainer to me. Luongo can still play 95% as good as schneider. He will last as long as the twins do. Keep him. Trade Schneider.
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 10:04 AM

The reason it makes no sense to you is because its not what you want to believe. You want Luongo traded, and you want Schneider to stay here. So you will resist any logic that shows otherwise.

A common way to do this is to uphold any logic that supports trading Luongo to keep Schneider, and simply ignore the evidence to the contrary like it doesnt exist.

If you want the real truth, you must look at ALL the evidence. Not just the little bits you want to see.

1)Luongo is 34 has 9 years left on his albatross contract. He has a 5.3 cap hit. The new CBA says we have to eat that cap hit even after he retires until the contract expires. If we sell Luongo, the new team eats half and we STILL eat half. These are the facts.

2) Cory Schneider is 27 years old, and has 2 more years on a fantastic 4mil dollar deal. He is in the running to be nominated for the Vezina and most of us feel it stands to reason he will be nominated and/or win a Vezina one day.

3) Eddie Lack is 25. Some say he is ready, some say he would be a mediocre NHL goalie at best. Regardless, hes no joke. He is a bonifide goaltender who could play for us. Up to Luongo or Schneider standards? I doubt it but who knows.

There is the current objective evidence. Seems pretty simple doesnt it? Unfortunately, life isnt about the right now when it comes to 400 million dollar high profile sports franchises. You have to juggle whats happening now as opposed to making sure in the future you dont turn into a joke.

So here is the logic we now have to use from a business point of view, because to fans its a sport but to those who provide the sport, have to run a business to get that entertainment to us.

This whole goaltending situation turns out not to be about Luongo, Schneider or Lack. The defining feature that leads me to want to trade Schneider is.............drum roll please..............Henrik and Daniel Sedin.

These guys are the difference between a good team and a contender. No twins and no cup. Both are turning 33 this year. Even Kesler is turning 29 this year.

We have about 2 years left on our true window with the Sedin core to win a stanley cup. Unless we can get primary scorers to help Kesler when the twins come down to being 55 point second liners.

Luongo has a cap hit of only 5.3mil and his true 6.7 mil salary is for another 4 years. He will play for that. But by age 38 will he be good enough to want to play longer than this? He will only be making 3 mil, then 1 mil for the rest of the years. I say its probable he retires.

If we keep Schneider, at age 29 he will be demanding 7 mil or walk out as a UFA . Every other goalie of his calibre is making as much and with a vezina and /or cup on his resume, he will get it . Either here or elsewhere. So in fact, Schneider is going to be even more expensive than Luongo.

We cant get anything for Luongo with the stupid contract. We couldnt even get AHL Schrivens , and two mid level to low level seconds for the clown. Aqua man is certainly not taking on another insane contract to just throw money out the window to buy it out. Forget it. He spends to the cap every year. He has not cheaped out on us. He will not let Gillis take a bunch of junk salary to get rid of Luongo.

So, If we just dump Luongo on waivers and or take a nothing package and eat half his cap hit, or .............we trade an extremely valuable Schneider for a package of goodness and just play luongo.

Luongo can then get a 'concussion' in his last 4 years like pronger /savard and go on LTIR to avoid the stupid cap hit instead of him retiring.

Luongo/Lack plus the goodie package for Schneider is just a way better deal than

Schneider (soon to be 7mil for 8 years by the way) plus 1/2 Luongos cap hit.

Its a no brainer to me. Luongo can still play 95% as good as schneider. He will last as long as the twins do. Keep him. Trade Schneider.


100% agree but it depends what teams want to give up for schneider
-edm- eberle? Hall? prob not
-phi- giroux? or couterier+simmonds + 1st, the schenns?
-NYI- strome+ Matt Martin + 1st??? Nelson+Strome+Matt Martin, Cizikas+ Hamonic+1st, 2nd, Matt Martin...
something like this- schneider is an all star...make teams overpay, that 1st may be in the bottom 16 so it wont be all that high.
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:13 AM

Why even trade the better goalie? Over the last 3 seasons here are the stats for both

LOU GAA 2.28
SP .920

Cory GAA 2.09
SP .931

It is clear and apparent who has the betters stats...How much more do you have to get in a Schneider trade to compensate for such outstanding goaltending. If building a winning team starts from the net out and Cory being younger and cheaper, its a no brainer that the team keeps Schneider. Although Lou's stats are very good, Schneider's are outstanding.

