Sedins plan to stay in Vancouver with the Canucks

[BedBeats™2.0]

The romantic Canuck fan in me melodramatically feels its important that they stay.

The team is sliding into rebuilding on the fly. The last this happened was with the WCE, when the Twins were young.

There was a really cool thread in the Gen.Hockey forum about which NHL teams users thought had the most rich/lasting culture. Its pretty easy to pick out teams that have that. There are even a few teams who are Cupless, but have had a good string of owners that stick to creating a total culture for their team.

Before Messier, and in short bursts in the 90s and '82, the team has always been in flux. Changing jerseys, having good rosters, only to be dismantled by mismanagement. Theres no connective stable history.

The Sedins, who are arguably the best players the Canucks have ever had, bridge Naslund-Linden-Smyl for being great Canucks.

That is culture. To have drafted and developed superstars stay here and foster a new era and hopefully retire a Canuck would be fantastic.

[dman34]

These guys are pure class but if we want to win a cup in Vancouver during their tenure they need to take second line loot so we can build a great supporting cast around them.

I guess whether they'll do that or not remains to be seen.

[Kesler's Nose]

I hope we either get a superstar in the near future to play with them or one to play with Kes. Nice to see them stay dedicated to the team and the city, if they say so I believe it.. There's no way they would play games with people, they sure are "one" of a kind.

[Lifer]

A question to Canucks fans:

It has been reported that the Sedin's and their agent have decided to get serious about contract extension negotiations with the Vancouver Canucks. After 13 years…should the Canucks extend the partnership between themselves and the twins or is it time to start thinking about parting ways? Think about Hank and Danny's legacy. How will these two be remembered by their fans and critics after they are finished playing here in Vancouver?

When you think about the legacy of great hockey players from the past and the present, it is the players' performances in the most meaningful games that define how they are remembered. The successes, the failures, the sacrifices, and the willingness to leave everything physically and mentally on the ice. Players who get even better when competition is at it's highest level are recognized as timeless heroes for achieving greatness, if even just for a brief moment in time.

The great Bobby Orr is an example of one player being so much better than all of the other players on the ice that he was single handedly able to affect the outcome of games and playoff series'. This is why we remember the greats, this is why we watch the game. When a player is so incredible that he amazes everyone watching he is etched in the memories of fans and is glorified by the media. This is what is remembered after the games are over, this is the realm of greatness.

For the Canucks, it's performances like Trevor Linden in the 94 run to the cup final. Ryan Kessler vs the Predators in 2011. Louongo vs Dallas 2007. Individuals giving performances night after night that seemingly will their teams to win. Greatness is also captured in moments like Burrows scoring to beat Chicago in game 7 overtime 2011, "slaying the dragon". "The save" by goalie Kirk McLean. Or Bure's or Adams' or Bieksa's big overtime winners.

How do the Sedins line up in terms of greatness? In Vancouver, we have been watching these two players skate more than any others excluding the goaltenders if you count ice time. There is no question that combined, these players have displayed an awesome ability to be mesmerizing to opposition defences. They have unbelievable hand eye coordination and playmaking capabilities. They are at times able to control the pace of a game and have been able to accumulate incredible point totals in the regular season winning the team and themselves personally accolades and awards.

But something has always stood out more than any achievement when it comes to these two players. That is their combined inability to be effective when it matters the most. I may not be the greatest NHL historian but can anyone tell me the last time either of the Sedin brothers had one moment of true greatness? Not a dazzling play in the regular season, or a tic tac toe power play marker, but a truly meaningful play. There is Henirk's quadruple overtime winner vs Dallas in 2007 that Daniel assisted on. Daniels series winning goal vs the Kings in game six, 2011. Or maybe Henrik's 4 assists in game 4 vs the Sharks in 2011. Having played a combined total of 195 playoff games between the two of them, there aren't many shining moments.

What is more memorable to most fans is the all time no shows when the team has needed them the most. From the huge ones like Henrik netting only one garbage goal and no assists in the seven game cup final series vs the Bruins in 2011 and Daniel only scoring one goal and 3 assists. Both players scored -4 with zero points in the seventh and deciding game helping the team blow a series lead and lose a cup. To the much smaller situations, like how they have become unreliable when closing out close games. Earlier in their careers they were relied upon but lost the coaches' confidence. Versus the Sharks in the playoffs at the end of last season where Henrik for reasons unknown, instead of clearing the puck straight out of the zone or up the boards when the puck was on his forehand coming out of his own corner, elected to serve one up the middle to a streaking Shark who made a play to tie the game. It killed any chance Vancouver had of gaining any momentum in the series.