Lou's stats are very good based on 2010-11 season GAA 2.11. Last season 2.41 This season 2.34
Schneiders from season to season are better GAA 2.23 Last Season 1.96 This season 2.09

In 2010-11 Schneiders SP was.001 better than Lou but faced more shots thus a higher GAA Dumping Lou's 5.33 million cap hit frees up a lot of dollars to find an elite player to help us ,and then there is the return we get in trade.. and we still have the goalie with the better GAA and SP.

Edited by smurf47, 18 April 2013 - 11:23 AM.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:48 AM

Why even trade the better goalie? Over the last 3 seasons here are the stats for both

LOU GAA 2.28
SP .920

Cory GAA 2.09
SP .931

It is clear and apparent who has the betters stats...How much more do you have to get in a Schneider trade to compensate for such outstanding goaltending. If building a winning team starts from the net out and Cory being younger and cheaper, its a no brainer that the team keeps Schneider. Although Lou's stats are very good, Schneider's are outstanding.

Lou's stats are very good based on 2010-11 season GAA 2.11. Last season 2.41 This season 2.34
Schneiders from season to season are better GAA 2.23 Last Season 1.96 This season 2.09

In 2010-11 Schneiders SP was.001 better than Lou but faced more shots thus a higher GAA Dumping Lou's 5.33 million cap hit frees up a lot of dollars to find an elite player to help us ,and then there is the return we get in trade.. and we still have the goalie with the better GAA and SP.


schneider's stats are elevated compared to luongo for several reasons:

2007-2008 Luongo had to play injured and tired, our back up was no good, he ran out of gas, schneider has always been rested, has never had to play more than 35 games in a year. If you play morem your stats will drop
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 12:08 PM

schneider's stats are elevated compared to luongo for several reasons:

2007-2008 Luongo had to play injured and tired, our back up was no good, he ran out of gas, schneider has always been rested, has never had to play more than 35 games in a year. If you play morem your stats will drop

schneider's stats are elevated compared to luongo for several reasons:

2007-2008 Luongo had to play injured and tired, our back up was no good, he ran out of gas, schneider has always been rested, has never had to play more than 35 games in a year. If you play morem your stats will drop

Pretty weak excuse....Lou is" rested "this season, but Schneiders stats are still much better, so that lame excuse doesn't work and the consensus is that Lou is better the more games he plays. I'm sorry but the difference is in Schneider's technical superiority and he has proven to be better over the last 3 seasons. Management have opted to trade Lou....and theres good reasons to do so. And how did 2008 enter into this , we were talking the last 3 seasons where Lou has had a great backup.

Edited by smurf47, 18 April 2013 - 12:09 PM.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 12:34 PM

If we keep Schneider, at age 29 he will be demanding 7 mil or walk out as a UFA . Every other goalie of his calibre is making as much and with a vezina and /or cup on his resume, he will get it . Either here or elsewhere. So in fact, Schneider is going to be even more expensive than Luongo.


You do realize your whole theory is based on the assumption that Cory will be demanding 7 mill. What evidence has he shown you to make you feel this way. By him playing back up role for 2 years when he could have easily demanded a trade to a team where he would have been a number 1? Only way Cory demands that much is if he earned it and IF this team can afford it. As much as hockey players like money, they also like to win. No way he walks as UFA, if he isn't resigned prior to trade deadline in his final year then he is traded just like what is done with the majority of high priced players. GM's aren't dumb enough to lose an asset without any return, Why was Jerome traded? Why did Getzlaf and Perry signed right before deadline?

Your Second theory that the twins are getting older and are window is closing would only suggest that intern we keep the better goalie who gives us the best chance to win in the next two years. Cory has proven that he is the better goalie this year.

Think deeper about your theories, you'd like a huge return for Cory? Yes? Unfortunately an NHL ready impacting player is going to cost $$$ with a cap that is lowering. Would be mighty hard to fit in. ok say we trade Cory for future impact players, doesn't that not just defeat the purpose of trading the "younger" NHL proven goalie we already have.

We have a strong foundation for this team in Cory for years to come. He can be our MVP and reason we go on deep runs, Don't think the goalie is the most important player on the team, ask CBJ how they are sitting in a playoff picture right now, ask LA how they squeaked into playoffs last year.

On top of that if your allowed to assume that Cory will be demanding 7 million in 2 years and that Luongo is going to retire in 5 years, then i'm allowed to assume that in say 4-5 years if the twins performance drops then we will have Jensen, Kassian, future draft picks, FA signings, or other trades that come into play to replace their output.

Right now we have a young goalie who is proven he can play at a high level, this is a fact. By trading him away and hoping for a return that can someday replace the twins all in the mean while hope that Lack or another goalie can take over in 5 years when luo retires is one huge gamble.

Again it still make no sense to me.

Edited by ForsbergTheGreat, 18 April 2013 - 02:28 PM.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 07:53 PM

4 goals against so far in Dallas. Schneider amazing stretch is over and I fear that if Schneider is "the guy" come playoff time, the Canucks will have a very early summer.

Depleted roster or not.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 02:03 AM

4 goals against so far in Dallas. Schneider amazing stretch is over and I fear that if Schneider is "the guy" come playoff time, the Canucks will have a very early summer.

Depleted roster or not.

:picard: Maybe pay attention to how the defense is playing, maybe (although doubtful) that will change your perspective.

Edited by Derek Roy, 19 April 2013 - 02:04 AM.

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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 07:45 AM

Did you pull the 7 million out of your hat or arse? Just wondering?


Just how much do you think Schneider will ask for then?
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 07:48 AM

:picard: Maybe pay attention to how the defense is playing, maybe (although doubtful) that will change your perspective.


Of course this is a an excellent excuse for Schneider but for Luongo, losing Hamhuis and having an Injured Salo and Ehrhoff while
Losing Rome to a historical high four game suspension is not good enough.

Deplorable.

Edited by Canucks_Hockey_101, 19 April 2013 - 11:52 AM.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 08:05 AM

Just how much do you think Schneider will ask for then?

The guy who wrote that number didn't offer an opinion, he just said, Schneider will ask for 7 million, as if he knew and based his arguments on that assumption. The cap will restrict remunerations, contracts teams have committed to will dictate how much teams can pay. Contracts like Bryz, Luongo etc will scare teams from huge and long term contracts for goaltenders. What he will ask for is anyones guess but 5 might be a more realistic number. I expect Canucks to extend his contract and believe Schneids will remain a Canuck and take less to do so.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 08:32 AM

The guy who wrote that number didn't offer an opinion, he just said, Schneider will ask for 7 million, as if he knew and based his arguments on that assumption. The cap will restrict remunerations, contracts teams have committed to will dictate how much teams can pay. Contracts like Bryz, Luongo etc will scare teams from huge and long term contracts for goaltenders. What he will ask for is anyones guess but 5 might be a more realistic number. I expect Canucks to extend his contract and believe Schneids will remain a Canuck and take less to do so.


First of all, saying 7 million IS an opinion. Second, if you think Schneider will sign for 5, you're going to see Schneider sign somewhere else. Third, since long term differed contracts are no more, expect actual price and cap hit to raise drastically.

7 million per year might just be realistic come 2015.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 08:49 AM

The guy who wrote that number didn't offer an opinion, he just said, Schneider will ask for 7 million, as if he knew and based his arguments on that assumption. The cap will restrict remunerations, contracts teams have committed to will dictate how much teams can pay. Contracts like Bryz, Luongo etc will scare teams from huge and long term contracts for goaltenders. What he will ask for is anyones guess but 5 might be a more realistic number. I expect Canucks to extend his contract and believe Schneids will remain a Canuck and take less to do so.