When you look at Henrik and Daniel's playoff performances, over all, they have been liabilities to the Canucks year in and year out. They're career playoff plus minus numbers are -15 and -11 respectively. Which out of the top 30 point getters for the Canucks all time in the playoffs is rivalled in mediocrity by only Ehrhoff at -14, Salo -10, and Naslund -9.

Most people consider Linden to be the greatest Canuck of all time and the numbers prove why, 95 points in 118 playoff games, +10, 15 power play goals, 3 short handed, and 5 game winners. Why I think that Bure is still such a fan favourite and deserves to have his number retired despite his messy and premature departure from the organization is for going more than a point a game with 66 points in 60 playoff games, +11, with 5 power play goals, 2 short handed, and 3 game winners.

Henrik, 74 points in 99 games played. Daniel, 67 points in 96 games played.

Let's look at some comparable players to see how playoff numbers relate to a players legacy.

Crosby, 105 points in 82 games played, +16. Higher payroll yes but we are talking first line players, or are we? Zetterberg, 114 points in 123 games +41 Makes slightly less. Alfredsson, 100 points in 121 games, +1, makes less. Lucic, 54 points in 84 games, +37, makes the same. Maybe the closest player all time in points per games played would be Wendel Clark with 69 points in 95 games played but Clark is still a +2 and is considered a much better playoff contributor.

The point is, what you do as an individual in the playoffs defines your legacy as an NHL player. Especially for the local fans of your team and especially if you play a large part of your career in one market. Over time, statistics like plus minus don't lie. Is this player a contributor or a liability? The Sedin brothers are incredibly talented hockey players and have done a lot for the city of Vancouver outside of the hockey rink. I think that they are exemplary human beings and should be treated with great respect and gratitude. If I were a parent I would want my kids to look up to these guys as role models. But that's not why I watch hockey.

I want to believe that any management group now or in the future has the honest intention of building a cup winning team. I also want to believe that they realize what type of player is needed to get fans to believe in their team. It is often the type of player that entices fans to form a bond with a team, an identity, and a connection. This is why I believe that most fans look at the 94 team as heroes that came close and the 2011 team as a group of players that never really stacked up against the best physically and simply weren't skilled enough to score when they needed to.

Isn't it time to relieve a significant percentage of this fan base's frustration? The ones who have believed since the first time that they saw the Sedin's play, that these remarkable and unique players would most likely never lead a team to a cup win. Who cheer them on but have never been able to connect with these players. The numbers show that very good defensive teams are able to completely shut the Sedins down in the post season year after year.

Personally, I believe that with the parody we see in the league today that any team with two top six forwards who are only capable of contributing positively in the post season on the power play's chances off winning are slim to none. Which is really the only area where the Sedins have ever had any level of success with 9 and 10 goals. They do have 4 and 5 game winners but I have a difficult time recalling more than one or two occasions where either one of these two players really came through in the clutch 5 on 5, down by one late in the third, or in overtime in the playoffs unless they had a man advantage. They rank 9 and 10 on my personal list of all time Canucks players, after Greg Adams and Alex Burrows (11th and 12th if you count goaltenders).

It seems that with more and more physical teams barring the door these days, that low scoring one goal playoff games are decided in the last few minutes of the 3rd and in overtime. The teams who excel have players who are dominant, who are able to contain their remarkable strength and nastiness so as not to take too many penalties until the refs swallow their whistles and then when the play becomes ultra aggressive they get even better. The Sedin's just aren't either made up or willing to do what it takes to win playing that type of NHL playoff hockey. I'm not saying that they don't want to win and I'm not suggesting that they don't give it everything they've got, but not everyone is built to ride bulls, perform life saving surgery, or be an astronaut. Sometimes in life there is no police man or referee to save your bacon, it's just you. As fans, this is the pinnacle of competition in the sport that we love! Even some of the best just aren't quite good enough when it counts, even though they try their hardest. That's life. That's been the last 13 years.

Maybe the Canucks should give their fans some respect and embrace what and where they are realistically as an organization. At the end of a veteran group of players' career peak, with a void of young players that is only starting to be refilled. Would it be wrong to celebrate the Sedin's last season with the team even if they intended to continue to play elsewhere afterwards? I don't mean honour them for leaving, but recognize them as special players over the course of the season and then let them move on. The current management group seems to love these ring of honour type ceremonies. This is a year to let Bo Horvat have a big year in junior hockey with the London Knights, a Memorial Cup, and Canadian World Juniors experience, learning to be a leader. While the Canucks honour the old guard, and welcome a long awaited new era in Vancouver. Sorry, I'm dreaming again.