Howard signed an extension with DET for $5.3M per year for 6 years. I think we can all say that Schneider is better than Howard. In 2yrs time, I think the salary cap will go up (as past history tells us it will). So in my opinion, the minimum will be $6M/year for Schneider to re-sign with Nucks (that already includes taking less than what he could) provided he becomes the #1 elite goal-tender everyone projects him to be.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 09:08 AM

4 goals against so far in Dallas. Schneider amazing stretch is over and I fear that if Schneider is "the guy" come playoff time, the Canucks will have a very early summer.

Depleted roster or not.


All but 1 summer was early for the Canucks when Luongo was playing, so what's your point?
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 10:48 AM

based on the logic

All but 1 summer was early for the Canucks when Luongo was playing, so what's your point?


Agreed.

What I find interesting of those who seem to have ot BASH Schnieder because they love lou is their state of delusion. here is a list of their arguments from day 1


1. Schnieder's not ready he hasn't proven he can be a starter - well he was 26 and had won at every level and alot of goalies get shots at being number 1 well before that (around 20, 21 yrs of age), ie Lou did. Here's some more. Fleury, Price, Ward, Broduer, Roy, on and on).

2. They dont look at both goalie's stats, and when you force them to, they find some data mining, revisionist arguments to suggest that Schnieder's stats as a Canuck have not been as good or more often than not better than Lou's both in regular season and playoffs.

3. They suggest well he can't carry us in the playoffs, even when his stats (while limited) say otherwise, as does his play, and he can't really prove it till he's given the rope right? thats what's happening this year, contrary to their delusions

4. They suggest when the team hangs him out to dry, even though he was on pace to be top 3 in every category in the NHL for starters prior to yesterday, that he's not good - hmm would they say that about rask? lundqvuist? lol...

5. They ignore the FACT that Lou effectively asked for a trade after being pulled last year vs LA, continually suggest we might trade Schnieder - again delusion

6. They ignore the FACT that Lou said he'd redo his contract if it meant he could be moved. Some how this translates into he's not being traded? Not sure how they see that but whatever

7. They ignore the fact that the man was defeated, almost crying because he WASN'T traded from this city. Ignoring the simple conclusion related to number 5 - that he has wanted out since last year.

8. They ignore the reality that you really don't want to keep a player who's mentally checked out of the city. Sure he will play hard but he's waiting to go now, again they think all of a sudden he'll want to stay - its not just about playing, its about wanting out of this fishbowl.

Keep ignoring reality guys.

Edited by BuretoMogilny, 19 April 2013 - 10:51 AM.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 11:30 AM

You do realize your whole theory is based on the assumption that Cory will be demanding 7 mill.

Again it still make no sense to me.


My 'whole theory' isnt based on that . Its not a great side effect. And again, to prove my point, all you do is just pick out what you want to believe and ignore the rest.

There is utterly no value in having a conversation with someone who is unwilling to be objective about the entire situation. .
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 11:50 AM

Schneider for Brule?


You know what Brulé means? Burnt out.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:03 PM

based on the logic


Agreed.

What I find interesting of those who seem to have ot BASH Schnieder because they love lou is their state of delusion. here is a list of their arguments from day 1


1. Schnieder's not ready he hasn't proven he can be a starter - well he was 26 and had won at every level and alot of goalies get shots at being number 1 well before that (around 20, 21 yrs of age), ie Lou did. Here's some more. Fleury, Price, Ward, Broduer, Roy, on and on).

2. They dont look at both goalie's stats, and when you force them to, they find some data mining, revisionist arguments to suggest that Schnieder's stats as a Canuck have not been as good or more often than not better than Lou's both in regular season and playoffs.

3. They suggest well he can't carry us in the playoffs, even when his stats (while limited) say otherwise, as does his play, and he can't really prove it till he's given the rope right? thats what's happening this year, contrary to their delusions

4. They suggest when the team hangs him out to dry, even though he was on pace to be top 3 in every category in the NHL for starters prior to yesterday, that he's not good - hmm would they say that about rask? lundqvuist? lol...