Would it not be the best and most logical option to take this opportunity to move away from an image of failure and start to create something fresh and exciting? I am not familiar with the logic that over achieving in the leagues weakest division for several years only to loose out early in the playoffs as being considered successful. I'm not saying that the Canucks haven't been a good team, but at no time have I ever considered them a favourite for a cup, or even a legitimate top two contender. How many Art Ross points and president trophy's came thanks to playing the Oilers, Flames, Wild, and Avalanche while they were some of the NHL's worst teams. The success' that this team has enjoyed over the last decade are in the owner's bank accounts thanks to the loyal paying fans through TV contracts tickets and all other sales.

Isn't it interesting that the current management group can thank the previous 2 GM's for drafting and trading for the core group of players, starting with the Sedin twins, who have contributed greatly to the teams financial success. Despite re-signing nearly all of the players they have inherited, Gillis' group has seemingly never been able to complement this core, but have flogged them to the paying customer as "good enough" and worth paying some of the highest dollar values in the league to watch for the last 3 years. After telling the fan base that this team wasn't "good enough" 5 years ago when they took over?!? Well if it ain't broke don't fix it eh? The money pours in with these two up front regardless of weather we contend or not. Until the fans demand something different, why would anyone change a thing?

Is it not time that this franchise should start selling something with new possibilities? Something with untapped potential? Have we not watched the same horse get around the track enough times in a loosing effort? Is it not time to look for the next generation? Is the product not stale enough as it is? Are you not sick of watching the same 2 guys play give and go and get smushed against the boards year after year? Is it not detrimental to a players reputation to repeatedly publicize that they are capable of achieving goals that they simply cannot live up to? Have you not seen this management group drop the ball enough times in a row to point to the bench already? How's the Louongo situation going these days, aren't these guys cap specialists who are all knowing when it comes to business and contracts? Sorry, too far?

My suggestion is a complete overhaul starting with the entire management group ASAP! Evaluate the players who you think would be good veteran influences and can protect young players. Ones who are willing to stick around for the chance at a meaningful cup in a supporting role in 3-5 years or who can be traded to a contender when the time is right, then deal or ditch the big contracts, Louongo, and the Sedins.

Do it right, get some real team builders in here as management. Not the arrogant, directionless wing nuts who have been ruining this team's chances of winning since they named Louongo captain and signed Mats Sundin. This team needs hockey men who are inside the circle of influence and power within the NHL's fraternity of General Managers who can scout, draft, and know how to get value through trading players for picks and blue chip prospects. Men who know what it takes to build a winning team from the ground up.

Much like the Sedins, Gillis has proven he just doesn't have what it takes to get it done in todays NHL. Look at the shape the team is in now after being under his management for the last 5 years. Shouldn't every fan be asking themselves: Do we really want to keep doing this? Does it even make sense anymore? To quote Einstein, "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

What do you want Canucks fans? Corporate success and boring losing hockey? Or, exciting hockey and a chance to grow with a group of young players. A possibility of one day cheering for a cup winner.

Why drag out the inevitable? Who wants to continue this cycle, for how many more years? The quicker you focus on the goal the quicker you can get there. The time is now, seize the moment, embrace the change! Go Canucks!

I am interested to know what other fans think. Please let me know! I'm sure you will

[elvis15]

That is the longest first post ever. Not bad content but you've got to be more concise (something I have trouble with myself) when posting in a forum like this or people won't read it.

EDIT: And I'll be honest, I didn't read it either. I started to but I wasn't sure what your point was, and even then I had the impression you liked the Sedins and were going to berate us for undervaluing them.

It wasn't until I skimmed the end that I found out you're saying we should dump the Sedins and Gillis both; the opposite of what I initially thought you were saying.

[pistolpro327]

depending on cap it'll probably be like 3-4 year contracts for at least what they're making right now.

[ThaBestPlaceOnEarth]

I'm pleased to hear that they plan to re-sign...but I'm pissed about Macintyre's garbage, negative slant in his article, what the heck is that all about? Training camp ain't even started and the media is already ripping the Canucks apart, it's awful.

[Spoosh]

It'll be somewhere around 6M per...

[aqua59]

http://www.news1130...._medium=twitter

While I think we all expected this, it's nice to hear they're looking to extend and play at least a few more years here. I welcome them back personally.

[one night]

Sedins will probably sign a four year deal $6.5 mil, 6.0, 5.5 and 5.0

[Rollieo Del Fuego]

Lifer...get a life...

[Krazy_sl]

Sedins are worth 6m 4 years. For people to say they are declining need to re think their knowledge in hockey. The last 2 seasons of "declining" Kesler had 2 injury riddled seasons. Last Season we were with out a second line for nearly the full season, Top D from opposing teams night in ,night out with no fear of secondary scoring. Much of the same for the season before. Also add the fact that they have played with Burrows for the last 4 years, with no disrespect to burrows but give them a 1st line star winger and watch them put up 100 pts. Kesler back to playing 100% will add pts on the PP and 5on5 aswell.

[Canuck Surfer]

A question to Canucks fans:

It has been reported that the Sedin's and their agent have decided to get serious about contract extension negotiations with the Vancouver Canucks. After 13 years…should the Canucks extend the partnership between themselves and the twins or is it time to start thinking about parting ways? Think about Hank and Danny's legacy. How will these two be remembered by their fans and critics after they are finished playing here in Vancouver?

When you think about the legacy of great hockey players from the past and the present, it is the players' performances in the most meaningful games that define how they are remembered. The successes, the failures, the sacrifices, and the willingness to leave everything physically and mentally on the ice. Players who get even better when competition is at it's highest level are recognized as timeless heroes for achieving greatness, if even just for a brief moment in time.

The great Bobby Orr is an example of one player being so much better than all of the other players on the ice that he was single handedly able to affect the outcome of games and playoff series'. This is why we remember the greats, this is why we watch the game. When a player is so incredible that he amazes everyone watching he is etched in the memories of fans and is glorified by the media. This is what is remembered after the games are over, this is the realm of greatness.

For the Canucks, it's performances like Trevor Linden in the 94 run to the cup final. Ryan Kessler vs the Predators in 2011. Louongo vs Dallas 2007. Individuals giving performances night after night that seemingly will their teams to win. Greatness is also captured in moments like Burrows scoring to beat Chicago in game 7 overtime 2011, "slaying the dragon". "The save" by goalie Kirk McLean. Or Bure's or Adams' or Bieksa's big overtime winners.

How do the Sedins line up in terms of greatness? In Vancouver, we have been watching these two players skate more than any others excluding the goaltenders if you count ice time. There is no question that combined, these players have displayed an awesome ability to be mesmerizing to opposition defences. They have unbelievable hand eye coordination and playmaking capabilities. They are at times able to control the pace of a game and have been able to accumulate incredible point totals in the regular season winning the team and themselves personally accolades and awards.

But something has always stood out more than any achievement when it comes to these two players. That is their combined inability to be effective when it matters the most. I may not be the greatest NHL historian but can anyone tell me the last time either of the Sedin brothers had one moment of true greatness? Not a dazzling play in the regular season, or a tic tac toe power play marker, but a truly meaningful play. There is Henirk's quadruple overtime winner vs Dallas in 2007 that Daniel assisted on. Daniels series winning goal vs the Kings in game six, 2011. Or maybe Henrik's 4 assists in game 4 vs the Sharks in 2011. Having played a combined total of 195 playoff games between the two of them, there aren't many shining moments.

What is more memorable to most fans is the all time no shows when the team has needed them the most. From the huge ones like Henrik netting only one garbage goal and no assists in the seven game cup final series vs the Bruins in 2011 and Daniel only scoring one goal and 3 assists. Both players scored -4 with zero points in the seventh and deciding game helping the team blow a series lead and lose a cup. To the much smaller situations, like how they have become unreliable when closing out close games. Earlier in their careers they were relied upon but lost the coaches' confidence. Versus the Sharks in the playoffs at the end of last season where Henrik for reasons unknown, instead of clearing the puck straight out of the zone or up the boards when the puck was on his forehand coming out of his own corner, elected to serve one up the middle to a streaking Shark who made a play to tie the game. It killed any chance Vancouver had of gaining any momentum in the series.

When you look at Henrik and Daniel's playoff performances, over all, they have been liabilities to the Canucks year in and year out. They're career playoff plus minus numbers are -15 and -11 respectively. Which out of the top 30 point getters for the Canucks all time in the playoffs is rivalled in mediocrity by only Ehrhoff at -14, Salo -10, and Naslund -9.