5. They ignore the FACT that Lou effectively asked for a trade after being pulled last year vs LA, continually suggest we might trade Schnieder - again delusion

6. They ignore the FACT that Lou said he'd redo his contract if it meant he could be moved. Some how this translates into he's not being traded? Not sure how they see that but whatever

7. They ignore the fact that the man was defeated, almost crying because he WASN'T traded from this city. Ignoring the simple conclusion related to number 5 - that he has wanted out since last year.

8. They ignore the reality that you really don't want to keep a player who's mentally checked out of the city. Sure he will play hard but he's waiting to go now, again they think all of a sudden he'll want to stay - its not just about playing, its about wanting out of this fishbowl.

Keep ignoring reality guys.


You are ignoring the reality and just picking out pieces you want to believe. You arent telling the full story.

He never wanted to leave here but AV gave his job to Schneider. Schneider was supposed to be moved remember?

Luongo gets furious and demands a trade. A trade based on the fact he would be a bench warmer. Not because he hates the city. He says its time to move on. Why/ Because he hates the city? No. Its because he no longer has a job.

The CBA changes and now his trade value is zero. He now says he will do anything to help the team win. Thats par for the course.

If Gillis trades Schneider, is Luongo going to cry a river and still demand a trade? Not a chance. He will be our goalie and explain the very obvious like I am explaining it to you.

Now, to be fair...........would he go play in Florida if he had the chance (and their teams had a real chance at a cup /) ? Probably. Its where his wifes family is from.

But we all know it aint happening . So Luongo still wants to go ANYWHERE ? Wrong. He just wants to be a starter while he still has the time left in his career. Its got nothing to do with bolting from Vancouver

So it aint delusion to trade Schneider. Not at all.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:09 PM

You are ignoring the reality and just picking out pieces you want to believe. You arent telling the full story.

He never wanted to leave here but AV gave his job to Schneider. Schneider was supposed to be moved remember?

Luongo gets furious and demands a trade. A trade based on the fact he would be a bench warmer. Not because he hates the city. He says its time to move on. Why/ Because he hates the city? No. Its because he no longer has a job.

The CBA changes and now his trade value is zero. He now says he will do anything to help the team win. Thats par for the course.

If Gillis trades Schneider, is Luongo going to cry a river and still demand a trade? Not a chance. He will be our goalie and explain the very obvious like I am explaining it to you.

Now, to be fair...........would he go play in Florida if he had the chance (and their teams had a real chance at a cup /) ? Probably. Its where his wifes family is from.

But we all know it aint happening . So Luongo still wants to go ANYWHERE ? Wrong. He just wants to be a starter while he still has the time left in his career. Its got nothing to do with bolting from Vancouver

So it aint delusion to trade Schneider. Not at all.


keep telling yourself that and thank you for proving my point...ignoring reality you say? hmm


"AV GAVE his job to Schnieder"

you see the bold comment, this is the delusion I speak of. No one gives a job of a 6 million dollar goalie away - he loses it.

now go splash some cold water on your face and wake up

Edited by BuretoMogilny, 19 April 2013 - 12:20 PM.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:51 PM

My 'whole theory' isnt based on that . Its not a great side effect. And again, to prove my point, all you do is just pick out what you want to believe and ignore the rest.

There is utterly no value in having a conversation with someone who is unwilling to be objective about the entire situation. .


My thoughts exactly.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 01:00 PM

keep telling yourself that and thank you for proving my point...ignoring reality you say? hmm


"AV GAVE his job to Schnieder"

you see the bold comment, this is the delusion I speak of. No one gives a job of a 6 million dollar goalie away - he loses it.

now go splash some cold water on your face and wake up


Your post again picks out one item with tweezers and ignores the other 99% of the information.

I understand your frustration as you are now using personal insults. Its a sure sign you are losing the argument.
If you are willing to calm down a bit, and just look at all the facts, then I am sure you will see it.

Luongo would have no problem staying here if Schneider was traded.
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