Most people consider Linden to be the greatest Canuck of all time and the numbers prove why, 95 points in 118 playoff games, +10, 15 power play goals, 3 short handed, and 5 game winners. Why I think that Bure is still such a fan favourite and deserves to have his number retired despite his messy and premature departure from the organization is for going more than a point a game with 66 points in 60 playoff games, +11, with 5 power play goals, 2 short handed, and 3 game winners.

Henrik, 74 points in 99 games played. Daniel, 67 points in 96 games played.

Let's look at some comparable players to see how playoff numbers relate to a players legacy.

Crosby, 105 points in 82 games played, +16. Higher payroll yes but we are talking first line players, or are we? Zetterberg, 114 points in 123 games +41 Makes slightly less. Alfredsson, 100 points in 121 games, +1, makes less. Lucic, 54 points in 84 games, +37, makes the same. Maybe the closest player all time in points per games played would be Wendel Clark with 69 points in 95 games played but Clark is still a +2 and is considered a much better playoff contributor.

The point is, what you do as an individual in the playoffs defines your legacy as an NHL player. Especially for the local fans of your team and especially if you play a large part of your career in one market. Over time, statistics like plus minus don't lie. Is this player a contributor or a liability? The Sedin brothers are incredibly talented hockey players and have done a lot for the city of Vancouver outside of the hockey rink. I think that they are exemplary human beings and should be treated with great respect and gratitude. If I were a parent I would want my kids to look up to these guys as role models. But that's not why I watch hockey.

I want to believe that any management group now or in the future has the honest intention of building a cup winning team. I also want to believe that they realize what type of player is needed to get fans to believe in their team. It is often the type of player that entices fans to form a bond with a team, an identity, and a connection. This is why I believe that most fans look at the 94 team as heroes that came close and the 2011 team as a group of players that never really stacked up against the best physically and simply weren't skilled enough to score when they needed to.

Isn't it time to relieve a significant percentage of this fan base's frustration? The ones who have believed since the first time that they saw the Sedin's play, that these remarkable and unique players would most likely never lead a team to a cup win. Who cheer them on but have never been able to connect with these players. The numbers show that very good defensive teams are able to completely shut the Sedins down in the post season year after year.

Personally, I believe that with the parody we see in the league today that any team with two top six forwards who are only capable of contributing positively in the post season on the power play's chances off winning are slim to none. Which is really the only area where the Sedins have ever had any level of success with 9 and 10 goals. They do have 4 and 5 game winners but I have a difficult time recalling more than one or two occasions where either one of these two players really came through in the clutch 5 on 5, down by one late in the third, or in overtime in the playoffs unless they had a man advantage. They rank 9 and 10 on my personal list of all time Canucks players, after Greg Adams and Alex Burrows (11th and 12th if you count goaltenders).

It seems that with more and more physical teams barring the door these days, that low scoring one goal playoff games are decided in the last few minutes of the 3rd and in overtime. The teams who excel have players who are dominant, who are able to contain their remarkable strength and nastiness so as not to take too many penalties until the refs swallow their whistles and then when the play becomes ultra aggressive they get even better. The Sedin's just aren't either made up or willing to do what it takes to win playing that type of NHL playoff hockey. I'm not saying that they don't want to win and I'm not suggesting that they don't give it everything they've got, but not everyone is built to ride bulls, perform life saving surgery, or be an astronaut. Sometimes in life there is no police man or referee to save your bacon, it's just you. As fans, this is the pinnacle of competition in the sport that we love! Even some of the best just aren't quite good enough when it counts, even though they try their hardest. That's life. That's been the last 13 years.

Maybe the Canucks should give their fans some respect and embrace what and where they are realistically as an organization. At the end of a veteran group of players' career peak, with a void of young players that is only starting to be refilled. Would it be wrong to celebrate the Sedin's last season with the team even if they intended to continue to play elsewhere afterwards? I don't mean honour them for leaving, but recognize them as special players over the course of the season and then let them move on. The current management group seems to love these ring of honour type ceremonies. This is a year to let Bo Horvat have a big year in junior hockey with the London Knights, a Memorial Cup, and Canadian World Juniors experience, learning to be a leader. While the Canucks honour the old guard, and welcome a long awaited new era in Vancouver. Sorry, I'm dreaming again.

Would it not be the best and most logical option to take this opportunity to move away from an image of failure and start to create something fresh and exciting? I am not familiar with the logic that over achieving in the leagues weakest division for several years only to loose out early in the playoffs as being considered successful. I'm not saying that the Canucks haven't been a good team, but at no time have I ever considered them a favourite for a cup, or even a legitimate top two contender. How many Art Ross points and president trophy's came thanks to playing the Oilers, Flames, Wild, and Avalanche while they were some of the NHL's worst teams. The success' that this team has enjoyed over the last decade are in the owner's bank accounts thanks to the loyal paying fans through TV contracts tickets and all other sales.

Isn't it interesting that the current management group can thank the previous 2 GM's for drafting and trading for the core group of players, starting with the Sedin twins, who have contributed greatly to the teams financial success. Despite re-signing nearly all of the players they have inherited, Gillis' group has seemingly never been able to complement this core, but have flogged them to the paying customer as "good enough" and worth paying some of the highest dollar values in the league to watch for the last 3 years. After telling the fan base that this team wasn't "good enough" 5 years ago when they took over?!? Well if it ain't broke don't fix it eh? The money pours in with these two up front regardless of weather we contend or not. Until the fans demand something different, why would anyone change a thing?

Is it not time that this franchise should start selling something with new possibilities? Something with untapped potential? Have we not watched the same horse get around the track enough times in a loosing effort? Is it not time to look for the next generation? Is the product not stale enough as it is? Are you not sick of watching the same 2 guys play give and go and get smushed against the boards year after year? Is it not detrimental to a players reputation to repeatedly publicize that they are capable of achieving goals that they simply cannot live up to? Have you not seen this management group drop the ball enough times in a row to point to the bench already? How's the Louongo situation going these days, aren't these guys cap specialists who are all knowing when it comes to business and contracts? Sorry, too far?

My suggestion is a complete overhaul starting with the entire management group ASAP! Evaluate the players who you think would be good veteran influences and can protect young players. Ones who are willing to stick around for the chance at a meaningful cup in a supporting role in 3-5 years or who can be traded to a contender when the time is right, then deal or ditch the big contracts, Louongo, and the Sedins.

Do it right, get some real team builders in here as management. Not the arrogant, directionless wing nuts who have been ruining this team's chances of winning since they named Louongo captain and signed Mats Sundin. This team needs hockey men who are inside the circle of influence and power within the NHL's fraternity of General Managers who can scout, draft, and know how to get value through trading players for picks and blue chip prospects. Men who know what it takes to build a winning team from the ground up.

Much like the Sedins, Gillis has proven he just doesn't have what it takes to get it done in todays NHL. Look at the shape the team is in now after being under his management for the last 5 years. Shouldn't every fan be asking themselves: Do we really want to keep doing this? Does it even make sense anymore? To quote Einstein, "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

What do you want Canucks fans? Corporate success and boring losing hockey? Or, exciting hockey and a chance to grow with a group of young players. A possibility of one day cheering for a cup winner.

Why drag out the inevitable? Who wants to continue this cycle, for how many more years? The quicker you focus on the goal the quicker you can get there. The time is now, seize the moment, embrace the change! Go Canucks!

I am interested to know what other fans think. Please let me know! I'm sure you will

[Mcfly]

I am sure beyond sure that the both of them will sign for about $5 million+ knowing the cap is going up fast and that a 3-4 year term will see them through retirement.

Taking that paycut will show the youth coming in they're team players this is a team mentality and it will help the team bring in top end talent for them to play with. Every dollar helps.

[roland]

Not great at the whole signing process, but I'm thinking 5.5-5.8M for 3 years is about right.

[dman34]

I'd like to see 20 million each over 4 years. 5 million cap hit.

With the cap going up this will give us some wiggle room to fit in some additional scoring for our top two lines and if the Sedins decline somewhat they'd still look great fronting our second line in year 3 and 4 of the deal for 10 million bucks.

[Jetliner]

they're not going to make anything less than 6.1 after winning the Hart and Art Ross in the last previous years. 6.5 x 4 years

[Lafayette off the post]

I would like to see a 3 year deal at 5 per. I know people are saying no need for a pay cut,,,,well there is a great ufa crop next year so that is a reason. maybe winning a cup should come first. they will need that if the want to get in to the HOF. they would also be gods in van for life if they captained the team to a cup so those sound like good reasons to me. no?

[falcon45ca]

no need for a pay cut.

[DownUndaCanuck]

The fan in me says to give them whatever they want. 6M is very manageable, but they'll be declining soon.

If I was GM I'd let them play out this season and re-sign them based on their production. These last 2 seasons they've both been below a point per game so seem to be on the down-swing. If they score at a 60-70 point pace next season they'll be worth around 5M.

3 years, 4.5-5M per is very fair for 60 point players late in their careers.